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There was a lot of Terror co conspirators that would have been arrested over the last 8 years, had McCaine won in 2008.

T L Lipsovich says

Noor Salman is facing charges of aiding and abetting

I was wondering what took so long to be charged/arrested. From initial accounts, it seemed like she had some involvement.

The Russians did this too?

MMR says

I was wondering what took so long to be charged/arrested.

I had wondered too, and I wonder if the election results had an effect. The Democrats were reframing the event as a lone gunman, as part of an electoral campaign for gun control. Same with San Bernardino. In reality, both attacks appeared to have been Islamic family plan conspiracies. Those facts did not suit the priorities of an administration campaigning on importing Islam, so I wonder if campaign pressure might have delayed the investigation.

Omar Mateen was raised a jihadi, Omar and wife were texting each other during the attack, and allegations his wife knew in advance were widely reported almost immediately. I suspect the dad, who supports the Taliban, might also have been involved, along with other relatives.

curious2 says

MMR says

I was wondering what took so long to be charged/arrested.

I had wondered too

They were busy investigating the Buddhist community for terrorism. You know, as per Obama anyone could have done it.

"A Muslim walks into a gay bar. The bartender asks him what he would like to drink, and he responds with "shots for everyone"."

RealEstateIsBetterThanStocks says

"A Muslim walks into a gay bar. The bartender asks him what

... are you here for?

The muslim guy said, I'm here to kill everyone.

The bartender said, "You must be crazy!"

I made up a pretty funny White Joke the other day.

This is from a black man's delivery.

"How many white people does it take to screw in a light bulb?"

"Well first of all, if you want it done cheap and right, then you need to call a black man.
Because with the white guys, you gonna have to pay for the Manager, supervisor, CEO, CFO, CIO, and the damn HR department, and they just gonna send me out anyway.
So cut out the middle men and call me. "

Strategist says

curious2 says

MMR says

I was wondering what took so long to be charged/arrested.

I had wondered too

They were busy investigating the Buddhist community for terrorism. You know, as per Obama anyone could have done it.

They forgot the Norwegians

I see she was arrested in Rodeo, CA... seriously?

"Noor Salman, Pulse shooter's widow, will stay in jail, appeals court rules
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“No condition or combination of conditions will reasonably assure her appearance or the safety of the community,” judges from the 11th Circuit U.S. Court of Appeals wrote.
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Salman was arrested in California in January. She faces charges of aiding and abetting the provision of support to a foreign terrorist organization and obstruction of justice."

Oops, I didn't see this this before I posted in the other thread.

We need a Constitutional Amendment allowing the destruction of the homes of Terrorist's Families and 20-year monitoring of their bank accounts, seizing any foreign transfers.

TwoScoopsMcGee says

We need a Constitutional Amendment allowing the destruction of the homes of Terrorist's Families and 20-year monitoring of their bank accounts, seizing any foreign transfers.

We can legislate those things without even needing a Constitutional amendment. Accessories before or after the fact, aiding and abetting a crime, attempting to profit from their own crime or as intended beneficiaries of a crime, etc.

I'm sure this inbred Islamic whore has information that can help us prevent future terrorism.
We are just too soft on terrorists and their supporters.

She Knew in Advance. Wasn't surprised when the FBI came. And yet told some other lies anyway.

The clues that suggest wife of Pulse nightclub killer KNEW he was plotting massacre: Feds reveal she volunteered that husband 'liked homosexuals' even BEFORE they revealed he had murdered 49 at gay venue
Noor Salman, 31, is due to stand trial in Orlando in March over her alleged involvement in the June 2016 shooting
Police say that she behaved 'oddly' and made remarks which proved she knew what her husband Omar Mateen had done immediately 
Among them was a written statement to the FBI in which she apologized for lying
She also told them she saw Mateen researching Pulse and that he told her it was a 'target' 
Salman was not arrested until January this year and she claims she is innocent
Her lawyers say that because she made the comments to police when she was not in custody or facing charges, they should be discounted 
They are trying to block them from being used as evidence at her March trial  

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5206009/Pulse-nightclub-shooters-wife-admitted-lying-FBI.html
Remember, she also accompanied him on bullet buying sprees. She knew, and she may have expected the Weak United States to let her inherit all his possessions.

