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often times you find a solution to a different problem than the one you are intending to. Not sure how this will pan out, but I bet we all end up with a very thorough understanding of the term 'ad hominem '

Ad hominem- (of an argument or reaction) directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining.

You're still free to express any point of view, just not personal attacks on another user's qualities.

So "Jane, you ignorant slut." is out of bounds.

But whatever point Jane is making is fair game for attack.

Do you find it offensive to be called a Republican?

Maybe so.

I assume that Realtor's are fair game.

As long as they are not registered users on patrick.net.

@Patrick, I noticed a comment of mine disappeared. I'm guessing it was moderated and deleted, but I didn't get any notice. Is that the way it is supposed to work? Seems weird.

Must have been ad-hom somehow, but I don't remember which one it was exactly. Do you remember approximately what it said?

Still working on a log where ad-hom comments will go, so they won't be permanently deleted in the future.

It discussed the demonstrably 'fake news' that came about during the last election and how it made money for the 'fake news' mills by generating memes on Facebook. Now Trump has labeled most centrist / center left news outlets as 'fake news' in his war on the media. I called this the fake 'fake news,' and I probably insulted the general class of people who are repeating this propaganda. It was a pretty long post and I thought it was substantive. If people cannot see what you deem as offensive, they the line will remain blurry.

What if JaNE is arguing that she is more of an ignorant slut then she is being credited for?

rando says

So "Jane, you ignorant slut." is out of bounds.

But whatever point Jane is making is fair game for attack.

I'm batting 84%. Is there any way I can buy back some of my civility?

Wait I went up a point. I gotta post more.

Macropodia says

Wait I went up a point. I gotta post more.

I served in the military for 26 years. Say something good about me. That will boost your score.

@Patrick, maybe it would be better to have an initial period where you just put a strike through the posts deemed uncivil, instead of deleting them. That way everybody can see what is getting deemed uncivil. It's a much more transparent way to go.

Yes, @YesYNot I will start simply moving ad hominem comments to a separate area instead of deleting them. But still updating scores. Then it all be very transparent.

Give me a day.

jvolstad says

I served in the military for 26 years. Say something good about me. That will boost your score.

You could probably have made more money and been safer in a private job for those years, so I appreciate your service to the country! Thank you.

rando says

You could probably have made more money and been safer in a private job for those years

You are probably right.

You are one of the most reasonable posters here. And no this is not a self serving post.
jvolstad says

Macropodia says

Wait I went up a point. I gotta post more.

I served in the military for 26 years. Say something good about me. That will boost your score.

Ironman says

Maybe you should be careful what you wish for.

I don't think I expressed much of an opinion on the moderation topic. It will probably improve the site, so I do think it's a good idea. Getting a comment deleted doesn't change my opinion on the topic, although it was annoying to have a rather long post deleted.

I suspect that I know who will have to change their behavior the most. Unfortunately, I probably cannot say who that is anymore.

jvolstad says

I served in the military for 26 years. Say something good about me. That will boost your score.

Thank you for your service!

can't we all just get along?

Your score looks good.

So the Ad Hominem button is a virtue signal?
Would it be fair to say anyone that uses it, is virtue signalling again?

Tenpoundbass says

So the Ad Hominem button is a virtue signal?

Would it be fair to say anyone that uses it, is virtue signalling again?

The only virtue it signals is the ability to attack the point and not the person.

But you can say the most ridiculous politically incorrect things and they will not be classified as Ad Hominem. Try it!

Lol!

I'm uncivility-impaired, I'll never catch up!

Can I still rant about the shitbirds, without singling a single asshole out?

Yes!

Just try not to identify an individual user.

FUCK THIS!
I'M GONE!

Remember -- any point that a user makes is fair game.

Their personal qualities are not fair game, because they are irrelevant to the point being made.

The Red Pill on Reddit has a good rule: Do not insult or harass members

That's pretty much what I mean by ad hominem.

BlueSardine says

What if JaNE is arguing that she is more of an ignorant slut then she is being credited for?

rando says

So "Jane, you ignorant slut." is out of bounds.

But whatever point Jane is making is fair game for attack.

Well played.

APOCALYPSEFUCK_is_ADORABLE says

Of course, mine is one of the very few 100% civility scores!

Amazing but true!

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What became of this, btw?