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I just need to know 2 things.

1) was he an illegal immigrant ?

2) Is he Islamic ?

If neither of these are true, I have close to zero interest in this story.

Rashomon says

I don't get your point. So he's a vile example of a human being.

It's a simple point. The vile human being is a good Muslim. He is merely stating the beliefs of his vile religion.

Strategist says

epitaph says

What was she texting?

- Only one died -

She looks upset. She's probably texting family about what happened, no doubt like many others around here were doing. Why don't you comment about what the old lady is doing behind her? Oh, that's right, she's walking past that group of people as well.

marcus says

2) Is he Islamic ?

If neither of these are true, I have close to zero interest in this story.

Yup. I can answer #2 in the affirmative. He is a good Muslim who follows his religion.

Rashomon says

- Only one died -

She looks upset. She's presumably texting family about what happened, no doubt like many others around here were doing. Why don't you comment about what the old lady is doing walking behind her?

The old lady seems to be standing, offering help.

Rashomon says

And their right to say such things is one of the corner stones of your country.

Can you say that Islam is a hateful fraud perpetrated by a dead charlatan, which it is? Or are you afraid that your Muslim "friends" will kill you for blasphemy, as per Islam?

Rashomon says

i don't get your point. So he's a vile example of a human being. Such people live in every country on earth spouting their particular version of hatred against others. And their right to say such things is one of the corner stones of your country.

You're British, yes? He happens to apparently still be in prison for Hate Speech and Encouraging Terrorism. He was radicalized by a Syrian Sunni Muslim, the kind that are the backbone of the Jihadi Insurgents there.

If Britain had not let in Omar Bakri Muhammed in the first place, the Jamaican kid would have never been radicalized. Maybe instead he would have become a fanatical Arsenal Fan instead.

As for the United States, we have never allowed dangerous ideologues immigrate to the USA. Anarchists and Communists, and that law has always been upheld. Political Islam is another ideology that can be banned.

Once they're here, we're stuck with them, which is why we should greatly restrict entry from Countries that are, or recently have had, large scale Political Islamist Violence.

There may be cockroaches in every kitchen, but that's no excuse to feed them or not have the exterminator get behind the cupboards and oven periodically.

Strategist says

It's a simple point. The vile human being is a good Muslim. He is merely stating the beliefs of his vile religion.

He's adhering to a certain interpretation of his religion. Unlike you, I know a lot of Muslims. I don't know a single one who would say he was a good Muslim.

Rashomon says

I don't know a single one who would say he was a good Muslim.

They might not say it to you, but he is definitely following the Koran and would be eligible for 72 whores if Islam weren't a hateful fraud perpetrated by a dead charlatan, which it is.

Rashomon says

He's adhering to a certain interpretation of his religion. Unlike you, I know a lot of Muslims. I don't know a single one who would say he was a good Muslim.

I thought about this today.

Many Snobby people work with minorities, but they work with thoroughly "White-ified" minorities. For example, a flaming gay Kenyan "Muslim" man who goes to wineries with the Gals in the office on Autumn Weekends. Neither he nor his white upper middle class co-workers have any idea that an Italian kid from Bensonhurst runs a gamut of White Hating Black kids waiting to kick his ass, everyday going to school.

In their minds it's inconceivable since they have never had the experience, but they "Know" about the history of lynching Blacks. Therefore the lived experience of a Tommy Robinson - or his poor Italian Brooklyn kid equivalent - must be false and based wholly on evil prejudice and racism.

WaPoIsHitler Lipsovitch says

You're British, yes? He happens to apparently still be in prison for Hate Speech and Encouraging Terrorism. He was radicalized by a Syrian Sunni Muslim, the kind that are the backbone of the Jihadi Insurgents there.

If Britain had not let in Omar Bakri Muhammed in the first place, the Jamaican kid would have never been radicalized. Maybe instead he would have become a fanatical Arsenal Fan instead.

Or maybe he would have been radicalised by someone else. I don't have any problem booting out people allowed into the country who then espouse hatred and terrorism. I do have a problem barring people who need help, refugees from wars brought about in large part by interference by the West, simply because they are Muslim.

Rashomon says

Or maybe he would have been radicalised by someone else

This is the "This cigarette probably won't give me lung cancer argument". Rejecting all cigarettes, or smoking as infrequently as possible, is the true solution.

Rashomon says

I do have a problem barring people who need help, refugees from wars brought about in large part by interference by the West, simply because they are Muslim.

White Working Class pays for the wars, dies for the wars, and then it's social services and job opportunities are overspread to make the Middle Upper Classes feel better about themselves over the war. Not many Sudanese Refugees in Islington, I imagine.

Elementary Class Warfare.

WaPoIsHitler Lipsovitch says

I thought about this today.

Many Snobby people work with minorities, but they work with thoroughly "White-ified" minorities. For example, a flaming gay African man who goes to wineries. Neither he nor his white upper middle class co-workers have any idea that an Italian kid from Bensonhurst runs a gamut of White Hating Black kids everyday going to school.

In their minds it's inconceivable since they have never had the experience, but they "Know" about the history of lynching Blacks. Therefore the lived experience of a Tommy Robinson must be false and based wholly on evil prejudice and racism.

