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Fuck White Males!
Every problem we have in govt. is on the White MAN.
Blacks,Latinos, Asians,Women,LBGTQ,et al
have never had control of the U.S. Govt.

What makes the White MAN worse is that they are Republicans & Democrats.
The shoe fits & they are happy to wear it & kick America's ass.

While in the Guf, you would have been well advised to stay away from crayons...

HEY YOU says

Fuck White Males!

Every problem we have in govt. is on the White MAN.

Patrick says

I look to a day when white people will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character.

--Martin Luther King

This is the correct response to anti-white SJW racism.

@Patrick, you are appropriating black culture and triggering people in the process. Worst still, you're a fucking white male! You shouldn't even be allowed to vote. snaps fingers repeatedly

On a serious note, the exact quote from MLK is

I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character.

It's probably better to stick as close to the quote as possible rather than say "when white people will not be judged by the color..." simply because SJW will call that racist. Better to say "when no one will be...".

HEY YOU says

Fuck White Males!

Hey man, don't put your adjectives on me. I self-identify as a bisexual transgender black half-woman half-Morlock android undocumented immigrant. Don't CIS gender-race box me. Just because my birth certificate says I was born in America doesn't mean I can't be an undocumented alien. Just because Morlocks don't actually exist doesn't mean it's not real to me. And I can trace my ancestry all the way back to Africa, and to fish before that. So I'm a mermaid American. Stop oppressing me.

MLK was all right, we got another day off out of him.

www.youtube.com/embed/Ngag_t5Vdlw

Can we use #firstWorldProblems in response to the gender pay gap?

marcus says

So you are saying that racism is not a bad thing if it is directed at certain ethnic groups. I strongly disagree. Groups do not suffer the ill-effects of racism. Individuals do. It's always the individual who actually bears the suffering of racism, and you are vilifying individuals for things they did not do. You are literally pre-judging those individuals are being worthy of derision. That's the definition of prejudice. The word literally means to pre-judge.

Aside from the hypocrisy of your position, it is highly counter-productive. The last thing minorities need is to alienate sympathetic and non-racist whites. That's just handing over the moral high ground to all the racists on Fox News and other conservative right media that try to make every race issue into conservative left race-baiting. It's a bad strategy.

Dan8267 says

So you are saying that racism is not a bad thing if it is directed at certain ethnic groups.

No, I'm not saying that at all.

Dan8267 says

The last thing minorities need is to alienate sympathetic and non-racist whites.

Very true but not indicative of hypocrisy of a position on my part. I don't know that I have a position other than that I can't relate to Patrick's point of view. Not that he isn't 100% right of course - but getting bothered by generalized racism against whites by SOME minorities is also counter productive. For reasons very close to the ones you mention.

Dan8267 says

handing over the moral high ground to all the racists on Fox News and other conservative right media that try to make every race issue into conservative left race-baiting.

Is white privilege a thing ? Was it ever a thing ?

Look I find most of the SJW check your privilege bullshit as annoying as the next person. And I understand that most of us in privileged (or formerly privileged if you want to nit pick) classes of people prefer to say those times are over and, "don't accuse me of having anything to do with them. Can't we just live as if there are no privileged classes ? I want to live as if we're already there !"

Furthermore, I hate identity politics, not becasue they aren't sometimes right, but becasue it seems to trigger too many white males, and more generally becasue we need political movements that most working class folks can buy in to and that are harder for the psyop agents to use in pulling the big divide and conquer.

marcus says

www.youtube.com/embed/Ngag_t5Vdlw

So much stereotyping.

Notice all criticism of Whites portray them all as wealthy, home-movie theatre owners, when there are far more Whites on Welfare or living paycheck to paycheck, than all Blacks combined.

The Feminists do the same with White Males, pretending they are all Prep School Graduates and Assholes like Holden Caulfield's roommate. When in reality, for every preppy Jerk there are 100 Trashmen, Ditch Diggers, Best Buy Salespeople, Pizza Delivery Guys, and such like. The later is especially interesting because women ignore low status men, who actually make the world function. When was the last time you saw a Female trashman, sewer cleaner, etc.?

It's really not any different that those who assume ALL Blacks are criminal drunks.

Lashkar_i_Trumpi says

So much stereotyping.

I look at the FWP meme differently. Yes, they exaggerate and or generalize the wealth and leisure we have in our lives in the first world (when many of us feel like slaves to one degree or another at least at times). But the point is that it's funny the things we consider problems, when so many in the world would have love to have our problems.

marcus says

No, I'm not saying that at all.

