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2016 Aug 25, 9:42am 22,368 views 139 comments
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turtledove
2016 Aug 25, 9:44am
The French Riviera resort Cannes was the first to temporarily ban the burkini
Yeah... That'll solve the problem. Très bien!
OneTwo
2016 Aug 25, 9:48am
It's a stupid and pointless ban. I'd rather see burkinis than some hideous monster letting it all hang out.
turtledove
2016 Aug 25, 9:51am
It's a stupid and pointless ban. I'd rather see burkinis than some hideous monster letting it all hang out.
I was thinking the same thing... But it sounds so bitchy coming from a woman... So, I kept the thought of fatties in bikinis to myself. Who cares what they wear to the beach? That's not why ISIS does what ISIS does. Not letting them into the country, I get... Banning swimwear... not so much.
Strategist
2016 Aug 25, 9:58am
It's a stupid and pointless ban. I'd rather see burkinis than some hideous monster letting it all hang out.
I was thinking the same thing... But it sounds so bitchy coming from a woman... So, I kept the thought of fatties in bikinis to myself. Who cares what they wear to the beach? That's not why ISIS does what ISIS does. Not letting them into the country, I get... Banning swimwear... not so much.
"When in Rome, do as Roman's do" I have no desire to accommodate sharia loving women.
turtledove
2016 Aug 25, 10:03am
"When in Rome, do as Roman's do" I have no desire to accommodate sharia loving women.
You see... Now you're making me want to book a ticket to Cannes and wear a burkini to the beach just to prove a point. I'm not a Muslim. What if I just happen to like the look and want to sweat my ass off? (those things have to be toasty). Don't you find it annoying when people ignore the actual problem and instead focus intensely on irrelevant minutia?
neplusultra57
2016 Aug 25, 10:04am
The Frogs learned it from Roger Ailes. He wouldn't let the bottle-blondes cover their gams on Fox News.
Strategist
2016 Aug 25, 10:09am
You see... Now you're making me want to book a ticket to Cannes and wear a burkini to the beach just to prove a point. I'm not a Muslim. What if I just happen to like the look and want to sweat my ass off?
Dear Turtledove, the topless look will suit you better. Much cooler too.
Controversy? If you are in a different country/culture, obey the local rules and laws or get the fuck out already. Period.
Strategist
2016 Aug 25, 10:29am
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/aug/24/french-police-make-woman-remove-burkini-on-nice-beach
French police make woman remove clothing on Nice beach following burkini ban
Sharingmyintelligencewiththedumbasses
2016 Aug 25, 10:31am
If Indonesia started harassing tourists for crosses on the beaches, the same assholes on here thinking the burkini ban is a good idea would be all up in arms, and not even recognize their own hypocrisy.
Strategist
2016 Aug 25, 10:35am
Sharingmyintelligencewiththedumbasses says
If Indonesia started harassing tourists for crosses on the beaches
Saudi Arabia already does that. They throw away all non Islamic religious items at the airport. And then women are forced to wear the ugly Burkhas.
Wearing Burkhinis is a sign of sharia support. I could care less for such people.
obey the local rules and laws
But this is akin to "fashion police."
Well the reasons behind this have nothing to do with fashion. Also many pools and lakes do not allow you to go in fully clothed for different reasons. While you could make the argument that you may just be in the mood to go into the water like this your freedom is not really hampered that much by following that rule. And if this is very important to you, you may be in the wrong country/culture. Pretty much every country (including the US) has laws that don't make little sense to some, esp. outsiders, yet we all have different cultures and backgrounds and if we want to live somewhere else we have to adapt to the people's customs. You have the right to be offended or question the law, even overturn it if you engage politically, but there is nothing controversial about this at all.
Sharingmyintelligencewiththedumbasses
2016 Aug 25, 10:49am
Sharingmyintelligencewiththedumbasses says
If Indonesia started harassing tourists for crosses on the beaches
Saudi Arabia already does that. They throw away all non Islamic religious items at the airport. And then women are forced to wear the ugly Burkhas.
Wearing Burkhinis is a sign of sharia support. I could care less for such people.
And it is stupid. Or is your point that it is a good thing?
