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Thunderdome: Should we all be responsible for everyone else's health care?


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2017 May 4, 9:59am   20,571 views  134 comments

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1. No, I should only be responsible for the care of me and my family.
2. Yes, healthcare is a basic human right for everyone in this country.
3. Yes, healthcare is a basic human right for every citizen of this country.
4-5. Add "except the fatties." to 2 and 3.
6. Extra credit: Kill the bankers!

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126   CBOEtrader   2017 May 7, 9:21pm  

just any guy says

I'm sorry but I don't see cause and effect of free market meaning more expensive.

That's because the opposite is true. Prior to 1965, healthcare grew at exactly the rate of CPI. Since government began interfering in the healthcare market costs have risen more than 20 times faster than the CPI.

Take today's prices, divide by 20 to get an estimate of what healthcare should cost in a free market.

127   joeyjojojunior   2017 May 8, 5:51am  

"I'm sorry but I don't see cause and effect of free market meaning more expensive. We have far from a free market system today...it's bastardized"

It's simple. Capitalism performs poorly in markets with inelastic demand. It allows companies to raise prices as high as they want with no reduction in demand. That is the cause and effect.

128   marcus   2017 May 8, 6:22am  

Blurtman says

Should we all be responsible for everyone else's health care?

You mean like EVERY OTHER FIRST WORLD COUNTRY ? Yes. Not on'y becasue we know it would cost less, but also becasue it's the right thing to do.

129   Blurtman   2017 May 8, 6:39am  

marcus says

Yes. Not on'y becasue we know it would cost less, but also becasue it's the right thing to do.

Incomplete. 2 or 3?

130   anonymous   2017 May 9, 6:25am  

just any guy says

joeyjojojunior says

Ironman says

So you really think Medicare is administered and regulated well and is very cost efficient?

It's more cost efficient than private insurance is.

This is an interesting analysis because comparing administrative overhead of Medicare vs private health plans is apples and oranges. For example with integrated health systems, they handle most of the claims processing and adjudication overhead...not Medicare or Medicaid. So, it is hard to compare.

If you ask independent providers who is easier to work with, most will likely say private insurers because the paperwork and guidelines for Medicare is outrageous. From what I've seen, this is a symptom of how government operates...with far too much bureaucracy and overhead.

Look at auto insurers....

Private Health Insurance is nothing but bureaucracy and overhead. It's the most useless, inefficient jobs program in the history of this planet

132   CBOEtrader   2017 May 11, 10:19am  

joeyjojojunior says

Capitalism performs poorly in markets with inelastic demand

You are conflating ideas. Define capitalism. I think you mean free-markets which is not the same thing. Regardless, no system has outperformed free-markets regardless of the elasticity of demand.

Also, most healthcare is very elastic. 98% of what any of have done in a hospital is elastic.

133   joeyjojojunior   2017 May 11, 10:25am  

"Regardless, no system has outperformed free-markets regardless of the elasticity of demand."

Source? Because every chart, graph, or table I've seen shows that free market health care is the most expensive and worst performing system.

134   Dan8267   2017 May 11, 2:39pm  

zzyzzx says

Slavery was a feature of capitalism that was institutionalized by the American South, who are today's "freedom caucus". The lies and hypocrisy of this post are shameless.

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