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sagacious1 says

why is there no discussion much less investigation of Donna Brazile? It is this type of biased reporting process, which creates mistrust amongst conservatives.

The party in power receives the most scrutiny for their dealings. I agree, that is also wrong, but to collude you would need to prove that the Hillary campaign sought out the questions themselves or in-fact used that knowledge.

If someone walks up to me on the street and offers me crack, I don't go to jail for drug use. Savvy?

If I go asking for information, or reply back to communications, "Yes, I love it. I'd love some crack." ... well ... it's clear I have a problem.

Edit: and yes, Donna Brazile should be prosecuted for her willingness to provide the information.

sagacious1 says

Political collusion is a direct assault upon a Democratic process, and steals from the electorate it's fair representation.

None occurred, the whole thing was a dishonest set up from the start, misrepresented in intent.
The person implementing the meeting was not at the meeting did not have any other function for the meeting other than misrepresenting who the meeting was for or the intent of the meeting.

Since nothing in it is legitimate or true, then the whole affair can be seen for what it was. Phishing for just this purpose and has no basis or grounds in reality.
Now had Liberals sent a Real representative from Russia with real intel against Hillary and the Trump campaign used that intel in secrecy rather than turning around and busting those that sent it to him to entrap them. Then there would be something here but there isn't.

I stand by this. 20 more Liberal prominent people will lose their job over this next bout of "Muh Russians".

You guys will look like Idiots AGAIN!

Tenpoundbass says

None occurred, the whole thing was a dishonest set up from the start, misrepresented in intent.

The person implementing the meeting was not at the meeting did not have any other function for the meeting other than misrepresenting who the meeting was for or the intent of the meeting.

So you have seen the email thread exchange in full then and understand intent for meeting better than the current representation by the NYT?

Even if it is entrapment, or being mislead, think about what that means. It doesn't matter. Not one gosh darn bit!

Let's put it this way, if the meeting was about assassinating Hillary, and multiple Trump officials came to it seeking to conspire to do such a thing, yet nothing in the meeting happened ... then what?

Your defense amounts to, "No no, that was just plotting. They didn't actually shoot anyone yet!"

Does this logic also apply to our intelligence war against would be terrorists? Do we simply wait until they commit the crime, even if they bungle their way through it. "The bomb didn't go off. Darn it! I thought we had him this time. You need to connect the green wire here doofus!"

Tim Aurora says

Your infatuation with anything Russian is intriguing at the least and stupid at the worst.

Liberals created ISIS which are the enemy of the Western culture worldwide. Obama and the Liberals perpetrated a full out assualt on the Western World. The war against us has been going on since Obama came in office. Russia tried to stop ISIS which is our enemy. And enemy of my Enemy is my friend.
Obama didn't prove himself to the western world that they are our friend. Hillary didn't prove she is Western Civilization friend, and Merkel sure as hell isn't showing the world.
Putin and China(Ironically) are the onlyones pulling for the West.
Sorry but you buttplugs just don't own the moral high ground on this you stupid sons of bitches. That has even made this whole "Muh Fucking Russians" that much more even hillarious.

It's like watching the Crocodile piss and moan to the Gods because the Lion stole his Hildebeest caucus.

Tim Aurora says

We Americans were fooled by Russians and elected Donald.

The election of Trump is far deeper than that. We definitely have to have a larger discussion around propaganda in the nation.

Most disturbing things right now is:
- we seem as a nation to not care much that a foreign power strongly reached into our democratic process, and one campaign accepted the offers of help
- a healthcare bill that will lose over 22 million people care, is not moving toward a more centrist position, it is moving to the extreme right

Rew says

So you have seen the email thread exchange in full then and understand intent for meeting better than the current representation by the NYT?

It was a hoax who's to say Trump's weren't and didn't have a well documented SOP for dealing with it, if that turned out to be the case.

Trump's are not Idiots. Good luck in wishful hand wringing fucktards. LOL!

Tenpoundbass says

Liberals created ISIS ...

America created ISIS. There is blame for both parties. We as a nation need to discuss that.