"I could care less" then care less. a lot less. The expression you twit, is "I couldn't care less"
Tenpoundbass
2016 Aug 25, 10:50am
If I were a life guard I wouldn't want to have to pull someone strugging in the water with the added burdon of their soaking wet water logged full body covered garment.
Lose flowing veils and over dresses just makes that 10times worse.
Strategist
2016 Aug 25, 10:56am
If I were a life guard I wouldn't want to have to pull someone strugging in the water with the added burdon of their soaking wet water logged full body covered garment.
Lose flowing veils and over dresses just makes that 10times worse.
If I was a lifeguard I would let the burkhini babe sink.
Heraclitusstudent
2016 Aug 25, 12:15pm
Yes but in Quebec they have the "Burkunu"
https://lesindignesduquebec.wordpress.com/2016/08/20/recrudescence-du-burkunu/
Sharingmyintelligencewiththedumbasses
2016 Aug 25, 12:18pm
If I was a lifeguard I would let the burkhini babe sink.
If you were a human being, and not a worthless fuckstain, you wouldn't write things like this.
Please tell me you aren't a christian, you lowlife asshole.
Tenpoundbass
2016 Aug 25, 12:20pm
If I was a lifeguard I would let the burkhini babe sink.
I would too! And not because of bigotry. YOu've got a long flowing scarf and body wrap around a full body pantsuit, if any of that fabric wrapped around you it while she was thrashing and panicking it would be over.
Then if you hit her to knock her out it would be an international hate crime. Even if none of that happened, the husband on the beach would shank you and throw acid in your wifes face for disturbing the virtues of his drowning wife by grabbing her around her body near her boobies and having your junk pressed up against up against her junk.
It would just be best to let her sink. And say "I told your stupid ass, not to wear that shit!"
Rew
2016 Aug 25, 12:53pm
Controversy? If you are in a different country/culture, obey the local rules and laws or get the fuck out already. Period.
That apply to birth control and gay wedding cakes too?
Seriously, legislating on what people are wearing? Beyond basic public decency laws that seems asinine. What next? You going to tell me what I can read too?
Strategist
2016 Aug 25, 1:25pm
If I was a lifeguard I would let the burkhini babe sink.
I would too! And not because of bigotry.
I would let her sink because i'd be doing the world a favor.
neplusultra57
2016 Aug 25, 1:56pm
If I was a lifeguard I would let the burkhini babe sink.
I would too! And not because of bigotry. YOu've got a long flowing scarf and body wrap around a full body pantsuit, if any of that fabric wrapped around you it while she was thrashing and panicking it would be over.
Then if you hit her to knock her out it would be an international hate crime. Even if none of that happened, the husband on the beach would shank you and throw acid in your wifes face for disturbing the virtues of his drowning wife by grabbing her around her body near her boobies and having your junk pressed up against up against her junk.It would just be best to let her sink. And say "I told your stupid ass, not to wear that shit!"
Tell all the nuns to swim somewhere else and not to expect real Americans to save their stupid asses.
Sharingmyintelligencewiththedumbasses
2016 Aug 25, 2:10pm
Sharingmyintelligencewiththedumbasses says
Please tell me you aren't a christian
I'm an atheist.
I feel sad for you, that after all the living you've done, you are so wretched a human being. Your life must absolutely suck to leave you so bitter.
Or maybe it is just utter ignorance, living in your trash neighborhood. Perhaps if you new muslims, you wouldn't be so judgemental and full of hate.
Strategist
2016 Aug 25, 2:19pm
Sharingmyintelligencewiththedumbasses says
I'm an atheist.
I feel sad for you, that after all the living you've done, you are so wretched a human being. Your life must absolutely suck to leave you so bitter.
Actually my life is just fantastic. I have everything i could want.
I'm also a wonderful human being because I hate Islamic terrorism and sharia laws. All good humans should hate the rotten Islam. Why don't you?
Sharingmyintelligencewiththedumbasses
2016 Aug 25, 2:30pm
I hate Islamic terrorism and sharia laws.
saying you'd let a muslim women drown, simply because of an outfit gives proof to the lie ofyou being a good human.
Strategist
2016 Aug 25, 5:00pm
Sharingmyintelligencewiththedumbasses says
I hate Islamic terrorism and sharia laws.
saying you'd let a muslim women drown, simply because of an outfit gives proof to the lie ofyou being a good human.
