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tovarichpeter says

FAA wants to shrink airline seats even further

Don't they first need to shrink American's fat asses?

Watch the video in the link. United Airlines is pure evil. Once again, they recklessly endanger the life of a child and violate the federal law that states they must pay in cash twice the fair. More passengers need to know about this rule and assert their rights.

Glad I could help.

https://babylonbee.com/news/airline-says-it-will-cost-extra-if-you-want-to-bring-your-legs-onboard

At this point the safety of the seats is the least of my concern.

I probably wont fly ever again until all of the planes built during the DEI period are all retired.

Tenpoundbass says

At this point the safety of the seats is the least of my concern.

I probably wont fly ever again until all of the planes built during the DEI period are all retired.

All the recent incidents are pilot error. MCAS is a toss up, but you should know how to fly a plane in those two crashes. They didn't. American pilots did. They all dealt with MCAS and figured it out. There are checklists, but at some point you ignore and shut everything off that you don't "need" to fly.

I'm beginning to think the recent Korean air crash was a suicide by the Captain. Similar to the one where the German guy just flew into the mountain as the captain was taking a leak.

i don't think it was a bird strike. You land at the beginning of the runway with a gear up landing. You don't do a go around if it was a bird strike. Had clearance to land on the proper runway in sight. They should have been trained to lower the gear manually before being certified on the plane. Either way a straight on landing they would have stopped before the ILS system wall/burm if they used the full runway.

As far as seats being 6'3", it sucks. But I trust pilots and they're literally making the same planes over and over. No fan of DEI, but you're basically given "lego" instructions to build the plane. I don't think it's like the grocery store where they hire the local retard and they put the drain-o in the same bag as the lettuce.

If worried about DEI I wouldn't buy/drive a car either. You're kind of screwed if you're not gonna deal work with DEI BS. How you gonna transport yourself?

Bullshit! The planes are falling apart, and pilot error does nothing to mitigate my issue with DEI. The Pilots are DEI also. There's greater care to violate every passenger that walks through the terminals than is given to the flying and manufacturing those planes.

There was always the gamble playing the odds, when flying. The thoughts in back of your mind, what if your plane is one of the few statistics.
Now we got that plus, all of the DEI related bullshit, which carries greater odds, something will go wrong besides classic fear of flying issues.

tovarichpeter says

FAA wants to shrink airline seats even further

Tenpoundbass says

There was always the gamble playing the odds, when flying. The thoughts in back of your mind, what if your plane is one of the few statistics.
Now we got that plus, all of the DEI related bullshit, which carries greater odds, something will go wrong besides classic fear of flying issues.

The door on the 737 of recent vintage was the only manufacturing error. The others were 100% pilot error.

Who the hell is afraid of flying either? It literally is the safest form of transportation with hundreds of people. You'll die in your car before a plane crash. That's stats.

Safety aside you never know when or how you'll end up on the wrong side of the soup Nazi.
If you boarded a plane and some asshole picked an argument with you and it appeared to be escalating verbally from you as well as that person. You'll be kicked off the plane, if you question where you bag can and can't go, you be kicked off the plane. The stewardesses aren't even hot anymore. So it stings that Biff and Laquisha are pulling you off the plane because of your patriarchy. And not any common sense, deducing who's at fault.. The crew has way too much power to make any judgement call to throw you off. Even if the plane is over sold and someone more important than you ended up missing a seat. Chances are great you could be ejected from the plane to make room. None of this is hyperbole and happens all the time.

Flying used to be fun once upon a time.

I recall looking out the window and seeing dinosaurs roaming around.

oh wait, that's the twilight zone.

But, flying was still fun, and felt like a luxury experience almost.

Maniacs and terrorists ruined it and now it's a drag.

I had planned on doing a lot of traveling but I don't think it's going to happen.

that’s an old thread, Dan was still posting here. hope he’s all right

Obligatory: https://patrick.net/post/1343265/2022-01-08-are-you-overweight-obese-at-a-healthy

Tenpoundbass says

If you boarded a plane and some asshole picked an argument with you and it appeared to be escalating verbally from you as well as that person. You'll be kicked off the plane, if you question where you bag can and can't go, you be kicked off the plane. The stewardesses aren't even hot anymore.

Not sure what airline you're flying. 100 plus flights RT and I've never experienced this. Never seen anyone kicked off. Buy the right bags and know how to stow them in the overhead bin or under the seat. Stewardesses, at least one or two are hot on my flights. If you're sitting there with the dip shits that don't how to put bags away I'll chat is up with them or the pilots.

Gotta remember they deal with people that are first time fliers or maybe once every 5 years. Basically uneducated fliers. All 5 in my family is baggage in overhead and in the seat in 5 seconds. We put the bags in correctly. Every FA thanks us. I rarely pay for a drink on Southwest with 3 kids because we're not dumb asses and they appreciate it. Never cut off.

I don't like the seat size given my height, but it's more of how you behave with how you'll be treated thereafter. I can't get in an a argument with a fellow passenger. We're too fast. Some dip shit behind us can get their stuff in overhead. While my kids throw me their bags, literally and I just toss them up and they sit. Our routine is flawless.

Tenpoundbass says

The stewardesses aren't even hot anymore.

I remember those days. It's a crying shame.

