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She was ready for that one, nicely done

So stupid. She didn't answer the question and too many people don't understand the questions. Islam isn't a nation state. THe question was how can you win against Jihadists if you don't address it ideologically. I'm not sure that question has an answer, but the question the lady answered was an entirely different question. Her answer said nothing about how to address it or fight it. She only explained why Islamists are a problem even if most of Islam is peaceful. Are we to conclude that this was an argument as to why we are at war with all of Islam ?

There's way to much stupid emotion on this issue and not nearly enough thoughtful discussion.

People get all excited about what's obvious, as if it is an answer to something. Wtf ?

A question to answer would be, how do we help the radical subset of Islam mature ? Another great question: Is condemning all of Islam or fighting all of Islam the best way to shrink the proportion of Islam that is radical ? That lady with her emotion didn't even scratch the surface of any important questions about what we or they need to do. She sounded like she was just stupidly spouting the obvious trying to justify blind hatred.

People are going to think I'm defending Islam and they're going to voice their hate and or fear, but they won't touch on the real questions.

Another good question. Are there perhaps some good tests or oaths to Allah that can be taken by immigrants that could help to flag Islamic immigrants that are potential terrorists? Perhaps other precautions? We do know that the modern secular world is both the cure of radical Islam and the enemy of radical Islam. How might this be used in our favor ? How can we pressure the Islamic countries (nation states such as Saudi Arabia) that nurture radical Islam to stop ?

And how exactly does a country founded on religious freedom, with such freedom a core tenet in its Constitution, discriminate based on religion?

Given the historical examples of the massive damage a small radical subset of any group can incur, maybe it's time to revisit discrimination and how it applies to a group given their published core beliefs.
As it applies to Islam, rewriting the Koran to reflect modern values is way past due.
As souls enter this world they are handed a blueprint as to what is expected of them.
If the blueprints are flawed, how can we expect the results not to be?

joeyjojojunior says

And how exactly does a country founded on religious freedom, with such freedom a core tent in its Constitution, discriminate based on religion?

marcus says

People are going to think I'm defending Islam

Is there any doubt?

PCGyver says

So is it 1.2 billion 1.8 billion or 1.6 billion Muslims?

Who knows? They already bred 300 million radicals, with more on the way.

joeyjojojunior says

And how exactly does a country founded on religious freedom, with such freedom a core tenet in its Constitution, discriminate based on religion?

By recognizing Islam as a terrorist organization, not a religion.

"By recognizing Islam as a terrorist organization, not a religion."

OK, so how do you go about doing that? What would be your objective criteria for refusing to acknowledge a religion?

Sharia is incompatible with the constitution and the majority of Muslims do not consider it to be radical. Tolerance of it is not the answer. I would say the religion itself needs a harsh reformation from within. How brave would those people have to be?

joeyjojojunior says

"By recognizing Islam as a terrorist organization, not a religion."

OK, so how do you go about doing that? What would be your objective criteria for refusing to acknowledge a religion?

Islam preaches hate and violence. It's sharia laws are nothing but human rights abuse. It's not what a real "God" would command. Islam cannot be a religion.
Call it what you like, but this evil ideology must be stopped, and it can only be stopped when leaders stop calling it a "Peaceful religion"

"Islam preaches hate and violence. It's sharia laws are nothing but human rights abuse. It's not what a real "God" would command. Islam cannot be a religion.
Call it what you like, but this evil ideology must be stopped, and it can only be stopped when leaders stop calling it a "Peaceful religion"

I don't disagree, but I'm asking how do you do it? Your opinion of what a "real" God would command is not going to cut it.

joeyjojojunior says

"Islam preaches hate and violence. It's sharia laws are nothing but human rights abuse. It's not what a real "God" would command. Islam cannot be a religion.

Call it what you like, but this evil ideology must be stopped, and it can only be stopped when leaders stop calling it a "Peaceful religion"

I don't disagree, but I'm asking how do you do it? Your opinion of what a "real" God would command is not going to cut it.

This is how we start. Look down on Islam. Criticize it. Mock it. Spread the facts about Islam. Make Muslims ashamed of being Muslims. Eventually they will start dumping it.