I would not take anyone seriously on the internet.
Strategist
2016 Aug 25, 5:01pm
All good humans should hate ...
That's very Christian of you.
I'm a proud atheist. And yes, I hate the shariah laws, and so should every decent human being.
Heraclitusstudent
2016 Aug 25, 5:11pm
You see... Now you're making me want to book a ticket to Cannes and wear a burkini to the beach just to prove a point. I'm not a Muslim. What if I just happen to like the look and want to sweat my ass off? (those things have to be toasty). Don't you find it annoying when people ignore the actual problem and instead focus intensely on irrelevant minutia?
This clothing is like waving ISIS flags on your beaches. It's a political symbol of political Islam that announces to the world "Screw you westerners, we are taking over."
After what happened not far away in Nice, it's no wonder it raises eyebrows.
OneTwo
2016 Aug 25, 5:17pm
This clothing is like waving ISIS flags on your beaches. It's a political symbol of political Islam that announces to the world "Screw you westerners, we are taking over."
After what happened not far away in Nice, it's no wonder it raises eyebrows.
Is that supposed to be a joke? Women raised conservatively dressing conservatively on a beach is like waving an ISIS flag? I don't think so. Let them wear what they want to wear. It isn't a fight with any upside, and in fact, the kind of ban you're applauding actually plays into the hands of the anti-Western ISIS propagandists.
turtledove
2016 Aug 25, 5:18pm
This clothing is like waving ISIS flags on your beaches.
They've been covering up long before ISIS. It is their belief that their beauty should be something only their husband gets to see. So they cover their hair, bodies, faces... This has nothing to do with terrorism. And it's a practice that has been going on much longer than these terrorist attacks... wars... or oil interests...
Strategist
2016 Aug 25, 5:22pm
This clothing is like waving ISIS flags on your beaches.
They've been covering up long before ISIS. It is their belief that their beauty should be something only their husband gets to see. So they cover their hair, bodies, faces... This has nothing to do with terrorism. And it's a practice that has been going on much longer than these terrorist attacks... wars... or oil interests...
The ones who commit terrorism are the more conservative, shariah loving, West hating people. They are the ones most like to wear the Islamic garbs in public. Also take the example of naming a kid Osama after 911. The name has existed for a long time, but clearly indicates support for Osama Bin Laden.
turtledove
2016 Aug 25, 5:25pm
I tried looking up an image of the Islamic flag to compare the design to the burkini... And I couldn't help but notice, each flag image seems to look a little different... Like they don't really have an official flag. I can't read Arabic, but I can see when the lettering is different or words are longer/shorter. Anyway... I wonder which one is the official one. And just to confirm... None of the versions had colorful flower or paisley prints on them, as seen above in the burkini picture.
OneTwo
2016 Aug 25, 5:26pm
They've been covering up long before ISIS. It is their belief that their beauty should be something only their husband gets to see. So they cover their hair, bodies, faces... This has nothing to do with terrorism. And it's a practice that has been going on much longer than these terrorist attacks... wars... or oil interests...
Let's be quite honest, modest dress has been the norm in pretty much all Western societies for a very long time. Most Muslim women dress modestly, quite a few dress like a modest Kim Kardashian (a strangely popular role model for a lot of young women in the ME as it happens). Most (outside a couple of countries) don't wear burqas or niqabs. The majority of women do wear hijabs, but so what? It's a headscarf, a very common piece of attire in Western Europe until not that long ago.
OneTwo
2016 Aug 25, 5:29pm
Also take the example of naming a kid Osama after 911. The name has existed for a long time, but clearly indicates support for Osama Bin Laden.
You mean like naming your kid Ted shows support for Ted Bundy?
Heraclitusstudent
2016 Aug 25, 5:32pm
Is that supposed to be a joke? Women raised conservatively dressing conservatively on a beach is like waving an ISIS flag?
It's not a joke. This is a symbol of the ultra conservative culture of extreme Islam. Moderate Muslims don't dress like this.
These clothes are de facto a display of support for an ideology that resulted very recently into heaps of dead French people.
