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mell says

That's why RHCP have their own vocalist and bass player, why Les Claypool usually alternates difficult bass lines and singing, why John Myung and Jon Petrucci or Jordan Rudess, all beasts on their respective instruments bass and guitar and keyboard, don't sing. Same difference

Move four limbs and sing. My point stands. Mute a cymbal in the middle of a fill and sing the song basically spot on for a cover. There's a reason there are no drummers. It's way harder as an instrument. As I said, bass, guitar and keys are like learning a keyboard that's labeled.

I presume those active on this site have not played live and probably just tinker around? I've toured regionally. Singing while playing drums well is waaaaaay more difficult than any other instrument.

In all fairness, people are slowly coming around to realizing how great Phil Collins is. And all the old myths busted, like he was jealous of Peter Gabriel. In reality, the other members of Genesis had to coax him into the front man role when Gabriel left. Amazing to see Phil keep complex beats going and singing at the same time.

AmericanKulak says

Amazing to see Phil keep complex beats going and singing at the same time.

Exactly. Give this a listen. The Phil part comes in later. I'll continue to say it Umphreys is the best band on the planet. Slightly biased, but you can't deny this if you know how to play. Studio, but he sings it while playing the Phil Collins part.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DoJtaou9lz-s&ved=2ahUKEwjlwtzI99aJAxUfj4kEHRilAjEQz40FegQIDxAI&usg=AOvVaw392iURBDWnM06UTtdTmsH3

AmericanKulak says

In all fairness, people are slowly coming around to realizing how great Phil Collins is

Massive librard. Also so overplayed that I can't stand his music anymore anyway.

Re: the drum dialog. This guy is an entertaining show-off. Never heard him with a band tho.
I agree with Wook re all-limb-plus-voice-engagement, it can seem astonishing. When Levon was handling lead vocals his drumming seemed reduced to time keeping.
https://www.youtube.com/@ElEsteparioSiberiano/shorts

Robert Sproul says

Re: the drum dialog. This guy is an entertaining show-off. Never heard him with a band tho.

I only did it once, but it worked for my voice singing live. Werewolves of London, Warren Zevon cover. Basic beat but throw in singing and it's extremely difficult. That's why you don't see that many drummers that sing.

Tool's Four-six & two is nuts to drum and sing to live as a drummer. Danny Carey is top notch but doesn't sing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FssULNGSZIA

6 strings or 4 strings on a fret board is kind of trivial. Same with keys. There's so much more to drums than people realize. There are simple drummers link Ringo, which is more my style. Over complicating it can be annoying. But when a top notch drummer nails it, I don't think anyone realizes how long and hard they had to work on that.

The 10,000 hour rule doesn't work on drums. You need at least 30-50k hours to be considered good. Learn different styles. Different drum set ups. I'm a C+ drummer if you were to grade me. Not great not bad. Good studio work. But I tended to have too much fun at live shows is all I'll say.