Then you should be more careful of images you post. That image sure makes it sound like that's what you mean. The intent of the image's author is quite clear, to trivialize racism against whites. If you don't share that intent, then don't associate that image with you.

The author's intent is bad. Just because some asshole Englishmen and their descendants were slavers doesn't make the vast majority of whites in their time or ours guilty of slavery. What the hell do the Irish have to do with American slavery? Why should descendants of the Irish have any guilt over slavery? How the hell were they privileged. The image is racist, and if that doesn't reflect your views, disassociate yourself from it. Racism against whites is racism.

Dan8267 says

The author's intent is bad

I'm the author, and just becasue you don't understand my intent, doesn't mean other people won't. It got 4 likes, for some reason (and no, I wasn't one of them). I doubt that anyone that liked it think that I mean that prejudice against white people is good.

To say I'm sympathetic to prejudice against whites would be wrong, but I guess you could say that I find prejudice (or hate) by some among an oppressed class toward the oppressor class more understandable or less surprising than the reverse. I find it easier to forgive or tolerate the former, even if I'm on the receiving end. And besides it's only coming from some small subset.

It's sort of like if I was a cop, I would find your somewhat extreme view of cops not particularly surprising, even though I would know that it's very unbalanced and incorrect. I would be forgiving and tolerant of your view but not trivializing it. It would not be at the forefront of my mind or something that upsets me when I think about it. Although, at the same time, hopefully I would have a problem with incompetent and or corrupt cops that give the rest of us a bad name. I would understand that they are arguably the cause of your view..

marcus says

It got 4 likes, for some reason (and no, I wasn't one of them).

It got four likes from people who agree with its racist statement, and if you actually put together the image, then sorry, you got some latent racism in you. The picture clearly says that white people should shut the fuck up and take racial discrimination because they deserve it unlike people of other races. By definition, that is racist. It's also highly counterproductive because all you are going to accomplish is pissing off non-racists into becoming racists.

Scientific studies have shown that you can manipulate people into an us vs them mentality very easily.

In the early 1970s, British social psychologist Henri Tajfel explored a phenomenon he called the minimal group paradigm. The basic idea behind this concept was to investigate the minimal conditions required for discrimination to occur within groups.

Amazingly, studies on this approach have shown that people tend to favor a group bias even when they are categorized on relatively meaningless distinctions, for example: eye color, what kind of paintings they like, or even the flip of a coin.

This tells us that we can potentially separate ourselves from a certain group of people on any random and arbitrary characteristic. Therefore, everyone is susceptible to be a perpetrator and/or victims of social prejudice and ostracism.

It appears that thinking of ourselves in terms of groups automatically leads to a kind of irrational group favoritism.

This means that if you distinguish between racism against one group, whites, from all others, you necessarily put whites and non-whites into an us vs. them fight. Is this really what you want to accomplish?

All prejudice is bad regardless of the target group. Prejudice is bad because it hurts people and it hurts society. It is irrational. Never promote the irrational.

I simply disagree. I know what my intent was and I know what my point of view is. I've already killed the meme by over explaining it.

Dan8267 says

This means that if you distinguish between racism against one group,whites, from all others

IT doesn't mean that at all. IT means that I can't relate to and don't agree with whites people that overly complain about BLM or SJWs, on the basis of their anti white racism. IT doesn't mean that I don't think anti white racism happens or that I think it's okay.

Dan8267 says

you necessarily put whites and non-whites into an us vs. them fight.

Actually quite the opposite.

I think I see the issue here. Maybe you're looking at Patrick's point analytically and defending it. I already said he's obviously correct.

What I'm looking at is why does he feel the need to say it ? Btw, he's saying something that every Trump voter would agree with, including the ALL of extremely racist ones (the medium and slightly racist ones too).

He's basically calling out SJWs for being racist. Some or maybe even many of them totally deserve that (such asZarna Joshi). I see them as a very small group. And since I work with kids in a progressive urban area, I know that these views aren't blowing up as much as some might fear. It's a small minority on college campuses, and sadly they probably manage to tarnish what are sometimes very legitimate issues such as protesting racist and incompetent police behavior. That is they often have the opposite of their desired effect, and they very much manage to feed into white racism. They also do great harm to the left politically. I am sensitive to that phenomenon.

marcus says

I simply disagree.

