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What you can do about Islamic terrorism


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2017 May 25, 9:24am   66,521 views  220 comments

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The most important thing is to tell the truth no matter how much they shout "Islamophobia!"

The media and most of our so-called "leaders" still refuse to tell the truth that Islamic terrorism is caused by Islam itself.

Some countries in Europe have gone so far as to make it illegal to tell the truth about Islam. It takes courage to fight Islamic bombs and hate with mere words of sincere honesty, especially when you will be mocked by the media, perhaps fired from your job, and maybe even fined or imprisoned.

Bogus arguments that you can easily refute:

  • "Saying bad things about Islam is Islamophobic".

    What if those things are true, and well documented by Muslims themselves? Doesn't that make Muslim apologists Truthophobic?

  • "Islamic terrorism is caused mostly by US policy in the Mideast"

    Then how do you explain Islamic murder of random innocent people in Denmark, Sweden, Germany, Argentina, Russia, Nigeria, Kenya, India, China, Thailand, Bali, the Phillipinies, etc? They had nothing to do with US policy in the Mideast.

    It is, however, valid to point out that Islamic terror in each country generally followed Saudi funding of Wahhabi madrassas (Koranic schools) in that country, and that America always supports Saudi Arabia no matter what they do. So it is Americas fault to some degree, for supporting Saudi Arabia. And it is also true that George W Bush's attack on Iraq in bogus "retaliation" for the Saudi attack on America on 9/11 greatly inflamed the existing problem. Bush should be in jail for starting a war under false pretenses.

  • "American wars are also terrorism"

    No, terrorism is the deliberate murder of random unarmed civilians. America does not try to kill civilians. If we did try, they would all be dead.

    The only reason we are not all dead is that the Islamic world is so weak and ineffective.

  • "Islamic terrorism is caused by inequality and poverty"

    Not it's not. Most terrorists are fairly well educated and not poor. In fact, propensity to Islamic terrorism increases with income and education. Osama bin Laden was very rich.

    Islamic terrorism is motivated mainly by a desire to prove devotion to Islam to other Muslims, and to one's family. "See, look how many kuffar I killed! Aren't you proud?" The horrifying part is that most so-called "moderate" Muslims and the families of terrorists are indeed proud of the terrorists for "fighting back" against dirty unbelievers by killing random unarmed civilians, such as teen girls in Manchester.

  • "Muslims used to be more peaceful, so it's something we've done to them."

    No, Muslims were always this way. What's different is that now they can use the Internet, and especially YouTube, to share and amplify their resentment of all non-Muslims and their bomb-making techniques. Google helps terrorists by spreading terrorist ideology via YouTube.

    If you've done anything to offend Muslims, it's simply being part of a successful, generally happy and tolerant non-Muslim society, clearly proving that Islam is not only unnecessary, but obviously a huge impediment to success, happiness, and tolerance.

    "In March 1786, Thomas Jefferson and John Adams went to London to negotiate with Tripoli's envoy, ambassador Sidi Haji Abdrahaman (or Sidi Haji Abdul Rahman Adja). When they enquired "concerning the ground of the pretensions to make war upon nations who had done them no injury", the ambassador replied:

    "It was written in their Koran, that all nations which had not acknowledged the Prophet were sinners, whom it was the right and duty of the faithful to plunder and enslave; and that every mussulman who was slain in this warfare was sure to go to paradise. He said, also, that the man who was the first to board a vessel had one slave over and above his share, and that when they sprang to the deck of an enemy's ship, every sailor held a dagger in each hand and a third in his mouth; which usually struck such terror into the foe that they cried out for quarter at once.[25]

    Jefferson reported the conversation to Secretary of Foreign Affairs John Jay, who submitted the ambassador's comments and offer to Congress. Jefferson argued that paying tribute would encourage more attacks."

    Note the year, 1786. The Constitution was created in 1787, and ratified in 1788. The reason we have a Constitutional republic is largely to enable Congress to raise an army and navy, and the reason America needed that was largely because Islam says what it says.