She even asked the Police when they came to the door "Do you want to take me to Disney?" (which is also in Orlando, of course) and volunteered that "My husband liked homosexuals because they are on the side of Islam."

No Mercy - Maximum Penalty,

TwoScoopsPlissken says

as both a terrorist attack and a hate crime.

Funny that there are terrorist attacks that are not hate crimes.

TwoScoopsPlissken says

husband 'liked homosexuals'

If he was gay she probably even encouraged him to go for martyrdom...

I think she figured, hey, he's a satanic faggot, I'll be the wife of a martyr amongst the Palestinian and Muslim Community, and I'll get a house and some assets, then marry again.

Closing Arguments today.



She never said jack shit to the FBI, and then she lied right off the bat when they came to her house. Instead, she let Mateen sign over the house to her family and took jewelry.

Another Palestinian profiting off terrorism.

The case was botched from the start, first by Obama / Lynch FBI and then Trump / Sessions FBI and DoJ. It ended today in acquittal:

"Noor Salman Acquitted in Pulse Nightclub Shooting
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Late Friday, the jury foreman said in a statement to The Orlando Sentinel that the verdict did not mean jurors thought Ms. Salman was unaware of Mr. Mateen’s plans.

“On the contrary, we were convinced she did know,” the foreman told The Sentinel, asking to remain anonymous and saying he was speaking on his own behalf. “She may not have known what day, or what location, but she knew. However, we were not tasked with deciding if she was aware of a potential attack. The charges were aiding and abetting and obstruction of justice.”

And on those charges, he said, the jury was presented with “no option” but to acquit.
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In her supposed confession, Ms. Salman told F.B.I. agents that she and Mr. Mateen had scouted Pulse as a target for the June 12, 2016, attack, yet investigators apparently knew just days later that there was no evidence to corroborate that. That false statement in her confession called into question the rest of what she told law enforcement over more than 11 hours of questioning without a lawyer present. The F.B.I. made no audio or video recordings of the interview. The jury foreman told The Sentinel that he wished a recording had been available."

I have been following coverage of this attack since it happened, including Glenn Greenwald's delusional advocacy in The Intercept. Credit where it's due, Greenwald opined correctly that the government's case had fallen apart. I have linked sources elsewhere on PatNet, and I can tell you how I think it went wrong.

1) The Obama / Lynch DoJ wanted to present the attack as an episode of gun violence to support their gun control agenda. They downplayed evidence the perpetrator had a vanload of explosives which he could have used to cause similar carnage, and the fact that he was a licensed security guard including for government buildings and thus would not likely have been constrained by any gun control legislation they had proposed.

2) The Obama / Lynch DoJ and the Democratic President and Presidential nominee denied expressly the obviously Islamic connections, including motivation, even censoring the repeated references to Islamic State from the original 911 transcript. (Initial redacted and subsequent less redacted versions are both available via PatNet.) They avoided evidence of an Islamic family plan including the Afghan jihadi dad and the quitclaim deed transferring a $50k interest in a house to a sister and brother-in-law for 1% of its value. The Islamic connection would have drawn unwanted attention to why the government chose to import and employ an Afghan jihadi who supports the Taliban on YouTube and reportedly employ him as an FBI informer, and the latter fact might explain why the FBI did not arrest Omar after repeated warnings from coworkers that he was an Islamic terrorist. Seddique appeared also at a Hillary Clinton rally, featured standing right behind her holding up a sign quoting one of her supporters who had been acting DCI, all seen here on PatNet.