Yeah, except I've lived and worked in the Middle East for getting on for 20 years and have dealt with a whole range of people as you would. I haven't had any (religious based) issue with any of them.

Rashomon says

I haven't had any (religious based) issue with any of them.

..because you are slavishly devoted to defending their hateful fraud, even their censorship and dress codes, while criticizing the infidel west. Why should they bother killing or subjugating you, as per Islam, when you're already doing their work for them?

BTW, do you pay jizya, or are you named Rashid so they think you're Muslim (except for the few to whom you've confessed, secretly)?

Rashomon says

Strategist says

It's a simple point. The vile human being is a good Muslim. He is merely stating the beliefs of his vile religion.

He's adhering to a certain interpretation of his religion. Unlike you, I know a lot of Muslims. I don't know a single one who would say he was a good Muslim.

And I bet all the good Muslims you know do nothing to stop the bad Muslims.
I have never met a single Muslim who would admit a 56 year old man having sex with a 9 year old child is immoral. I bet neither have you.

WaPoIsHitler Lipsovitch says

This is the "This cigarette probably won't give me lung cancer argument". Rejecting all cigarettes, or smoking as infrequently as possible, is the true solution.

No, it isn't. You deal with the radicals, the people actually pushing this agenda. Being a Muslim isn't a race based issue. Anyone can choose to become a Muslim. You need to deal with the causes of this radicalisation. Castigating an entire religion of 1.6bn people isn't offering any answers.

curious2 says

..because you are slavishly devoted to defending their hateful fraud, and even their censorship and dress codes, while criticizing the infidel west. Why should they bother killing or subjugating you, as per Islam, when you're already doing their work for them?

Yeah, except I'm not. And feel free to explain how I'm doing their work. I'll be waiting.

Strategist says

And I bet all the good Muslims you know do nothing to stop the bad Muslims.

Who do you think is doing most of the fighting against ISIS in Iraq and Syria?

Rashomon says

I'll be waiting.

I add links after commenting, so you won't have long to wait. Meanwhile, you can answer the questions, since you know:
1) can you say that Islam is a hateful fraud perpetrated by a dead charlatan, which it is?
2) are you paying Jizya, and/or named Rashid?

Bonus question: when you say you've been working for them 20 years, yet you appear to spend all your time online defending Islam and criticizing the west, is that what they're paying you to do?

Strategist says

I have never met a single Muslim who would admit a 56 year old man having sex with a 9 year old child is immoral. I bet neither have you.

Probably because it wasn't that unusual to marry a child in pretty much any country around the world in the 6th/7th Century. I don't know anybody who wouldn't say it was immoral if it happened now.

Rashomon says

Strategist says

And I bet all the good Muslims you know do nothing to stop the bad Muslims.

Who do you think is doing most of the fighting against ISIS in Iraq and Syria?

And against the innocent Sunnis, the innocent Shites, and innocent Yazidis, and innocent infidels. It's always the Muslims, isn't it?

curious2 says

1) can you say that Islam is a hateful fraud perpetrated by a dead charlatan, which it is?

2) are you paying Jizya, and/or named Rashid?

1. I'm an atheist, so I have a similar outlook about all religions.
2. No

curious2 says

Bonus question: when you say you've been working for them 20 years, yet you appear to spend all your time online defending Islam and criticizing the west, is that what they're paying you to do?

I've just woken up and am filling time before going to work. I spend far less time on here than many others who post on here (247 posts under the new system...), though I probably have more free time than most, so no is the answer.

Next questions.

Rashomon says

Yeah, except I've lived and worked in the Middle East for getting on for 20 years and have dealt with a whole range of people as you would. I haven't had any (religious based) issue with any of them.

You largely work with the top rungs of those countries. Most of whom would be highly secularized or westernized And not with pickpockets from Marakech or goat rustlers from the Atlas Mountains. I always remind college students they're not meeting Muhammid Malaysia or Tony Tanzania. They're meeting the top 5% of those countries, who generally have a globalist, Westernized, Secular and elite outlook and DO NOT represent the majority of their nation.

Pakis weren't a problem in the 60s/70s because there were two few to ghettoize and most had a multi-generational relationship with the West and Britain, and British-inspired education before they ever arrived in Britain.

Many of the Pakis who arrived starting in the 80s did not have such a relationship. And indeed, encountering clean British Streets and Women in Mini Skirts made them defensive and the crap in their own country. Like the Arabs began postulating in the 1000s, "They musta been robbed by the (Crusaders, Turks, Mongols) Only recommitment to Islam will work." This is a recurring theme in Islam (nor unique to it) and is not new.

What do they say about UK expats "More British than the British". Many Muslims become MORE fervent when they live in the West because their identity is threatened or challenged.

Rashomon says

Strategist says

I have never met a single Muslim who would admit a 56 year old man having sex with a 9 year old child is immoral. I bet neither have you.

Probably because it wasn't that unusual to marry a child in pretty much any country around the world in the 6th/7th Century. I don't know anybody who wouldn't say it was immoral if it happened now.