    See https://patrick.net/1306992/2017-06-05-saudi-arabia-egypt-bahrain-uae-cuts-off-diplomatic-relations-with-qatar#comment-1416821

  • "Christians are terrorists too"

    So rarely as to make the comparison comical. The difference is about 1,000-fold. For every Christian attack on an abortion clinic there are about 1,000 Islamic attacks on random people. See http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

  • "Christianity also teaches evil things"

    No, Jesus himself did not rob, rape, or kill anyone. Mohammed robbed, raped, and killed lots of people. For just one example of many, Mohammed murdered Safiya's father, then tortured her husband to death to get him to tell the location of his money, then raped her the same day, according to Islamic history.
    There is no exhortation to hate in the New Testament, but butt-hurt resentment of non-Muslims is the main theme of the Koran and the hadith. See https://patrick.net/Islam

    It is true that the Old Testament has some similarities to Islam in its very harsh punishments for violating its rules, and some genocidal wars.

  • "Islam is tolerant of other religions"

    No, Islam allows Jews and Christians to remain alive (outside of Saudi Arabia) but only if they pay an annual ransom (jizya) to Muslims under deliberately humiliating conditions, and "feel themselves subdued". Hindus, athiests, and members of other religions are officially not allowed to live at all, and must be killed, according to Islam. No other religion is allowed to exist in Saudi Arabia. No synagogues or churches, no torahs or bibles allowed.

    Anyone who leaves Islam must also be killed, according to Islam. And this is actually the law in many Islamic countries.

  • "But Jesus is part of Islam too"

    Not the same "Jesus" at all. Muslims believe that Jesus was a Muslim first of all, and was never crucified and reject the whole story about his redeeming mankind with his own sacrifice. They also believe he will come back in the final days to kill the Jews. They use the name "Isa" and say he is the same Jesus, but he's obviously a totally different guy with far different ideals. They do not include the gospels at all in their beliefs.

  • "But I have good Muslim friends. They would not murder people."

    Of course, most Muslims are better human beings than Muslims. If they are friends with you at all, they are already violating Islam, for the Koran says (5:51) - "O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends. It's good to be friends with them, and to tell them the truth about Islam because they will listen if you are friendly and don't make it about them personally.

  • "Muslims tell me that Islam doesn't teach those awful things"

    Lying to non-Muslims is officially a praiseworthy part of being a Muslim. Muslims are encouraged to lie about anything that makes Islam look bad. You can easily look up the truth for yourself. See http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/ for a good introduction to the truth.

  • "Terrorist are not real Muslims"

    Sorry, but they are actually very authentic Muslims doing what their religion commands them to do. Who are you to tell them they are not Muslim? They are giving their lives for Islam by killing unbelievers. At least they are honest about it. If they are not Islamic, then Mohammed was not Islamic either. The head of ISIS has a PhD in Islamic studies. He knows exactly what he's doing and why.

    If someone says "radical Islam", you should ask them which version of the Koran these radicals are reading and acting on. Is it any different from the moderate Muslims' Koran?

  • "Most Muslims are not terrorists"

    True, but most terrorists are indeed Muslim, and most "moderate" Muslims have sympathy for radical Muslims' terrorist attacks. And so we have the saying "Radical Muslims want to kill you. Moderate Muslims want radical Muslims to kill you."

  • "It's racist to talk about the connection between Islam and terrorism."

    No it isn't. Islam has made murderers out of people of all races. It's very egalitarian that way. Chinese Muslims murder random non-Muslims in China, and Nigerian Muslims murder random non-Muslims in Nigeria. The only thing they have in common is the Islamic teaching to hate and murder non-Muslims.

  • "We need to open our doors to refugees"

    No, Muslim countries need to open their doors to Muslim refugees, especially oil-rich Muslim countries. The majority of so-called "refugees" are angry young men looking for easy money and easy women in the West. The legitimate Muslim refugees are nonetheless still infected with a very dangerous virus of the mind, and their children often grow up with hate for the host countries that generously took in their parents, such as the Manchester bomber who blew up all those teen girls.

  • "The principal victims of Islam are other Muslims"

    This is true. But we are talking about protecting ourselves from Islam here.