Rew says

- a healthcare bill that will lose over 22 million people care

Nobody gives a shit about the 30 million that were fined $3 because they couldn't afford $16K for the "Affordable Healthcare Act" so we don't give three Shits about those 20million indigent that have always had healthcare in this country unil the Liberals fucked it up for everybody.

Tenpoundbass says

Trump's are not Idiots. Good luck in wishful hand wringing fucktards. LOL!

The Trumps have not operated by any norms of previous political administrations taking office. They have not followed any of the traditional guidelines around ethics and operations.

We disagree on how "intelligent" they are. The above is absolutely true though. You can askany credible WH insider, from either side of the isle, and they will confirm.

Rew says

America created ISIS. There is blame for both parties. We as a nation need to discuss that.

Trump didn't and he's kicking RINOs and Salicious deviant Liberals out of Washington. It's great isn't it?

Tenpoundbass says

Nobody gives a shit about the 30 million

Oh no. We greatly care. I care a great deal.

I also care that one of the best policy moves the Bush administration put forward to deal with AIDS in Africa has been gutted and 1 million people there will go with out anti-retrovirals.

I care that the State Department itself (think of that as ANY non-military work/solution) has been gutted by 30%.

You know what the military said when they saw that? Essentially: You better give us a huge amount more money. We are going to need it.

Tenpoundbass says

Trump didn't and he's kicking RINOs and Salicious deviant Liberals out of Washington. It's great isn't it?

You absolve someone who was just a citizen at the time. Trump is not innocent. All Americans are 'guilty'.

Rew says

Tim Aurora says

We Americans were fooled by Russians and elected Donald.

The election of Trump is far deeper than that. We definitely have to have a larger discussion around propaganda in the nation.

Most disturbing things right now is:

- we seem as a nation to not care much that a foreign power strongly reached into our democratic process, and one campaign accepted the offers of help

- a healthcare bill that will lose over 22 million people care, is not moving toward a more centrist position, it is moving to the extreme right

Most people don't have time to worry about such bullshit, as we're just trying to survive. Where is all your concern over real issues that directly affect everyone? The War on Drugs has been a miserable act of suffering waged against the most vulnerable among us. Why is it that Democrats and their fanboys seem to never have the time to address such an important, and resolvable problem? I mean, it literally has the simplest of solutions, and a wide majority of the people agree that it's beyond time to resolve. Yet nobody cares to actually do anything about it.

It's to the point where I'm about to start rooting for nonstop no knock warrants to be served at the wrong address, and more and more people to be shot in the face by the Police State. Maybe then people will wake the fuck up and actually do something about it.

Rew says

The Trumps have not operated by any norms of previous political administrations taking office.

That's a great CNN quote.

Look G.W. Bush's NWO framework is not the Historical path this Nation chooses to follow. and is exactly why Clinton lost and there will never be another Obama again.

Every President has made the office contemporary to the people he served. Only since television to keep the illusion consistent has the Political theater of who it's done in Washington been important. We now know "How it's done in Washington, meant. Shut up don't rock the boat, pay your dues and you too will get millions from Industry lobby and will build 6 million dollar mansions in America's best Zip codes, while you preside over poorest districts in America.

Don't you Clowns dare lecture me on how it's done.

Trump was elected to Break that shit. Please stop embarrassing yourselves!

errc, it is of concern too. Absolutely.

We need to examine how on earth we have become a nation which imprisons people at such a high rate, and seemingly so unevenly in how the application of our 'justice' is applied ... especially for things like mandatory minimums on low level drug offenses.

I'm no fan of marijuana. I'm not for legalization, and realize I am in the minority of that. But the punishment doesn't fit the crime ... absolutely.

Tenpoundbass says

Trump was elected to Break that shit. Please stop embarrassing yourselves!

How can someone looking to push more privatization in military matters be your champion of being outside of monied influence? How can a back dealing real-estate mogul be the one above corruption?

Trump isn't a champion of the little people.

Trump is the direct election of business interest itself.

