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Heraclitusstudent says

they are derived from 7th century Arabia

Even worse, they were a subset of that culture. To the extent the Arabian peninsula ever achieved civilization, it consisted of three basic components: coastal fishing villages, inland agriculture and animal husbandry, and traders. Islam arose among an expressly barbaric population of marauding pirates, who attacked caravans and ships and conquered and raped and enslaved and ransomed. Islam helped these proto-mafiosi feel good about their marauding and pillaging, encouraged their aggression, and unified them into a "stronger retrograde force" even more destructive than they had been previously.

BTW, I would have Liked your comment, but couldn't because I remember Romnesia's Moronic cult coming to California crusading on behalf of Prop H8. They were shouting in San Francisco, and going door-to-door spreading lies statewide. Romnesia's Moronic cult seems modeled partly on Islam, with the polygamy and Joseph Smith's private army resembling Mohamed, and the prohibition against alcohol. Still, even the Mountain Meadows Massacre doesn't add up to anything like the genocides committed in the name of Islam, and mendacious Morons are not nearly as bad as murderous Muslims.

Heraclitusstudent says

Sorry, I don't hear of any Mormons patrols sending people homes because they are drinking and that's bad. These Shariah patrols are not there to preach they are there to enforce what they see as morality, and if they are not using force, it is implied that they could.

You keep trying to imply things that weren't said or implied by me. I never said Muslims and Mormons are the same--only that religious folks of many denominations try to convert people and spread their dogma/morality. Why do you keep trying to find a way to disagree with that simple statement?

Heraclitusstudent says

Christianity as a religion has no ambition to concern itself with worldly power.

That's pretty funny. Perhaps you've heard of the Pope?

joeyjojojunior says

That's pretty funny. Perhaps you've heard of the Pope?

Any chance the Pope had at worldly power ended in the late 14th Century with Hus, Wycliffe, and the increasing concept of Absolute Monarchical Control over temporal matters. It was already dead when Henry VIII created the Anglican Church, and confirmed when Spain utterly ignored the Pope's authority to regulate and oversee the Inquisition.

The Spaniards didn't want the Pope involved because the plan was to strip the conversos of property, whereas the Church policy was that newly converted got additional leeway for being new to the Faith. The Spaniards wanted the money, the Church didn't want potential converts thinking they'd be scrutinized rigorously for any deviations (whereas the Inquisition only had control over the converted, so by staying UNconverted you were safe from the Inquisition)

BTW, the Spanish Inquisition lasted well into the 19th Century.

http://www.everintransit.com/inquisition-museum-lima/

"You are wrong about the meaning of the Devotion of Mary, the Compassionate Queen of Heaven, Mother of Mercy. Now I hang you for another day from the ceiling, Heretic!!!"

But the statement was that Christianity as a religion has no ambition to concern itself with worldly power. I think history pretty clearly shows that to be false.

Even now, there is a voting bloc in the US called Evangelicals that vote primarily based on religion. I think Christianity, even today, strives for political power.

joeyjojojunior says

Christianity, even today, strives for political power.

Some Americans who want power use Christianity to get it, because most Americans believe in it. Pakistanis don't generally use Christianity to get power, because that wouldn't work there; they use Islam. The difference between the doctrines is that Islam says specifically to kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, conquer and plunder, etc. Human nature is the same everywhere, but different doctrines have different consequences, some worse than others. Islam is the worst of the major current doctrines, and importing it is a dreadful mistake.

joeyjojojunior says

Even now, there is a voting bloc in the US called Evangelicals that vote primarily based on religion. I think Christianity, even today, strives for political power.

There is a difference between a voting block pushing for their preferences within a democratic secular regime (and facing an opposition) and a theocracy where laws are derived from religious dogmas, and people are punished, sometime killed, for their beliefs or what they say, and there is no opposition because who is opposed to the rule written by God.
You don't seem to take that difference into account. It's not all the same.

Heraclitusstudent says

here is a difference between a voting block pushing for their preferences within a democratic secular regime (and facing an opposition) and a theocracy where laws are derived from religious dogmas, and people are punished, sometime killed, for their beliefs or what they say, and there is no opposition because who is opposed to the rule written by God.

You don't seem to take that difference into account. It's not all the same.

So, me saying this above:

joeyjojojunior says

I never said Muslims and Mormons are the same--only that religious folks of many denominations try to convert people and spread their dogma/morality

somehow makes you think that I believe they are the same? Nuance clearly isn't your strong suit, but I wasn't even being nuanced there. It's like you just ignore what I say, and answer what you want me to have said.

joeyjojojunior says

somehow makes you think that I believe they are the same? Nuance clearly isn't your strong suit, but I wasn't even being nuanced there. It's like you just ignore what I say, and answer what you want me to have said.

Joey, you did imply all religions are the same. All religions are not the same.
There are good religions, bad religions, and ugly religions. Islam is the ugliest of them all.

Strategist says

There are good religions, bad religions, and ugly religions.

No, there are no good religions, only bad and worse.

FP says

Strategist says

There are good religions, bad religions, and ugly religions.

No, there are no good religions, only bad and worse.

he he he

APOCALYPSEFUCK_is_ADORABLE says

This town needs Baptism Battalions, mobs with water balloons filled with holy water, running around baptizing the fuck out of everyone and their pets and handing out beers and bacon sandwiches.

Yeah especially in europe

Strategist says

Joey, you did imply all religions are the same. All religions are not the same.

There are good religions, bad religions, and ugly religions. Islam is the ugliest of them all.

OK, kindly show where I implied this.

What I did, was show how almost all religions have similar traits. Which is undeniably true. FP is correct--there are no good religions.