  • "You're more likely to get attacked by a shark than murdered by a terrorist"

    Nope, there are only about 20 shark attacks per year, and Islamic terrorist attacks kill tens of thousands worldwide and are increasing exponentially.

  • "The constitution forbids excluding Muslims based on religion"

    No, the constitution forbids the government from establishing a state religion. Non-citizens may be excluded from entry for any reason or no reason at all. Islam is more than just a religion. It is a violent subversive political movement which demands that secular government be overthrown and replaced with sharia. We banned communists for decades for much less violence and subversion.

  • "It's pointless and dangerous to offend a billion Muslims"

    No, it's more dangerous to shut up and let your family and civilization die because you were merely too sensitive to speak the truth in time. Muslims are human beings. Deep in their core they know that there is something very wrong with Islam, and they need encouragement from millions of honest people to admit this so that they can free themselves and rejoin the rest of humanity. If you speak with respect and sincerity, they are likely to listen.

    They never hear the truth about Islam in their home countries, so it's up to us. Speak up or die.

  • "There is nothing you can do"

    OK, then Islamic atrocities are now to be expected and tolerated and there is no reason to be alarmed. Please continue moving toward the slaughterhouse in an orderly manner.

Here are some nonviolent ways we can end Islamic terrorism in the West: End all Islamic immigration, instantly revoke citizenship and deport all members of the extended families of anyone who commits terrorism in the West (this idea was proposed by an English Muslim in the wake of the Manchester bombing), allow freedom of speech about Islam, and stop teaching that Islam is a religion of peace, because it is not. And Trump has a good line: Islamic terrorists are losers, so call them that.

If you want to take the long view, stop using foreign oil, and demand that we cut off all diplomatic relations with the ultimate source of almost all terrorism: Saudi Arabia.

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161   curious2   2017 Jun 6, 5:57pm  

rando says

Musa Jibril simply spouts the [ISIL/Daesh] arguments, which is essentially identical to the official Saudi Wahhabi theology.

PM May is trying to use him as an excuse to increase government power to censor the Internet while continuing to empower and spread Islam. Britons should resent that. It reminds me of Democrats trying to use jihadi gun attacks as an excuse for gun control (disarming Christians), while deliberately omitting the fact the jihadis had bombs too. And of course the Democrats' nominee for VP, who deplored the "gun violence" at Ohio State, which consisted solely of a Police Officer shooting the jihadi refugee who had been in the process of running over and stabbing teenagers. Blaming the Internet (as Rew did above) is another way to deflect blame away from where it belongs: on the dead charlatan Mohamed and his hateful fraud of Islam. The problem is Islam itself, and western leaders' failure to denounce it, not a lack of censorship. Continuing to support KSA while also taking away western liberty is working for the wrong side.

162   MisdemeanorRebel   2017 Jun 6, 6:14pm  

Strategist says

Just wait until they get their hands on a nuke or two. There are hundreds of nukes hidden away in Pakistan.

This is the worst thing Nixon did, sadly. The Indians would have subdivided Pakistan into 3-5 little statelets, each barely able to function and neither wealthy nor strong enough to develop nukes.

163   Patrick   2017 Jun 6, 6:17pm  

Nixon gave Pakistan nukes?

Or you mean he prevented Pakistan from being subdivided? Actually, Pakistan subdivided itself, massacring about a million of their Muslim "brethren" in East Pakistan, now Bangladesh. Oh, and raping hundreds of thousands of women.

Lol, Islam.

164   Rin   2017 Jun 6, 6:21pm  

rando says

Nixon gave Pakistan nukes?

Or you mean he prevented Pakistan from being subdivided? Actually, Pakistan subdivided itself, massacring about a million of their Muslim "brethren" in East Pakistan, now Bangladesh. Oh, and raping hundreds of thousands of women.

Lol, Islam.

Hey Pat, you may want to get yourself an anonymous account w/ a VPN, instead of your real name, when discussing Islam frankly.

And I'm not joking.

I have sources which have told me that American Hindus, who'd made even cursory statements about the religion of peace in public, were hounded by stalkers.

165   Patrick   2017 Jun 6, 6:31pm  

I think at this point there are millions of people starting to speak the truth about Islam.

I doubt I'm important enough to worry about.