And if this was an opinion that would count for something, but it's not. It's a fact that pre-judging discrimination against whites as being insignificant because they are whites while not doing the same for all other groups is, by definition, racist. It is literally basing your judgement on race. You can't get more by definition than that.

It is an opinion that racism against whites does not matter. It is a fact that such an opinion is racist.

marcus says

marcus says

IT doesn't mean that at all. IT means that I can't relate to and don't agree with whites people that overly complain about BLM or SJWs, on the basis of their anti white racism. IT doesn't mean that I don't think anti white racism happens or that I think it's okay.

Your words and the picture do not agree with each other. The image does not imply that some concern over anti-white racism is valid. It implies that all objection to anti-white racism is invalid and all white people should just suck it up as penance for what a minority of white people did. If someone created a picture of a black man being arrested and it was captioned, "So what if you're innocent. Suck it up because so many black men commit violent crimes.", then anyone who isn't a complete bigot would find the picture offensive and despicable.

Either you intended to promote a racist view and are now recanting it or you fucked up the picture and caption. Either way the face-saving move is simply to admit the meme attempt was dumb and wrong and then move one. Racism is bad and should not be acceptable regardless of the target. The same holds true for sexism. It does not matter if the victims are women or men. Groupism is irrational and destructive, and one wrong does not justify another.

Dan8267 says

Racism is bad and should not be acceptable regardless of the target.

Then why were you such a pussy ? To say that only SJW's would see this as racist ?

Dan8267 says

t's probably better to stick as close to the quote as possible rather than say "when white people will not be judged by the color..." simply because SJW will call that racist. Better to say "when no one will be...".

IS he not singling out one side, and saying something that every fucking white racist would strongly agree with ?

When white racists are accused of racism, there is always one singular response they have. "No, no, no, I mean it is true that black murder rates are higher than non black, and I do believe races really are different, that it's more than simply environment over a few generations, and I do sort of buy in to the whole bell curve thesis, but it's the SJWs fighting against racism that are the real racists."

SOme things never change Dan. You're incapable of seeing my point of view. Maybe you should listen a little bit more to the respectful way that your hero Sam Harris argues. Yeah, yeah, I know. I and my point of view don't deserve your respect. Therefore the usual, you aren't even capable of stepping back and seeing it.

It's surprising that self identified liberals who act as if they are pro rights, pass laws and promote things that judge people by their skin color. It's crazy when you think about it.

MLK said a great thing. Next thing government decided that certain jobs and schools should have "diversity" forced upon via color coded quotas. That is racism. And left does not see it that way, they just snob their noses at all of us and call us racist instead because we don't roll over for them.

Dan8267 says

The image does not imply that some concern over anti-white racism is valid

Every first word problems meme I've ever seen was about some real problem. IT's true that usually it's a silly small problem. I don't think that racism against whites is silly or small, but I do think that if it's a major issue for a white person, then they have blown it out of proportion, and it's often a sign of something else. But I could be wrong. We're all different people and focus on different things at different times. Maybe one day when we are the collective (Borg reference) it will be different.

marcus says

Dan8267 says

Racism is bad and should not be acceptable regardless of the target.

Then why were you such a pussy ? To say that only SJW's would see this as racist ?

Honey, don't get upset that I called you out on your racism. Just change.

You posted an image that trivialized victims of racism if they happen to be white. That was bad. Just stop doubling down on stupid and racist. You did a bad, not a huge bad, just a minor bad, but it was still a bad. Just admit it and promise not to do it again. I really don't see why apologizing and showing that you can admit your mistake and fix it takes more emotional maturity than you can muster. It's not that hard. You could have used this opportunity to demonstrate that you are a real man who can learn from his mistakes and move one. Instead you have made yourself look much worse by trying to cover up your mistake.

This is why America today sucks. People can never admit they are wrong. As if making a mistake is so fucking unacceptable that you can never recover from it. Quite frankly, that is a stupid and immature world view. I freely admit that I make mistakes. The difference is that when I realize I have made a mistake, I correct it and move on. This should not be a big deal.

Bigotry is never a trivial issue to the individual on the receiving end of it. That should not be a controversial statement.

marcus says

I don't think that racism against whites is silly or small, but I do think that if it's a major issue for a white person, then they have blown it out of proportion, and it's often a sign of something else.

Then say that. Your image does not say that. No reasonable person would have interpreted that caption as saying that some, but not all, anti-white racism is blow out of proportion.

