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errc says

Prove it. Why do you expect me to just take your word for it?

You claim to not even be a citizen, it's quite obvious that you know not that of which you speak. But please, prove me wrong. I would love that

Prove what? That the uninsured have worse health care than the insured? Seriously? And I'm not claiming I'm not a citizen. I'm not. I am, however, a Green Card holder and have health care insurance in the US.

Rashomon says

Prove what? That the uninsured have worse health care than the insured? Seriously? And I'm not claiming I'm not a citizen. I'm not. I am, however, a Green Card holder and have health care insurance in the US.

Welcome to America.

Prove what? That the uninsured have worse health care than the insured? Seriously?

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Yea. Seriously.

errc says

Yea. Seriously.

Let me get this clear, you think the uninsured have equally good healthcare as those who are insured. That is what you are claiming and that is what you want me to disprove? Good grief. Spoken like a true Bernie supporter.

http://kff.org/report-section/the-uninsured-a-primer-2013-4-how-does-lack-of-insurance-affect-access-to-health-care/

Yes. Because by the time most people are done paying the private health insurers, they cannot afford to pay their deductible for said healthcare. It's unaffordable.

It's quite telling that you cannot answer the simple question, though.

errc says

Yes. Because by the time most people are done paying the private health insurers, they cannot afford to pay their deductible for said healthcare. It's unaffordable.

The issue of affordability is a separate matter to whether the uninsured get as good healthcare as the insured. There's plenty of research that shows they don't.

errc says

It's quite telling that you cannot answer the simple question, though.

Eh? It's quite telling that you ignored the fact that I did answer it. I posted a link demonstrating that you're wrong FFS.

Rashomon says

errc says

It's quite telling that you cannot answer the simple question, though.

Eh? It's quite telling that you ignored the fact that I did answer it. I posted a link proving you wrong FFS.

You didn't answer my question. You did post a link, but it doesn't answer the question.

Remember rule #1: First, do no harm

http://www.thesleuthjournal.com/astounding-number-of-medical-procedures-have-no-benefit-even-harm-jama-study/

errc says

You didn't answer my question. You did post a link, but it doesn't answer the question.

Remember rule #1: First, do no harm

http://www.thesleuthjournal.com/astounding-number-of-medical-procedures-have-no-benefit-even-harm-jama-study/

What has that got to do with anything? You're just playing stupid games now.

Any quick google search shows you to be wrong. This one is for Medicaid vs private insurance:
http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2012/11/studies-show-medicaid-patients-have-worse-access-and-outcomes-than-the-privately-insured

This one for the difference coverage could make for the uninsured:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK220633/

And on and on it goes...

errc says

How does having insurance make one less poor?

Like inventory, insurance is an asset but only if used

Government equipment must be made in america.
What you hear is the clatter of our advanced manufacturing capabilities...

turtledove says

Off topic: Listening to Obama talk about meeting with Trump... What's with the dot-matrix sounding printers in the background?

They are still used in a lot of places.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dot_matrix_printing#Advantages_and_disadvantages

Legitimacy of any American government depends entirely on the perception that that government was voted in by the people. We've now had two elections where the will of the people was ignored

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How was the will of the people ignored?

Strategist says

The same could have happened to Trump. Trump won fair and square, and Hillary conceded.

A change in how we elect President's can always be debated for the future.

The Republicans have only won the popular vote once in the last 28 yrs (1988). Ironically, it was a year after they went adventuring in Iraq. This is likely to remain a big issue going forward for a number of reasons. It will only be on people's minds after an election, so there's no good time. There will probably be a lot of talk about it this cycle, because it bothers people, but also because it reminds Republicans that they may suffer in the mid-term elections. I don't expect a big stink, though.