It's only when almost no one will stand up and speak the truth that truth-tellers are in real danger. Like in pretty much every Islamic country.

166   CBOEtrader   2017 Jun 6, 6:40pm  

rando says

Now you're really stretching.

Thats dan's entire schtick.

167   MisdemeanorRebel   2017 Jun 6, 6:42pm  

rando says

Or you mean he prevented Pakistan from being subdivided? Actually, Pakistan subdivided itself, massacring about a million of their Muslim "brethren" in East Pakistan, now Bangladesh. Oh, and raping hundreds of thousands of women.

Yes, he prevented it from being subdivided and made too weak and poor to develop Nukes. Bangladesh wasn't enough, though it was a start. India could have had controlled puppets in 3-5 different statelets with lots of internal struggles. If one statelet got too powerful or stable, instigate a border war or fund the controlled opposition or bribe some generals to stage a coup.

We need Balochistan, Sindh, Punjab and maybe "Pashtu Assholia (NWFP)" to exist.

168   Strategist   2017 Jun 6, 6:51pm  

rando says

I think at this point there are millions of people starting to speak the truth about Islam.

I doubt I'm important enough to worry about.

It's only when almost no one will stand up and speak the truth that truth-tellers are in real danger. Like in pretty much every Islamic country.

Criticism precedes Change.
Executing anyone for criticizing Islam was probably the most brilliant approach used by Mohammad to ensure Islam remains in control of the masses. It has worked brilliantly so far, but now we are in the internet age. It's very difficult to control what is said on the internet. Every Muslim child, sooner or later, will be exposed to the truth about Islam and Mohammad. They will see the truth about Islam, start questioning the sharia laws, and many will dump Islam. The days of Islam as we know it are numbered.
My fear are the spread of powerful weapons that Islamists are no doubt working day and night at acquiring.

169   curious2   2017 Jun 6, 7:00pm  

Strategist says

the spread of powerful weapons that Islamists are no doubt working day and night at acquiring.

It's a race against time.

One way or another, the west must persuade Muslims to give up Islam before Muslims acquire the capacity to impose Islam upon the west. Sadly, Nixon's deals have given KSA so much influence over western politicians that we might lose.

The current expedient of appeasing and bribing Muslims only makes Islam stronger, as President Jefferson warned. Containment and the MAD doctrine worked against atheist communists, but would not work against suicidal Muslims.

170   Rin   2017 Jun 6, 7:00pm  

Strategist says

Executing anyone for criticizing Islam was probably the most brilliant approach used by Mohammad to ensure Islam remains in control of the masses. It has worked brilliantly so far, but now we are in the internet age.

Still, until I'm admitted to a top tier medical school, I need to remain anonymous.

Afterwards, Rin-Wah law will be revealed to the world as the correct path for men!

171   Strategist   2017 Jun 6, 7:10pm  

curious2 says

Strategist says

the spread of powerful weapons that Islamists are no doubt working day and night at acquiring.

It's a race against time.

One way or another, the west must persuade Muslims to give up Islam before Muslims acquire the capacity to impose Islam upon the west.

Just imagine.....The very country that harbored Osama Bin Laden and promotes terrorism, is the same country that has hidden away hundreds of nukes.
They tell us the nukes are safe, but all it takes is one of their radicals or a corrupt official to hand a nuke over to the terrorists, and it's a catastrophe for us.

172   Strategist   2017 Jun 6, 7:14pm  

Rin says

Still, until I'm admitted to a top tier medical school, I need to remain anonymous.

Afterwards, Rin-Wah law will be revealed to the world as the correct path for men!

I wish you the best, but why does it have to be a top tier school? What if you never get in and had the opportunity to get into a second or third tier school, but did not take it? You will regret it forever.
My suggestion....Go for the best you can get into, and don't look back.

173   Rin   2017 Jun 6, 7:19pm  

Strategist says

I wish you the best, but why does it have to be a top tier school? What if you never get in and had the opportunity to get into a second or third tier school, but did not take it? You will regret it forever.

Dude, I'm applying as a rainmaker, not as some typical middle class shrub.