3) the Obama / Lynch DoJ and Islamic apologists downplayed evidence of an Islamic plan motivated by Dad Seddique's hateful Islamic anti-gay bias against his own son. The jihadi dad drove the son to jihad, and now the merry widow can raise her son to become a 3d generation jihadi born in the USA. A dozen witnesses reported seeing Omar Mateen at Pulse, several had talked with him more than once, some recounted they stopped talking to him after someone made a joke about religion and Omar pulled a knife. They described his behavior and some had interacted with him on Grindr. FBI claimed they could not substantiate that based on the phone they found on his corpse, but acknowledged he had more than one phone. He did in fact have more than one phone, and for someone trained in security as he was, it would be entirely possible and logical for him to use separate phones to maintain separate identities. Nevertheless, DoJ and Greenwald and others seized on the fact that FBI didn't find (or didn't admit finding) the Grindr phone to "prove" that Omar had been misidentified and never anywhere near Pulse. Greenwald's Intercept diatribe went on to imply Omar had never heard of Pulse and picked it as a result of it coming up as the #1 Google search result for night clubs, not mentioning specifically gay. Greenwald ignores conveniently Google search personalization, which meant Omar's #1 search result was based on which clubs he had visited or matched his interests according to Google algorithms. Greenwald stated on Democracy Now! that he has made spreading Islam his personal mission, even though he is a gay atheist of Jewish ethnicity, so Islam hates him even more than Islam hates everyone else. Somehow, in the mind of Greenwald, the FBI's botched investigation became evidence of innocence.

4) Several commenters including Greenwald and popular press emphasized that the Mateens had also visited a Disney shopping center, implying that Disney had been their first choice target, in order to downplay any Islamic anti-gay motivation. Greenwald and the popular press seemed conveniently to forget the Mateens cased the Disney shopping center during Disney's annual 'gay days' event; there was no evidence of targeting Disney at any other time of year. Disney security reportedly observed the Mateens and alerted the FBI, and the Mateens dropped Disney as a target due to security, choosing Pulse instead.

5) The Trump DoJ arrested and prosecuted, but without correcting the obvious defects from the original investigation. That was incompetence. It reflects in my opinion Sessions' distraction with prosecuting the drug war, and the FBI distraction over Russia and the Trump campaign, rather than a focus on investigating terror attacks.

The bottom line result makes western justice look weak in the eyes of Islamic jihadis, whose Islamic conspiracies hide easily in the language of a religion that commands believers to wage jihad and strike terror into the enemies of Allah. The "Weak United States" (WUS) has a powerful DoJ, but much of the federal government remains captured by Petrodollars due to Nixon's disastrous deals with Saudi Arabia. They have prevented the President from draining that particular swamp, if he was ever serious about doing so. Due to a combination of distraction, incompetence, and arrogance, an Islamic family plan has now been allowed to succeed despite proof the merry widow knew about the plan. "We have met the enemy, and he is us."

curious2 says

The case was botched from the start, first by Obama / Lynch FBI and then Trump / Sessions FBI and DoJ. It ended today in acquittal:

The FBI claims to have "no recordings" from an 11 hour interrogation:

https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=233228

curious2 says

The case was botched from the start, first by Obama / Lynch FBI and then Trump / Sessions FBI and DoJ. It ended today in acquittal:

"Noor Salman Acquitted in Pulse Nightclub Shooting
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Late Friday, the jury foreman said in a statement to The Orlando Sentinel that the verdict did not mean jurors thought Ms. Salman was unaware of Mr. Mateen’s plans.

“On the contrary, we were convinced she did know,” the foreman told The Sentinel, asking to remain anonymous and saying he was speaking on his own behalf. “She may not have known what day, or what location, but she knew. However, we were not tasked with deciding if she was aware of a potential attack. The charges were aiding and abetting and obstruction of justice.”

And on those charges, he said, the jury was presented with “no option” but to acquit.