In fact making such a statement would best be served with specific well-known examples that you can illustrate indicates a wider trend.

FortWayne says

Next thing government decided that certain jobs and schools should have "diversity" forced upon via color coded quotas.

Well there were buses, drinking fountains, bathrooms, restaurants, military, professional sports, etc. Yes the government forced the issue. I guess most of those preceded MLK. Later were quotas and affirmative action, which I agree can be taken too far. Are you really going to argue that the net result of all that government sticking their snobby noses in our business was bad ?

FortWayne says

It's surprising that self identified liberals who act as if they are pro rights, pass laws and promote things that judge people by their skin color. It's crazy when you think about it.

Just because someone self-identifies as a liberal does not make one a liberal. Does self-identifying as a black woman make one a black woman, Fort Wayne?

http://www.trbimg.com/img-55805aa3/turbine/ct-rachel-dolezal-african-american-perspec-0617-20150616

Didn't you complain that Elizabeth Warren checked Native American in an Affirmative Action checkbox?

A liberal is someone who follows the principle of liberalism.
1. All people are equal under law. We are a nation of rights, not privileges, and everyone has the same right.
2. People should be allowed to do what they want as long as they aren't infringing upon the rights of others. There should be no victimless crimes.
3. Government should be transparent and accountable for its actions.

How about you give us even one example where a liberal passed a law that promote things that judge people by their skin color? Affirmative Action was passed by the conservative left, and they don't believe in the above three principles any more than you do. I am a liberal and I oppose Affirmative Action precisely because it is racist. How do you reconcile me with your distorted view of liberals?

Dan8267 says

No reasonable person would have interpreted that caption as saying that some, but not all, anti-white racism is blow out of proportion.

Wtf ? IT was in response to this thread and Patricks post. I made it just for that.

Ironman says

But I'm not going to do it, as I'm not a sensitive special snowflake, catch my drift???

Yeah, whatever. That should be up to Dan.He knows I wasn't even calling him a pussy, except with regard to what he didn't say in that one comment.

Dan8267 says

marcus says

Dan8267 says

Racism is bad and should not be acceptable regardless of the target.

Then why were you such a pussy ? To say that only SJW's would see this as racist ?

Honey, don't get upset that I called you out on your racism. Just change.

IT was more than a little predictable that you wouldn't answer that. Actually I expected some convoluted nonsense rather than just running.

Dan8267 says

It's probably better to stick as close to the quote as possible rather than say "when white people will not be judged by the color..." simply because SJW will call that racist. Better to say "when no one will be...".

Dan8267 says

You did a bad, not a huge bad, just a minor bad, but it was still a bad. Just admit it and promise not to do it again. I really don't see why apologizing and showing that you can admit your mistake and fix it takes more emotional maturity than you can muster. It's not that hard. You could have used this opportunity to demonstrate that you are a real man who can learn from his mistakes and move one. Instead you have made yourself look much worse by trying to cover up your mistake.

This is why America today sucks. People can never admit they are wrong. As if making a mistake is so fucking unacceptable that you can never recover from it. Quite frankly, that is a stupid and immature world view. I freely admit that I make mistakes. The difference is that when I realize I have made a mistake, I correct it and move on. This should not be a big deal.

It's 10:00pm in Floriada. I guess Dan is drunk.

Dan8267 says

People can never admit they are wrong.

Interesting observation Dan.

Dan8267 says

A liberal is someone who follows the principle of liberalism.

I find that very offensive. I am a liberal, because I do my own thinking. Who says I have to follow certain principles set by someone else?
Is there a fucking book for atheists or liberals that they have to abide by?

Ironman says

"Floriada"??

Yes, you caught a typo. Did you read this stupid argument ? My guess is was hard for you, having to agree with Dan, as I'm quite sure you do.

marcus says

Dan8267 says

marcus says

Dan8267 says

Racism is bad and should not be acceptable regardless of the target.

Then why were you such a pussy ? To say that only SJW's would see this as racist ?

Honey, don't get upset that I called you out on your racism. Just change.

IT was more than a little predictable that you wouldn't answer that. Actually I expected some convoluted nonsense rather than just running.

I didn't answer your straw man argument masked as a question because it didn't warrant an answer. However, if you want to bring more attention to your mistakes despite the fact that I've been giving you lots of chances to save face, then, well...