This is similar to the same category which Al Gore and George W Bush had used, to get into their elite schools, despite being fucking idiots. The difference in this case is that I'm the money man, not my parents. And I can kick the collective asses of Gore, Bush, and Kerry in any academic contest.

174   MisdemeanorRebel   2017 Jun 6, 7:19pm  

"Okay guys, we're about to land on Utah Beach

Gonna keep it short and sweet for you Fellahs. Remember that Germany is a Nation of Peace and Not All Germans Are Like That. You have to understand how through no fault of their own, the Germans have been pushed into Violence by Historical Circumstances beyond their control. Let's also remember that slavery was legal 100 years ago in America Now let's go! Go! GO!"

#ShitThatNeverHappened #SJWDDay

175   Rew   2017 Jun 6, 9:21pm  

Strategist says

You are comparing crime with terrorism.

I showed the murders post 911, committed in the name of a radical political ideology on US soil. Terrorist acts are, de-facto, crimes.

I understand though. You want it to be an actual bigger cultural/religious war. Many, on both sides, do.

Strategist says

I like Trump's strategy of making the Muslims take the lead in going after radical Islamic terrorists.

You really believe Qatar is taking the fight to the terrorists with the most potential and desire to do us harm? That's pretty stupid and blind to the politics of the region.

Saudi Arabia just met our poof haired silver spoon debutant, he purred like a kitten for them, and they realize they can get away with things they could never have under the Obama reign. That's why KSA and her allies have black marked Qatar. Now, wait and watch for a reaction from Iran.

You are so stupid if you believe anyone on Earth is safer because of Trump. The Middle East is now destabilizing further, because of Trump's very visit, and ... by the way ... very unlikely Israel is anxious to help us with any regional intelligence because we are so incompetent with who it gets to.

176   Rew   2017 Jun 6, 9:27pm  

TwoScoopsMcGee says

"Okay guys, we're about to land on Utah Beach

Gonna keep it short and sweet for you Fellahs. Remember that Germany is a Nation of Peace and Not All Germans Are Like That.

By the time D-day arrived Germany had conquered most of Europe and North Africa. No one was saying this about them at the time.

What people are saying about Germany right now though, well, they are pretty much the key reason Europe is holding together still.

What is the world saying about the US? Oh, that we are backing away from all our allies, not supporting NATO, and stepping back from being the key nation leading the world.

We, the United States, should be ashamed on this D-Day for what we are doing to Europe. I know my Father is, my uncle is, and if my Grandfathers were alive, they would be too.

177   MisdemeanorRebel   2017 Jun 6, 9:46pm  

Rew says

We, the United States, should be ashamed on this D-Day for what we are doing to Europe. I know my Father is, my uncle is, and if my Grandfathers were alive, they would be too.

The only Europeans who should be proud right now are the Poles and Hungarians. They turned back several Islamic Invasions, while Germans and French were infighting and supplying Ottomans with arms for profit.

They were also abandoned by Western Europe in WW2 and the aftermath.

Who is bringing the Muslims into Europe?

Who broke Dublin to invite them in, and now insisting everybody follow Dublin when it comes to distributing them?

While lying about Europe being a Union, when it's really the 4th Reich, with Eastern and Southern Europe as colonies?

Since when does the West treat a dangerous ideology almost wholly consisting in adherence of Foreign Immigrants and their immediate offspring with kid gloves?

Right now, those who recognize the dangers of Islamism are the Churchills of the day. Churchill was lambasted for warning about Hitler as a warmongering, out-of-touch, Chicken Little Scaremongering Old Fool throughout the 30s. Not just in the UK, but in the US and France as well. Because of Fascism Denialists, the UK was literally almost wiped out. It was saved at the last minute because some sneaky old Tories and some radical Commies hid the Chain Home Radar in a budget bill.

178   Rew   2017 Jun 6, 10:11pm  

TwoScoopsMcGee says

Since when does the West treat a dangerous ideology almost wholly consisting in adherence of Foreign Immigrants and their immediate offspring with kid gloves?

