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Rew - no.

Hillary was a much bigger risk for global conflict than Trump.

For all of Trump's flaws, he's much less ideological and far more pragmatic than Hillary and her merry band of neocons.

Hillary actually, out loud, proposed a no-fly (against Russian aircraft) zone in Syria.

The fact is that he is going to change a lot less than he promised.

In the economy he will have no effect

He will not build a wall as it is a moot point.

Where he could be useful is to repeal Dodd Frank and Obama Care

Most of all a much lower risk for war.

Dan8267 says

It's up to the Republicans to be the voice of reason. Good luck with that.

(crossing self)

freespeechforever says

Hillary was a much bigger risk for global conflict than Trump.

No. Let's be correct here. She was the standard expected conflict. You now have a wild card. Ask the higher military if they like wild card over known enemy. I shit you not, I worry for my sons now. They are in the draft target for something which could be horrible.

indigenous says

The fact is that he is going to change a lot less than he promised.

In the economy he will have no effect

He will not build a wall as it is a moot point.

Where he could be useful is to repeal Dodd Frank and Obama Care

Most of all a much lower risk for war.

I agree with all except the last. His mouth is gonna write check we cannot cash. We are about to get walked over in foreign policy. You think Clinton was bad ... watch.

Dan8267 says

This is bad because it means that Democrats can't block Trump's agenda no matter how crazy.

Come on, bro...this isn't accurate. It's not like Trump sets the laws. The biggest concern I have is Trump being the 5 star general.

freespeechforever says

Hillary actually, out loud, proposed a no-fly (against Russian aircraft) zone in Syria.

And steadfastly refused to answer if she'd shoot down a Russian Plane, on national TV.

One thing to do it to a Qaddafyi, but you don't be coy like that with a 1000s of nuclear warhead armed nation.

Wisconsin should be called by 12:45.

Even w/out Michigan, that will put Trump @ 249 electoral college votes, which takes him over 270 with addition of New Hampshire, Arizona, Iowa, etc.

Rew says

I agree with all except the last. His mouth is gonna write check we cannot cash. We are about to get walked over in foreign policy. You think Clinton was bad ... watch.

He does not appear to be a neocon. But don't know for sure

Where's HydroCabron?

Where's neplusultra57?

Where is CIC?

After this election the Democratic party leadership must resign en mass! What a failure! Even if Clinton squeaks in.

Where is puerto rico?

just any guy says

It's not like Trump sets the laws.

No. However, the veto power of the president is very strong when the two houses are close to evenly split. And the president does carry weight in pushing the party's platform.

I don't see Trump as the type of person who will submit to the will of other republicans. His ego won't allow it.

Trump is pulling further ahead in PENNSYLVANIA WITH 92% OF THE VOTE IN.

This is nothing short of a historic, wave (nay, TSUNAMI) election.

Not only is Trump getting Reagan Democrats en masse, but he's actually getting white OBAMA VOTERS.

This is a BLOOD-BATH FOR DEMOCRATS & HILLARY.

Clinton gets NV

FP says

After this election the Democratic party leadership must resign en mass! What a failure! Even if Clinton squeaks in.

She has as much chance of squeaking in as Bill had of getting that dress dry cleaned.

Dan8267 says

Bill had of getting that dress dry cleaned.

hahahahahahaha

YesYNot says

Turd sandwich. It's what's for dinner.

Nah it looks like she's going to lose

Thunderlips Russian Agent 0069 says

Where's neplusultra57?

Triggered

I love this guy's quotes from tonight on 538:

"HARRY ENTEN 12:14 AM
Trump has to be one of the oddest vehicles to prove certain theories about presidential elections incorrect. I had long thought that Democrats didn’t have a blue wall in the Electoral College. I had long thought that demographics weren’t destiny. Yet I didn’t think Trump would be the person to disprove these theories."

They should call Wisconsin now.

It's gone Trump and she can't get it back.

OK, Hillary can technically win if she wins all three of PA, WI, and MI, but that's highly unlikely.

WTF is up with the polling that misled on this?

wolf keeps going back to nevada cause he likes to see a blue win...

Massachusetts passed legal dope

indigenous says

WTF is up with the polling that misled on this?

What dipshit believed the polls?

Rockin' out to the Black Bear right now!!!
www.youtube.com/embed/7vRtlhOGsOA

junkmail says

What dipshit believed the polls?

Then what about the bookies?

My guess, quietly lurking.

indigenous says

WTF is up with the polling that misled on this?

So it does seem to actually be true that either:

1. People were just not willing to tell pollsters their true level of support for Trump because of fear of the PC police.
2. The pollsters were simply lying.

Polls are narrative devices. They are used to influence and not inform.

They weren't polls at all. It was misinformation designed to frustrate the vote. Make Trump voters seem like it was futile to vote.

Rew says

I love this guy's quotes from tonight on 538:

"HARRY ENTEN 12:14 AM

Trump has to be one of the oddest vehicles to prove certain theories about presidential elections incorrect. I had long thought that Democrats didn’t have a blue wall in the Electoral College. I had long thought that demographics weren’t destiny. Yet I didn’t think Trump would be the person to disprove these theories."

You can't take human actions as a data set, and extrapolate their future actions by plotting them on a chart

We're not so easily solved creatures.

We gamblers know the word well: Unpredictable

Trump will win Wisconsin 100%.

He's very close to winning Michigan (16 electoral college votes) and is hyper-competitive in deep blue Pennsylvania.

This is surreal.

Michael Moore warned his fellow libbies this was going to happen and they laughed in their Ivory Towers.

Oh, how they laughed.

The sad part is that the pollsters did very little to hide the fact...

Tenpoundbass says

They weren't polls at all. It was misinformation designed to frustrate the vote. Make Trump voters seem like it was futile to vote.

2. The pollsters were simply lying.

They were probably just seeing the world through their lens. The media saw a Trump candidacy as a joke. They actually laughed about it. They just assumed that their thinking was what everyone was thinking. New York Magazine already published their next issue with the cover:

Realizing despite all of this I'm still in California and this passed. Hopefully Donald puts a constructionist on the Supreme Court and there is a battle about this:

http://stoptheammograb.com/the-issue/

I think additionally you can own no more than 50 rounds of ammo per caliber. I don't currently own a gun but am planning on it due to all the releases from prison around here.

rando says

So it does seem to actually be true that either:

1. People were just not willing to tell pollsters their true level of support for Trump because of fear of the PC police.
2. The pollsters were simply lying.

3. Pollsters are incompetent