I never stated anything that could remotely be interpreted as only SJW would see your meme attempt as racist. You are just making that up. Any rational person would read the caption "Some minority individuals judge me because I'm white" under the image of a crying woman as trivializing racism against specifically and solely whites and, by definition, that is racist. Don't double down on your mistake again. Just walk away with what dignity you have left. You are pouring salt into your wound.

marcus says

It's 10:00pm in Floriada. I guess Dan is drunk.

This is deflection.

Strategist says

Dan8267 says

A liberal is someone who follows the principle of liberalism.

I find that very offensive. I am a liberal, because I do my own thinking. Who says I have to follow certain principles set by someone else?

Is there a fucking book for atheists or liberals that they have to abide by?

The sad thing is that I can't actually tell if you are joking given most of your other posts. On the off chance that you aren't or someone takes you seriously...

Obviously no one is saying you have to follow a certain set of principles. However, if you believe in god, you are not an atheist by definition. If you do believe in god, you are a theist by definition. If you believe in the principles of liberalism, then you are a liberal by definition. If you reject the principles of liberalism, then you are by definition not a liberal.

Accurate communication matters.

marcus says

Ironman says

"Floriada"??

Yes, you caught a typo. Did you read this stupid argument ? My guess is was hard for you, having to agree with Dan, as I'm quite sure you do.

First, CIC obsesses over typos. It's one of the few times he can call an opponent on a mistake, even though it's a trivial and irrelevant one.

Second, yes, it gets hard whenever CIC points out such a mistake. Who are we to deny him the one pleasure he can get in life?

Third, it's spelled Floriduh, and the people who live there are Floridiots. Still, it's better than being from Tampa. You know what they are called?

Dan8267 says

I never stated anything that could remotely be interpreted as only SJW would see your meme attempt as racist.

Good example of how much listen or care to make any small attempt to consider my point of view.

Try again ? I'm referring back to the third comment of the thread (yours).

marcus says

Dan8267 says

Racism is bad and should not be acceptable regardless of the target.

Then why were you such a pussy ? To say that only SJW's would see this as racist ?

Dan8267 says

t's probably better to stick as close to the quote as possible rather than say "when white people will not be judged by the color..." simply because SJW will call that racist. Better to say "when no one will be...".

IS he not singling out one side, and saying something that every fucking white racist would strongly agree with ?

When white racists are accused of racism, there is always one singular response they have. "No, no, no, I mean it is true that black murder rates are higher than non black, and I do believe races really are different, that it's more than simply environment...

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Dan8267 says

Dan8267 says

Strategist says

Dan8267 says

A liberal is someone who follows the principle of liberalism.

I find that very offensive. I am a liberal, because I do my own thinking. Who says I have to follow certain principles set by someone else?


Is there a fucking book for atheists or liberals that they have to abide by?

The sad thing is that I can't actually tell if you are joking given most of your other posts. On the off chance that you aren't or someone takes you seriously...

Obviously no one is saying you have to follow a certain set of principles. However, if you believe in god, you are not an atheist by definition. If you do believe in god, you are a theist by definition. If you believe in the principles of liberalism, then you are a liberal by definition. If you reject the...

OMG. I realized I was a damn atheist by the time I was 13. I remember praying for a baby bird at age 10 that me and my little sister tried to save, but ended up killing.
I am a fucking atheist, I lean liberal, and that's all i will ever be.

marcus says

Try again ? I'm referring back to the third comment of the thread (yours).

It's amazing how poor your writing skills are for someone who claims to be a teacher. It's not clear at all what point you are trying to make or what question you are trying to ask. You were talking about your meme attempt and now you're switching to Patrick's caption? How was anyone suppose to make that connection especially without context or the quote you were referring to?

As for my comment at index 3, I was offering Patrick sincere advice that SJWs would deliberately misinterpret his statement just to make a straw man attack. This is quite typical of SJWs as shown in numerous videos such as Hugh Mungus.

Strategist says

I lean liberal, and that's all i will ever be.

If you lean liberal then I'm a black female, fundamental Christian who believes in trickle down economics. You are heavily into authoritarianism.

marcus says

IS he not singling out one side, and saying something that every fucking white racist would strongly agree with ?

When white racists are accused of racism, there is always one singular response they have. "No, no, no, I mean it is true that black murder rates are higher than non black, and I do believe races really are different, that it's more than simply environment over a few generations, and I do sort of buy in to the whole bell curve thesis, but it's the SJWs fighting against racism that are the real racists."

(the singular response I was referring to was the second bold fragment)