It happened right when we found it could be more advantageous to keep regional instability, and unscrupulous allies, instead of building stability (Our WWII inheritance and new role as capitalist imperialists). The point is, we have always been tolerant of distasteful regimes and idealogy when is serves us. Just like any other nation. But, if you like a more contemporary example, it happened when we, the US, repeatedly invaded countries with no plans to rebuild thereafter, setting off instability on scale orders even we didn't really have the will to do anything about.

For Europe, as soon as there wasn't enough will and unity to act to do something to counter the first great climate refugees of the 21st century (Syria), it happened. Europe's inability to act was caused by the Global Financial meltdown and austerity programs they inflicted on Eastern Europe.

If America doesn't want to be the central nation, helping hold world order together, and be the beacon to the rest of the world, not only will the world suffer, but so will we. It could get darn barbaric, real fast, real soon.

We have a lot less to feel proud of right now. A lot lot less.

179   curious2   2017 Jun 6, 10:32pm  

Rew says

climate refugees

You mean the "climate" of NATO raining bombs on their countries, while Saudis were showering Sunni Militias with money and weapons, and DoS and CIA ran a rat line funneling weapons from Libya to Syria and blood everywhere, that "climate" produced refugees. That's almost as euphemistic as when you forgot the 3,000 Americans killed on 9/11.

Also, over 1,000 years, the "climate refugees" seem always to be Muslims moving into Christian countries, from the Moors and Saracens to the MENA today. Somehow you never see Buddhist or Christian or Hindu "climate refugees" finding shelter in Muslim countries. That must be some sort of Islamic astrophysics, I think it's called hijrah.

180   Rew   2017 Jun 7, 10:49am  

curious2 says

You mean the "climate" of NATO raining bombs on their countries

No, I mean exactly what I said. Climate refugees. Syria is an entire country which descended into chaos because it couldn't cope with a massive drought. (drought -> farmers cannot make a living -> migrate to cities -> unemployed and economically destitute -> desperation and unrest -> civil war) That is the primary causation of the Syrian civil war. Any and every side, thereafter, is simply a political interest overlaid on-top of that perpetuating framework.

181   FortWayne   2017 Jun 7, 10:57am  

Stop voting for Democrats who pander to terrorists

Easiest solution

182   Rew   2017 Jun 7, 11:02am  

FortWayne says

Stop voting for Democrats who pander to terrorists

Easiest solution

Our foreign policy and national defense vary by insignificant measures depending on who (D or R) is in office. These things are really unchanged no matter who is at the helm.

But that's a nice R talking point you have there.

183   MisdemeanorRebel   2017 Jun 7, 11:02am  

Fantastic News:

The Met Police have arrest 25 for hate crimes over the past two days. That's more than those suspected of having a role in the recent attacks.

Glad Khan's priorities are straight.

Meanwhile...

A NURSERY worker was stabbed on her way to work by three girls shouting “Allah will get you”, it has been claimed.

The victim was walking down Wanstead High Street at around 9.30am today (Wednesday, June 7) when she was attacked by three girls.

Her boss, manager of Little Diamonds Nursery in Hermon Hill, Karrien Stevens, said: “She got to the Hermon Hill traffic lights when she was attacked from behind by three girls who pulled her to the ground.

“They started kicking and punching her and then took out a knife and slashed her arm.

“Apparently they were shouting parts of the Qur’an saying things like ‘Allah will get you.”

The nursery boss said the attackers ran off when a man came to rescue the woman, aged in her 30s, and take her to work.

Ms Stevens added: “When she got to work we couldn’t believe it and called the police straight away.

“It’s terrible, I’m absolutely horrified.

“You don’t expect something like this to happen on your doorstep.”

The stabbing comes four days after the terror attacks in central London when three attackers drove into people at random on London Bridge before stabbing innocent victims at random in restaurants and bars around Borough Market.

http://www.guardian-series.co.uk/news/15333331.Nursery_worker_stabbed_by_attackers_shouting__Allah_will_get_you_/?ref=twtrec
http://www.guardian-series.co.uk/news/15333331.Nursery_worker_stabbed_by_attackers_shouting__Allah_will_get_you_/?ref=twtrec

184   curious2   2017 Jun 7, 11:06am  

Rew says

No, I mean exactly what I said... Syria is an entire country which descended into chaos because it couldn't cope with a massive drought.

