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curious2 says

I did answer

No, you did not. I am just going to ignore you from now on.

So nobody here thinks collective punishment is immoral.

How about torture? Anybody here who does not approve of torture?

Hey, that's just like the war on drugs ! The harder they try to make it to get, people innovate and make meth labs. For everything else the price goes up as well as the killings. Win-Win for everyone !

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Not to mention ten times the suffering

FP says

So nobody here thinks....

You don't even read people's answers, and in any event you can't honestly assume what other people think if they don't bother answering you. We aren't your classroom, nor your assistants. You don't know what we think. You're merely being snarky, calling me a monkey again and trying to imply something about anyone whose answers you can't mock or who doesn't take your bait.

rando says

Terrorists know that they can count on protection for their terror-supporting Islamic families, terror-supporting Islamic mosques, and terror-supporting Islamic communities

I don't see anybody here calling for protection of terror-supporting entities.

rando says

A British Muslim pointed out that expulsion for families of terrorists is the answer, right after the Manchester attack. He knows what he's talking about.

Families - how extended? Expulsion where?
Exterminating all muslims will also solve the problem. Doesn't make it right.

rando says

Belief in Islam (and therefore belief in sharia, the opposite of all Western values) should be a disqualification to even set foot in the civilized world to begin with.

But many have already set foot.

TwoScoopsMcGee says

FP says

I am curious, how many people on this forum think that collective punishment is immoral?

If it's the relatives or friends of a terrorist, who knew the person to be radicalized and/or planning an attack, then their homes should be demolished and they should go to prison for "Failure to Report Terrorism". With wives and parents not getting an exception.

This stops the "Palestinian helps his family by gaining cash/payments for them through his 'martyrdom'" problem.

Here's the problem in the U.S., and all the Trumpcucks can learn something here, because y'all claim to want a return to "law & order". Although that seemed to get abandoned as quickly as any of the other promises like getting rid of Obamacare lmao.

The only way to protect our populace here at home is to abandon the Failed Losers War on Drugs. It is so costly and hasn't delivered as promised. Worst still, the State and their on the ground operatives (police, etc) lack the kind of solid information they used to find in abundance, when they were friends of the community, rather than the enemies they sign up to be, nowadays. The Christian Conservatives War on Drugs has caused so much terror domestically, and it's going to cost a lot more lives unnecessarily, if Islam finds its way to the U.S.

anonymous says

Hey, that's just like the war on drugs ! The harder they try to make it to get, people innovate and make meth labs. For everything else the price goes up as well as the killings. Win-Win for everyone !

While were on that tax thing - does that apply to an education as well ? Like in the public schools in - wait for it - wait for it - KANSAS and OKLAHOMA ! Some group of people and a state leader in each case sure made it more difficult - ooopps - that was cutting taxes and it still didn't work. Damn....

War on drugs reduced drugs and addictions by a lot.

And I have no idea about that Kansas thing, I don't live in Kansas nor give a damn about what they do there, not my state.

errc says

The Christian Conservatives War on Drugs has caused so much terror domestically, and it's going to cost a lot more lives unnecessarily, if Islam finds its way to the U.S.

Democrats advocated both policies; the war on drugs escalated during the Clinton administration, but candidate Trump campaigned saying let states decide what to do about cannabis. California voted essentially to legalize, so the problem comes from VP Pence and other establishment Republicans and Democrats. The distinguishing feature in 2016 in this context was the Democrats campaigned on celebrating and empowering and spreading Islam.