Rew says

sagacious1 says

why is there no discussion much less investigation of Donna Brazile? It is this type of biased reporting process, which creates mistrust amongst conservatives.

The party in power receives the most scrutiny for their dealings. I agree, that is also wrong, but to collude you would need to prove that the Hillary campaign sought out the questions themselves or in-fact used that knowledge.

If someone walks up to me on the street and offers me crack, I don't go to jail for drug use. Savvy?

If I go asking for information, or reply back to communications, "Yes, I love it. I'd love some crack." ... well ... it's clear I have a problem.

Edit: and yes, Donna Brazile should be prosecuted for her willingness to provide the information.

Let's be clear here...evidence of Donna's actions was revealed in March of 2016, and at that time the party in the White House were Democrats. Later, more direct evidence was revealed and nothing of consequence at that time nor today has occurred. Millions upon millions of voters disenfranchised by these corrupt actions and the result ......nothing. Committing a crime requires more than "willingness". It requires a willful action of known illegality, as was done in this case. As for the Clinton campaign...well, no one has so much as asked them about it. That would require an investigation, which would be prompted by the evidenced willful corrupt actions of Donna Brazile. Again, it is this type of party blindness on the part of the media which creates the mistrust amongst conservatives.

Well gee if the Liberals weren't making so much "Muh Russians" noise then maybe we could hear that. But that's not what's happening at all.
Any charged waged by Liberals is suspect you guys are not reliable unbiased resources. You've proven that over and over.
Not one Liberal has reported one single honest thing about the man.

You guys need to Step away from yourselves, and see your whole shitsling fest from the Eyes of the voters. It's creepy as Fuck dude.

Creepy enough that I'm willing to say I'll take Putin over any Liberal in Washington.

sagacious1 says

Again, it is this type of party blindness on the part of the media which creates the mistrust amongst conservatives.

I agree. The partisanship, and politics as a game, have destroyed our ability to function much at all, in the government.

Tenpoundbass says

Not one Liberal has reported one single honest thing about the man.

Completely false.

Tenpoundbass says

Creepy enough that I'm willing to say I'll take Putin over any Liberal in Washington.

Time to move to Russia.

Ethics and the willingness of the American parties to work together has been lost.

I'm sorry, but I do believe the lion's share of the blame has been with the obstructionist GOP. They have fallen pray to nothing short of an insurrection by Tea Party extremists, and Trump is the result of not having anything else to offer. The GOP didn't care who they elected as President. They wanted a turn at the wheel, seemingly, at all costs.

They've got it now.

"Let's be clear here...evidence of Donna's actions was revealed in March of 2016, and at that time the party in the White House were Democrats. Later, more direct evidence was revealed and nothing of consequence at that time nor today has occurred"

That's not true at all. The Dems lost the election, for god's sake. They disenfranchised a boatload of Sanders voters and paid the price--that was the consequence. Not to mention that the head of the DNC was sacked.

Nothing illegal occurred so there was never any possibility of legal action. DNC is a private organization and make up their own rules for nomination. They could literally pick someone in the back room with no primaries if they wanted. That obviously would not be the best way to win elections, but perfectly legal.

Rew says

sagacious1 says

Again, it is this type of party blindness on the part of the media which creates the mistrust amongst conservatives.

I agree. The partisanship, and politics as a game, have destroyed our ability to function much at all, in the government.

I would add the media to the fray as well, yet your comment is the most truthful, accurate one I have read on this forum yet.

Rew says

errc, it is of concern too. Absolutely.

We need to examine how on earth we have become a nation which imprisons people at such a high rate, and seemingly so unevenly in how the application of our 'justice' is applied ... especially for things like mandatory minimums on low level drug offenses.

I'm no fan of marijuana. I'm not for legalization, and realize I am in the minority of that. But the punishment doesn't fit the crime ... absolutely.

What crime is that?

Do you believe that the Government should be in the business of criminalizing Hemp and Cannabis?

sagacious1 says

I would add the media to the fray as well, yet your comment is the most truthful, accurate one I have read on this forum yet.