Have you heard them say outright that a 56 year old man having sex with a 9 year old child is immoral? I doubt it.

Rashomon says

Next questions.

When you say you've been working for them 20 years, yet you appear to spend all your time online defending them and criticizing westerners, is that what they're paying you to do?

WaPoIsHitler Lipsovitch says

You largely work with the top rungs of those countries. Most of whom would be highly secularized or westernized And not with pickpockets from Marakech or goat rustlers from the Atlas Mountains.

Actually, I have to deal with a whole range of people in my line of work.

Rashomon says

Actually, I have to deal with a whole range of people in my line of work.

Are you selling shearing equipment?

Strategist says

Have you heard them say outright that a 56 year old man having sex with a 9 year old child is immoral? I doubt it.

Did you actually read my initial response? Try and work out what it meant.

WaPoIsHitler Lipsovitch says

Are you selling shearing equipment?

Was that your attempt at a joke?

Rashomon says

Was that your attempt at a joke?

Yes.

You know what Rashid/Rashomon/Bigsby, your comebacks are pretty powerful. I have to give you that. But defending a barbaric religion like Islam will only lead you to humiliation and defeat.

WaPoIsHitler Lipsovitch says

Many Muslims become MORE fervent when they live in the West because...

of several reasons including the British dole subsidizing polygamous families, so the polygamous are over-represented in the younger generations. While secular families barely maintain replacement rate, the British dole breeds jihadis as fast as possible, and the numbers show up in opinion polls. While most people are becoming more tolerant, Muslims are becoming generationally more intolerant, as per Islam.

Strategist says

You know what Rashid/Rashomon/Bigsby, your comebacks are pretty powerful. I have to give you that. But defending a barbaric religion like Islam will only lead you to humiliation and defeat.

Not all Nazis were bad people. Some were nice. Some were even witnesses at Nanking.

curious2 says

When you say you've been working for them 20 years, yet you appear to spend all your time online defending them and criticizing westerners, is that what they're paying you to do?

Didn't you just already ask that? Didn't I already answer it? I've made a grand total of 40 more posts than you. Who pays you to spend all your time online?

Rashomon says

Didn't you just already ask that? Didn't I already answer it? I've made a grand total of 40 more posts than you. Who pays you to spend all your time online?

You've been commenting for less than one year, I've been commenting five years.

Update: I see you answered some of the questions, but not whether you can say Islam is a hateful fraud perpetrated by a dead charlatan, which it is.

Rashomon says

Strategist says

Have you heard them say outright that a 56 year old man having sex with a 9 year old child is immoral? I doubt it.

Did you actually read my initial response? Try and work out what it meant.

It meant they would say it is immoral, but you have not actually heard it.
I would like anyone to show me a practicing Mullah to come out and say a 56 year old man having sex with a 9 year old child is immoral.
I don't believe it's possible.

curious2 says

of several reasons including the British dole subsidizing polygamous families, so the polygamous are over-represented in the younger generations. While secular families barely maintain replacement rate, the British dole breeds jihadis as fast as possible, and the numbers show up in opinion polls. While most people are becoming more tolerant, Muslims are becoming generationally more intolerant, as per Islam.

Here's the Mystery.

There are an open and blatant websites, Secondwife and Polygamy.com.
Polygamy is illegal in Britain and White Britons are punished for it, even for technicalities (I believe one Scotsman got separated decade ago as young man, remarried without finalizing divorce, and got the book thrown at him).
It is a no brainer for Scotland Yard to get a warrant for Credit Card Numbers/Names and check it against Welfare Rolls and anywhere else Married information would show.
And, with just a little bit of paperwork, charge 100s of people effortlessly.

Why is there one law for White Britons, while Pakistani Polygamy is totally ignored?

How can Men with multiple wives allow their additional wives to draw welfare as if single, when they all live under one roof and share everything?

Not only is it not "One Law For All", it's subsidizing polygamy for SOME, as you say.

Strategist says

You know what Rashid/Rashomon/Bigsby, your comebacks are pretty powerful. I have to give you that. But defending a barbaric religion like Islam will only lead you to humiliation and defeat.

I'm defending the people I know and like. I'm not defending the bullshit spouted by the idiots running amock
curious2 says

You've posted more comments in less than one year than I've posted in five years.

I did ask, but you didn't answer.

I did answer. And I have plenty of free time, so I post on here. And I post far less than many - just under 1200 comments since August. You've posted nearly 7000 since 2012, so I don't really get your point. I post more than you less than others. Big deal.

Anyway, I have to go to work.

And on that note, why is it:

Africa for the Africans
Asia for the Asians

Anti-Colonialism/Imperialism, YAY!

but

Europe for the Europeans is evil and racist?

Rashomon says

I did answer

I've corrected my earlier comment. I yield to facts, but never to fraud. You seem to do precisely the opposite: you persist in defending the hateful fraud of the dead charlatan Mohamed, no matter how many facts prove that it is a hateful fraud.

BTW, I'm curious why you said the comment below, which is what fooled me (briefly) about who had posted more:

Rashomon says

I've made a grand total of 40 more posts than you.