Wow.

Some of your other comments show a lot of enthusiasm for war, e.g. bombing Syria. I infer from those and your comment above that you probably supported the Iraq War. Based on that, I am guessing you've probably supported the war in Syria for years.

Most people would say the situation in Syria results from (a) the Iraq war, (b) ISIL, (c) Hillary's War in Libya funneling weapons into Syria via rat line, (d) the NATO/Saudi war in Syria. Certainly most Syrians blame America and foreign fighters.

You blame a drought. Not the military's fault, not the fault of the bombs, not the fault of government policy, not MIC, not any of your friends, nope, just weather. That's amazing. Many of the videos from Syria show fighters shooting at each other across verdant fields that nobody can harvest due to the shooting, but you don't see any of that at all, only drought.

Can you cite any well informed Syrians who agree with you? On a related point, can you name any American wars that turned out to be horrible mistakes?

185   socal2   2017 Jun 7, 11:13am  

curious2 says

Certainly most Syrians blame America and foreign fighters.

Who is "most"? Are you talking about Assad's minority clan that rules the country that blames our country?

Everything I have read and seen on Syria shows that the majority Sunni population blames Assad, Iran, Hezbollah and Russia for the massive destruction and violence.

The Syrian Arab Spring protests started peacefully until Assad started jailing and torturing to death children followed up by rubbling their cities and using chemical weapons. Too bad Assad's clan refused to peacefully share power to match the demographic reality of the country and has now radicalized a good chunk of the population who will turn to ISIS for support.

186   curious2   2017 Jun 7, 11:15am  

socal2 says

Who is "most"?

I add links after commenting. Surveys say 80%. I've already updated the original comment with the link.

Assad's clan have held power for decades, and protected hundreds of Christian churches btw. Meanwhile, our Saudi "allies" prohibit churches in KSA, and their Sunni militias kill Christians. If the Sunnis take control under Saudi influence, Syria will become more like KSA and that would be bad for the Christians, who are currently sheltering with Assad.

But anyway according to Rew it was all due to a drought. I am really curious what corner of the multiverse that world might exist in, maybe an alternate earth where people are bulletproof and bomb-proof.

187   socal2   2017 Jun 7, 11:18am  

curious2 says

N

Poll is nearly 2 years old.

188   curious2   2017 Jun 7, 11:21am  

socal2 says

Poll is nearly 2 years old.

The Syrian war started 7 years ago, over the pipeline deals. The Iraq war started 14 years ago, over alleged WMD. Can you find any evidence that Syrians have changed their minds in the last two years about what started the wars a decade ago? And can you find anything that says they blame a drought? That was the context that you jumped into, Rew claimed it's all due to the weather, nothing we can do about the weather other than spread terrorists, making the European "climate" more like the Syrian "climate".

189   joeyjojojunior   2017 Jun 7, 11:25am  

And the poll doesn't ask the correct question. "Is US responsible for ISIS" is different than "Is the US the cause of the war."

190   FortWayne   2017 Jun 7, 11:25am  

Rew says

FortWayne says

Stop voting for Democrats who pander to terrorists

Easiest solution

Our foreign policy and national defense vary by insignificant measures depending on who (D or R) is in office. These things are really unchanged no matter who is at the helm.

But that's a nice R talking point you have there.

D - oh they are not our enemies, muslims good people bring them here as much as possible.
R - immigration ban from muslim extremist nations.

Yeah those are are same in your book I guess right...

191   joeyjojojunior   2017 Jun 7, 11:26am  

http://www.smithsonianmag.com/innovation/is-a-lack-of-water-to-blame-for-the-conflict-in-syria-72513729/

This is likely the article Rew was referencing. Obviously impossible to prove root cause, but likely a contributing factor.

192   Ernie   2017 Jun 7, 11:26am  

curious2 says

The war started 7 years ago, over the pipeline deals. ... And can you find anything that says they blame a drought?

I do not think both of these are mutually exclusive. Perhaps drought (combined with highest reproduction rates in Middle East) and resulting poverty made fomenting the strife (by parties interested in pipelines) easier.