They are deliberately dressing like this to set themselves apart from regular French people. Otherwise they wouldn't even show up on a beach.
plays into the hands of the anti-Western ISIS propagandists.
Not banning this display plays into the hands of both Islamists and right wing French parties rejecting Islam as a whole.
Heraclitusstudent
2016 Aug 25, 5:33pm
They've been covering up long before ISIS.
Sorry, French beaches did not have them before ISIS.
Also traditional Muslims women simply don't go to the beach.
Sharingmyintelligencewiththedumbasses
2016 Aug 25, 6:27pm
My son Pontius Osama Mohammad Luficer Hitler Trump wears his name with pride!
OneTwo
2016 Aug 25, 6:33pm
It's not a joke. This is a symbol of the ultra conservative culture of extreme Islam. Moderate Muslims don't dress like this.
How would you know? How do 'moderate' Muslims dress when they go the beach? I spent a long time travelling around India. Hindu women are generally fully clothed when at the beach. It's called dressing modestly in a conservative society NOT 'a symbol of the ultra conservative culture of extreme Islam.'
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The French Riviera resort Cannes was the first to temporarily ban the burkini — full-body swimwear Muslim women wear at public beaches and pools — on July 28, in the wake of multiple terrorist attacks in France by Muslim extremists. Since then, 14 other French cities have imposed similar bans.
The ban drew controversy this week in response to photos showing armed police officers forcing a woman wearing leggings, a long-sleeved top and a head scarf on a beach in Nice to remove parts of her clothing.
Here are five things to know about the ban:
The burkini is technically not illegal in France
The burqa (a single piece of clothing covering the entire body from head to feet) and niqab (a full-face veil with the area around the eyes open) were prohibited in public places in France in 2011 on the grounds that they are conspicuous religious symbols. But the "burkini" — a combination of "burqa" and "bikini" — is not illegal. Cannes' temporary ban expires on Aug. 31.
On Thursday, Conseil d'État, France's highest administrative authority, was hearing a challenge to the ban by rights groups that say they amount to religious persecution and are used for political purposes. Prime Minister Manuel Valls said burkinis represent "the enslavement of women," and the ban should be handled with sensitively so as not to worsen religious tensions.
This debate isn't going away anytime soon
A decision on whether to overturn the ban is expected by the weekend, but a heated debate in France may last well into next year. Former French president Nicolas Sarkozy, who announced this week that he intends to run again in 2017, called the burkini a "provocation" that plays into the hands of Islamic extremists.
An ardent secularist, Sarkozy told French TV on Wednesday that "we don't imprison women behind fabric." Muslims, he said, must "assimilate" and shouldn't "impose their differences on the majority." If elected, Sarkozy said, he will ban every visible religious sign in French universities.
Ban on burkinis are actually good for business
The Lebanese-born, Australian woman who is credited with creating the burkini said sales of the Muslim-friendly swimwear have soared as a result of the bans and resulting publicity. Aheda Zanetti, 48, who runs a swimwear business in Sydney, told the BBC that online purchases of the full-bodied suits were up 200% since July. Zanetti said she first got the idea for the burkini after realizing that Muslim women in Australia were being left out of the country's fabled beach lifestyle. "I wanted my girls to grow up to have that freedom of choice," she told the broadcaster. "I don't care if they want to have a bikini. It's their choice." Zanetti said that Christians, Hindus, Jews and Mormons also bought the suits.
Germany faces similar situation with face veils
The debate over what Muslims can wear in public is not limited to France. A similar debate has emerged in Germany, where more than 1 million migrants arrived last year. and where a spate of recent terrorist attacks have fueled public anxiety and enhanced support for far-right groups.
German authorities are weighing partial bans on face veils in schools and universities and while driving. “It doesn’t fit in with our open society. To show one’s face is crucial for communicating, for living together in our society and keeping it together," Interior Minister Thomas de Maizière said last week. German Chancellor Angela Merkel opposes a blanket ban. France and Germany each has a Muslim population of about 5 million.
Clothing prompts questions about women's rights
Many people see the burkini ban as an assault on Muslims as well as an infringement on a woman's right to wear what she likes in public. There has been fierce condemnation online and in social media.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2016/08/25/europe-burkini-controversy-france/89325642/
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