The News industries willingness to participate in the dirt fight is for sure a problem. They have suffered a shift in business due to catering to demand. American media appetite drove this to a degree. We MUST demand better and support better. $

I've subscribed to more news and donated to more causes this year than at any time in my life, prior, likely combined.

But, cries of "Fake News" and serious arguments being made on the backs of blogosphere propaganda? I'm sorry. Yes, the majority of mainstream outlets lean left. Always has and forever always will be. That doesn't lend any credence to Breitbart or FOX not amounting to state controlled media itself.

errc says

What crime is that?

Do you believe that the Government should be in the business of criminalizing Hemp and Cannabis?

Maybe not. I'm warming up to thinking I might be wrong.

Rew says

errc says

What crime is that?

Do you believe that the Government should be in the business of criminalizing Hemp and Cannabis?

Maybe not. I'm warming up to thinking I might be wrong.

Well, you were the one saying earlier that the people of this country need to address the propaganda problem.

And it's impossible to side with the Medicinal Flower prohibitionists, without being completely ensconced in propaganda. Information will set you free

joeyjojojunior says

"Let's be clear here...evidence of Donna's actions was revealed in March of 2016, and at that time the party in the White House were Democrats. Later, more direct evidence was revealed and nothing of consequence at that time nor today has occurred"

That's not true at all. The Dems lost the election, for god's sake. They disenfranchised a boatload of Sanders voters and paid the price--that was the consequence. Not to mention that the head of the DNC was sacked.

Nothing illegal occurred so there was never any possibility of legal action. DNC is a private organization and make up their own rules for nomination. They could literally pick someone in the back room with no primaries if they wanted. That obviously would not be the best way to win elections, but perfectly legal.

Actually corruption can be criminal, even more so than collusion, which for all practical purposes isn't even a crime ironically. The DNC is a private organization, yet it has interest in securing public governmental offices. For example, how did Donna Brazile obtain the questions for the National presidential nomination debates in advance? Were they simply given to her for some purpose such as to advance a public candidate running for high public office by CNN, or did she obtain them illegally in some manner? She was working for 2 private entities at the time, CNN and the DNC both with vested interest in the election. Taking something from an employer that is expressly forbidden take, can be considered theft. Using that stolen material to advance a public figure running for public office can be considered corruption.

Sure--if Brazile obtained the questions illegally, then that would be a crime. But the DNC helping one candidate over another isn't.

Guess I'll have to research treason.

joeyjojojunior says

Sure--if Brazile obtained the questions illegally, then that would be a crime. But the DNC helping one candidate over another isn't.

Just like when the Housing Bubble popped, maybe there wasn't prosecution because there were no specific laws broken.

People may be pretty stupid, but they're not blind, and it's not that hard to tell right from wrong.

As a political agnostic, I can see very clearly that the media and Deep State only ever cared about defeating Bernie. He is the outsider that the Status quo fears most.

All the bleating on about Trump is just low hanging fruit for their business model

"People may be pretty stupid, but they're not blind, and it's not that hard to tell right from wrong."

Yep--I think they way Sanders was treated had a lot to do with the Dem's problems.

"As a political agnostic, I can see very clearly that the media and Deep State only ever cared about defeating Bernie. He is the outsider that the Status quo fears most."

I agree with this too. Everyone knew Trump was only interested in winning--he didn't care about governing. And, at the end of the day, he would let the GOPe do whatever they want. Tax cuts for the rich. Free trade. Get rid of Wall St./big banks regulation. Sanders, on the other hand, wouldn't bow to the establishment.

hehehe

https://video.twimg.com/tweet_video/DEd57RBVYAEDTP3.mp4

Speaking of Historical context.

Ted Kennedy DID collude with the Russians to influence 1984 election.

http://thefederalist.com/2015/03/10/ted-kennedy-secretly-asked-the-soviets-to-intervene-in-the-1984-elections/

Tenpoundbass says

hehehe

People tend to tweet, when News Papers warn them, "We are going to go to print with this. Any further comment? Do you deny this?"

Small reporter fish got beat by big big formidable NYT.

:)