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patrick.net Question of Decade: Why Does Establishment Claim Russia is "Enemy"?


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2017 Jan 16, 7:29pm   13,504 views  66 comments

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Why?

How, precisely, are Russia's interests more "misaligned" to those of the United States than numerous other nations that compete with us economically (developed economies such as Germany, Japan, South Korea, etc., emerging markets of China, Mexico, India, Indonesia, etc.), or militarily (e.g. China)?

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59   MisdemeanorRebel   2017 Jan 17, 12:34pm  

Unless he becomes an ally. If the US, Europe, and Russia unite, forget about the rest of the world or the rise of the rest of the BRICs. No combination of powers could resist anything they wanted to do - and they would dominate the World Island and indeed the "Land Hemisphere" - in this case, the Northern Hemisphere where most of the world's land mass is.

60   freespeechforever   2017 Jan 17, 12:42pm  

I think your (Heraclitus) take on Russia is wrong, and that you conflate its capabilities and exaggerate Putin's desires, much the way the neocons (such as the Robert Kagans & Victoria Nulands of the world) do.

Russia is a weak-economic power that possesses significant military assets that represent a deterrent element, and with the annexation of Crimea, it's given license to the military-industrial complex and neocons to try and repackage Russia, which is a shadow of its former Soviet Union days, as an excuse to ramp up massive (well, even MOAR MASSIVE-ER) military spending to enrichment the den of filers.

War and the threat of it (often sensationalized) is a Tremendous Racket, and the most prosperous business model in history, as it inherently involves a resort to massive deficit spending via fiat currency/debt, which robs future growth from other economic sectors and taxpayers, and allows the private banks that literally represent the "central bank" to exert even more control over the levers of government.

61   Heraclitusstudent   2017 Jan 17, 12:56pm  

T L Lipsovich says

If the US, Europe, and Russia unite, forget about the rest of the world or the rise of the rest of the BRICs. No combination of powers could resist anything they wanted to do

Indeed and this is exactly why they are not allies.

62   Heraclitusstudent   2017 Jan 17, 1:02pm  

freespeechforever says

it's given license to the military-industrial complex and neocons to try and repackage Russia, which is a shadow of its former Soviet Union days, as an excuse to ramp up massive

Yes, and it's worse on Russia's side: Putin's legitimacy is attached to his success in foreign policies and the military strength of Russia. Which is why he will not stop at Crimea or Ukraine. Again I think it is a mistake to think that, if left alone, Putin will leave the west alone. He will push his weight against the US and even more against Europe. He will attempt to destabilize Europe and may well succeed considering the mess Europe is in right now.
None of it is in US interests.

63   freespeechforever   2017 Jan 17, 1:03pm  

And as if on cue, Voila:

McCain Proposes Massive $5 Trillion, 5-Year Defense Budget; Blames "Flawed Obama Defense Strategy"

*Today's Headline

64   fdhfoiehfeoi   2017 Jan 20, 9:23am  

Can anyone say McCarthyism

65   AllTruth   2017 Jan 20, 12:27pm  

Tim Aurora says

freespeechforever says

Why Does Establishment Claim Russia is "Enemy"?

Freespechforever asking why we hate Russia is an Irony. There is no free speech in Russia.

There are a lot of countries we do not need to go out of our way to have hostilities with, whether they have more, as much, or less free speech than those in the U.S. do (and free speech in the U.S. has come under pressure).

Your point is irrational.

66   MisdemeanorRebel   2017 Jan 20, 5:08pm  

Tim Aurora says

Freespechforever asking why we hate Russia is an Irony. There is no free speech in Russia.

hahahaha. Okay, pal. The Overton Window in Russia is about 1000% bigger than the USA. You can say shit on Russian TV that would get you blacklisted from every network in the USA.

The countries where you go to jail for Free Speech are called Saudi Arabia and China. Turkey, also.

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