WookieMan says

Gotta remember they deal with people that are first time fliers or maybe once every 5 years. Basically uneducated fliers. All 5 in my family is baggage in overhead and in the seat in 5 seconds. We put the bags in correctly. Every FA thanks us. I rarely pay for a drink on Southwest with 3 kids because we're not dumb asses and they appreciate it. Never cut off.

There's a lot of factors at play like how booked is the flight, the edgy combative POS and entitled white Karens factor. Here in South Florida there's no shortage of either of those groups. You can find yourself in a confrontation for your leg scraping against someone in an isle seat and didn't hear you mutter "Excuse me" under your breath. In the past the stewardess would have put small confrontations to rest by telling them to get in their seats.

I have seen flight attendants grab a bag that's already in the overhead bin, to put the bag of a last minute boarder, to put it in the luggage storage. The issue is the guy was there first and for what ever reason specifically traveled light so he wouldn't have to wait at the luggage carrousel.

Once the plane is in the air, they aren't as power tripping, but on the tarmac they sure asserting their authority over the most petty shit.
If you love flying Laquisha airways, on Tofu Dreg aircrafts more power to you.

Before there was the thought in the back of your head, the plane might crash. But the practical side of you realized that they were small statistics.
But the crappier the airlines gets, the more misserable the seats get, the angrier the sweathog fliers get, and the more autheritarian the staff gets, I'm like
"I don't even want to be here!".

Could you imagine going down on an airliner on today's economy flights thinking that to yourself the whole time.

My kid just flew to Oregon with a connecting flight through Pheonix. Unfortunately, that connecting flight was delayed for maintenance, so she got to the gate at Pheonix just a few minutes after they closed the door. Since no flights to Oregon until the next day, American Airlines put her up in a hotel and gave her a meal voucher. Funny thing is that the flight she missed sat at the gate for 2 hours for some reason. I do not know if they allowed the passengers to get off during the delay, but if so she could have been added to that flight. Ironically, her flight the next day was also delayed by about 45 minutes. She will be coming back in a couple of days, so I hope those delays were just bad luck and not something that is more common these days.

HeadSet says

She will be coming back in a couple of days, so I hope those delays were just bad luck and not something that is more common these days.

I've rarely been delayed and worst case 20 minutes because at Midway the deicer has to come to the plane. O'hare has this https://www.kimley-horn.com/project/ohare-centralized-deicing-facility/

We fly more in the winter, we're usually on time or early if anything. Not the best seats by far, but most our flights are 3-4 hours max from Chicago. That gets us to CA, MX, PR, FL and say Maine pretty quickly, usually non-stop.

If you travel a lot domestically Chicago is the spot to be if you can deal with this bull shit weather. Cancelled school tomorrow already. No snow either. -35ºF wind-chill temps. I don't have to go outside though at least.

Southwest is also reliable because it's just the 737. Obviously different models/varients, but easier to maintain if that's what your staff and pilots only fly on. So I feel extremely safe on them, hence why I get pissy on the Boeing thread. They're safe planes. If your pilots need to get certified in different classes of planes that's where the problems begin.

It's why I don't fly United, American or Delta. Spirit and Frontier are manageable if you know what you're getting into, but those are the worst seats of any airline.

MolotovCocktail says

Won't happen. Even lightweight passengers are a lot of weight. Figure a carry on? Checked bag? If you increase capacity 20% these planes were not designed for that weight. They'd have to install new engines that would take 5-10 years to recoup the costs of the engines and new seats. Then passenger satisfaction would go way down.

Maybe it would work in Europe, but not working in the states. If it's a dedicated short route and the plane needs work, you're screwed and lose money on those short routes. Potentially for weeks. I'm not riding one of those going to San Diego or Puerto Rico.

WookieMan says

They'd have to install new engines that would take 5-10 years to recoup the costs of the engines and new seats. Then passenger satisfaction would go way

The seats weigh 50% less, so no new engines. They plan on saving fuel, actually.

WookieMan says

Then passenger satisfaction would go way down

Since when do they give a shit? Especially United.

WookieMan says

I'm not riding one of those going to San Diego or Puerto Rico.

They are supposedly only going to be used for flights 20 min or less. Basically flying busses crammed like an Asian subway car.

But I agree. I am not sure this dog will hunt in the US even if the FAA will approve.

MolotovCocktail says

WookieMan says

They'd have to install new engines that would take 5-10 years to recoup the costs of the engines and new seats. Then passenger satisfaction would go way

The seats weigh 50% less, so no new engines. They plan on saving fuel, actually.

Human weight. https://www.healthyforlifemeals.com/blog/average-weight-of-men-women#:~:text=Average%20Weight%20and%20Body%20Mass,for%20women%20is%20170.8%20pounds.

170lbs for women and 200lbs for men. This negates the weight savings of a seat if they have carry on or a checked bag. The seats don't weigh that much anyway. Humans do. Pack more humans in and the balances get off. Just because the seats are "deemed" safe doesn't mean the plane is.

This might go in Europe or somewhere else, but in the US it's easier to drive instead of 1 hour or less flights. I can drive to St. Louis or Minneapolis in 4-5 hours on a tank of gas. Not getting on a plane that makes me stand up that will ultimately charge the same rates. This might be a top 10 dumbest ideas I've seen. Loser that can't afford flight except once every 10 years will bite at it though.