193   curious2   2017 Jun 7, 11:32am  

joeyjojojunior says

doesn't ask the correct question

It asks several questions, and if you follow the link you can download the questions and answers. If you can find a poll claiming they blame the weather, specifically a drought, then please do post that, it would help Rew achieve some credibility that he lacks currently.

For more about who's at fault, you can read further here.

194   joeyjojojunior   2017 Jun 7, 11:35am  

Yep--I read all the questions. None of which was "who do you blame for starting the war"

195   curious2   2017 Jun 7, 11:36am  

joeyjojojunior says

Yep--I read all the questions. None of which was "who do you blame for starting the war"

OK, find a survey asking the question in a way you would prefer, preferably asking about droughts.

joeyjojojunior says

contributing factor.

Again, I've seen videos from Syria showing fighters shooting at each other across verdant fields. It's tough to farm a free fire zone. Islam produces many problems, including birth rates that drive hijrah, but the current catastrophe results primarily from war.

Lots of places get droughts. California had a drought recently. If we had a war, you'd see the difference.

BTW, this is a thread about terrorism, which has been driving Islamic migration and jihad.

196   joeyjojojunior   2017 Jun 7, 11:38am  

It's not the way I prefer. It's the way you implied it was asked.

197   joeyjojojunior   2017 Jun 7, 11:41am  

You obviously misunderstand the theory. The hypothesis is that drought caused a lot of able bodied, young men to migrate to overcrowded cities. The kindling that could be easily set on fire, as it were.

Once the war started, it's not unusual that the chaos would cause some good land to go unfarmed. And that doesn't disprove the Smithsonian theory, either.

198   curious2   2017 Jun 7, 11:47am  

joeyjojojunior says

It's not the way I prefer. It's the way you implied it was asked.

As of 2012, when the war had barely started, most Syrians supported President Assad.

Can you please try to relate your comments to the OP topic, which is about terrorism, and try to find data rather than merely trying to find fault?

This little exchange began when Rew forgot 3,000 Americans killed by Islamic terrorists on 9/11, and blamed the Syrian war on drought rather than Islamic terrorism and misguided wars. He advocated spreading jihadis because they are "climate refugees" from the alleged drought, when in fact they are Muslims participating in hijrah driven by NATO at the behest of MIC and KSA influence. Please try to post something relevant, preferably with data.

joeyjojojunior says

You obviously misunderstand the theory.

I understand the "theory" all too well, and have read more than enough about it, as the current AGW grant bonanza has caused vast historical revisionism going back centuries. Sunshine and darkness are also contributing factors to almost everything that happens on earth but they are not particularly relevant to this thread. Droughts have happened elsewhere without producing these results.

199   MisdemeanorRebel   2017 Jun 7, 11:51am  

Also forgotten: Many "Moderate Jihadis" and ISIS groups came into Syria from Iraq.

200   Rew   2017 Jun 7, 11:51am  

curious2 says

Some of your other comments show a lot of enthusiasm for war, e.g. bombing Syria.

Yes, I am a globalist cuck.
Assad lost control of his country, and then brutally held onto power at the end of a rifle, repeatedly using chemical weapons on his own populations.

curious2 says

Most people would say the situation in Syria results from (a) the Iraq war, (b) ISIL, (c) Hillary's War in Libya funneling weapons into Syria via rat line, (d) the NATO/Saudi war in Syria. Certainly most Syrians blame America and foreign fighters.

Unfortunately popular opinion is often not a good indicator of reality, though I do blame the US in a large part for what has occurred, especially now.

Assad's failure to cope with domestic unrest, and cracking down on freedoms, reformation, and protest movements is where the civil war in Syria originated. ISIS wasn't around at this time. The Arab Spring came to Syria, perpetuated by a severe drought, and Assad lost control. International intervention into the region is only AFTER this took hold. ISIS is also an after effect, as ISI was essentially defeated, but found the Syrian chaos a soil it could regrow in.

curious2 says

Rew claimed it's all due to the weather ...

There are other factors, but the primary causation of the uprising against Assad is absolutely driven by lack of water and bad governance in dealing with it. Revolutions are things made from desperation.

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