Thanks a lot to the fucking prosecutors and jurors. They knew she was guilty of terrorism, but could not convict her. Now she will continue to endanger us, and breed future terrorists.
This is why all terror suspects need to be tried in a military court, instead of the regular courts with dumb prosecutors and loser jurors.

The least we could do was spade the bitch.

Strategist says

all terror suspects need to be tried in

Civilian courts are not the problem:

"In federal court, where terrorism defendants often accept guilty pleas before going to trial, prosecutors rarely lose cases. A report last year by the Center for National Security at Fordham University School of Law found that, while Islamic State-related cases are more likely to go to trial than federal cases in general, every case that was resolved between March 2014 and August 2017 resulted in a conviction."

This verdict resulted from a botched investigation and prosecution, including reportedly getting "caught lying to the court." Reportedly, "In front of the jury, a glaring hole in the prosecutors’ case was exposed by the questioning of FBI Special Agent Richard Fennern directly from U.S. District Judge Paul Byron. Outside the presence of the jury, the judge in angry tones made clear that he believed he had been misled for months by prosecutors about a key part of the government’s evidence...." The government had plenty of evidence and resources available, but instead of investigating and presenting an honest and winning case, chose to cut corners and present an incompetent case.

mell says

The FBI claims to have "no recordings" from an 11 hour interrogation:

Ah, like the Hillary interview.

curious2 says

The case was botched from the start, first by Obama / Lynch FBI and then Trump / Sessions FBI and DoJ. It ended today in acquittal:

Sadly this is the case. Thank you for your well thought out description of the chain of events, @Curious2.

I thought this was a slam dunk given her participation in shopping for ammo, the casing of Disney, the home and jewelry transfer to herself and family members. And I thought she confessed. But the prosecution dicked it all up.

I guess I should have figured the FBI was arrogantly inept (or worse) as usual when they lost track of her for a while. How the F**k do you not keep relations of a major terrorist under watch for years after a terror attack?

Sad Fuckin' Day. Linda Sarsour the Cockroach is probably cackling like a goddamn hen, when she isn't lying about Hamas trying their damndest to create an atrocity today.

Good news: The Iranian ObamaCash is running out, between Syria, Hezbollah, the Houthis, and Hamas.

TwoScoopsPlissken says

I thought this was a slam dunk given her participation in shopping for ammo, the casing of Disney, the home and jewelry transfer to herself and family members. And I thought she confessed. But the prosecution dicked it all up.

I was looking forward to the terrorist bitch ending up in jail, and getting fucked daily by other inmates and prison guards. :(

TwoScoopsPlissken says

Sad Fuckin' Day. Linda Sarsour the Cockroach is probably cackling like a goddamn hen, when she isn't lying about Hamas trying their damndest to create an atrocity today.

That's the worst part. Terrorist supporters like Linda Sarsour celebrating their victory is very painful to watch. :(

I just don't trust our justice system. They spend too much time and money on irrelevant nonsense, give too many rights to terrorists and criminals, and then screw up big time.
We need to import the Saudi, Chinese, and Turkey systems of providing justice. Quick, economical, and effective.

https://www.wsbtv.com/news/trending-now/pulse-survivors-sue-twitter-google-facebook-claim-companies-support-isis/727563534

Pulse survivors sue Twitter, Google, Facebook; claim companies support ISIS

"31 Orlando police officers sued over their response to Pulse nightclub massacre that left 49 dead
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A city police officer acting as a security guard didn't do his job and more than two dozen of his colleagues failed in their duties or violated the civil rights of surviving victims after the 2016 Orlando, Florida, nightclub massacre, according to a new federal lawsuit."

curious2 says

"31 Orlando police officers sued over their response to Pulse nightclub massacre that left 49 dead
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A city police officer acting as a security guard didn't do his job and more than two dozen of his colleagues failed in their duties or violated the civil rights of surviving victims after the 2016 Orlando, Florida, nightclub massacre, according to a new federal lawsuit."

Would be interesting to see how it would play out taking into account the infamous SCOTUS decision re "no duty to protect".