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Do you feel Caucasian pride? If so, will you elaborate about what you are proud of? If you are proud of certain things, do you feel shame for
other things? What percentage of your personal pride is tied up with your race? That is, when you think of your satisfaction with yourself, your life, and your accomplishments, what part of that satisfaction is due to identity with your race, and what part is due to other things like personal accomplishments, relationships, and what you have 'given back.'

I'm truly curious.

I don't know how I'd answer your question really. Nobody is going to knock on your door and start giving you shit about what you are proud of. So, in that respect, you have a right to be or feel proud of whatever you want. If you start expressing your pride, you become subject to judgement. How you are judged depends on what you are proud of and how you express it.

WorkInProgress says

Do white people have a right to have racial pride?

It is a meaningless question. No one can force you not to have pride in anything, including your shits. A right is a freedom that is guaranteed by the law. It is impossible for the law to guarantee you the freedom to have pride in anything. At the same time, no one can stop you from having pride in anything regardless of whether or not that pride is justified.

The real question is why should anyone have pride in their race? Races don't build things or create accomplishments. Individuals, coherent groups, nations, and cultures build and accomplish things. There are many cultures associated with each race as well as cultures that span races. Having pride in a culture makes sense. Having pride in a race is like having pride in having a social security number divisible by seven. It's arbitrary and meaningless.

YesYNot says

personal accomplishments, relationships, and what you have 'given back.'

It's fine to be proud of your personal accomplishments, relationships, and what you have 'given back.' To be proud of your RACE or NATIONALITY, not so much, simply because you did nothing to affect that. On that note,
being GAY is not an accomplishment.

Sure, why not? White people have done many great things: science, exploration, commerce, enlightenment ideals, the founding of America. There is quite a lot to be proud of if you identify with whites as a whole.

But I wouldn't go marching for white pride myself, because that would be just as deliberately inflammatory as BLM. Would rather just drop the topic of race entirely and simply be an American. That is the way toward peace.

Exception: I do march in St. Patrick's Day parades sometimes because it's a happy occasion and doesn't deliberately offend anyone. And I'm a Patrick!

rando says

White people have done many great things: science, exploration, commerce, enlightenment ideals, the founding of America.

This is true, but it has to do with western culture and scientific values, not how much melanin is in the skin. Being proud of the later is like being proud of wearing lab coats because most scientific advancements are made by people who wear lab coats.

I think all "racial pride" and ALL identity politics as a whole is an excuse to not examine and judge people as individuals.

It's extremely easy (yet inaccurate) to judge individuals based on their clan affiliation. It's much more difficult (yet exceedingly more accurate and fulfilling) to examine someone as an individual.

I've met leftist, conservatives, and libertarians that were extreme cunts, and vice-versa.

YesYNot says

Do you feel Caucasian pride? If so, will you elaborate about what you are proud of? If you are proud of certain things, do you feel shame for

other things? What percentage of your personal pride is tied up with your race? That is, when you think of your satisfaction with yourself, your life, and your accomplishments, what part of that satisfaction is due to identity with your race, and what part is due to other things like personal accomplishments, relationships, and what you have 'given back.'

I'm truly curious.

I don't know how I'd answer your question really. Nobody is going to knock on your door and start giving you shit about what you are proud of. So, in that respect, you have a right to be or feel proud of whatever you want. If you start expressing your pride, you become subject to judgement. How you are judged depends on what you are proud of and how you express it.

Ask a black person the same question and see if that is PC.

Dan8267 says

It is a meaningless question. No one can force you not to have pride in anything, including your shits. A right is a freedom that is guaranteed by the law. It is impossible for the law to guarantee you the freedom to have pride in anything. At the same time, no one can stop you from having pride in anything regardless of whether or not that pride is justified.

The real question is why should anyone have pride in their race? Races don't build things or create accomplishments. Individuals, coherent groups, nations, and cultures build and accomplish things. There are many cultures associated with each race as well as cultures that span races. Having pride in a culture makes sense. Having pride in a race is like having pride in having a social security number divisible by seven. It's arbitrary and meaningless.

It would sure seem like the media would turn your White Pride into a racist feeling that should be attacked at all costs.

komputodo says

It's fine to be proud of your personal accomplishments, relationships, and what you have 'given back.' To be proud of your RACE or NATIONALITY, not so much, simply because you did nothing to affect that. On that note,

being GAY is not an accomplishment.

So, all the accomplishments as a race should have no meaning?

Goran_K says

I think all "racial pride" and ALL identity politics as a whole is an excuse to not examine and judge people as individuals.

It's extremely easy (yet inaccurate) to judge individuals based on their clan affiliation. It's much more difficult (yet exceedingly more accurate and fulfilling) to examine someone as an individual.

I've met leftist, conservatives, and libertarians that were extreme cunts, and vice-versa.

This is a human trait. Gonna change? Don't think so.

Why shouldn't White People be allowed to have White Pride?

If you're that much of a failure in this life, that you don't have any of your own accomplishments to be proud of, by all means, glom onto the rest of us.

Personally, I'm more ashamed of other white people and their willful ignorance, unquestioned obedience, and inability to answer questions, and more importantly, their abandonment of free thought.

You have to take the good with the bad, and I'd much rather stand on my own two feet, than carry the burden of all the failed losers, just for the chance of a free ride piggybacking off the accomplishments of others.

I suppose pride is OK but the main problem with it (in todays culture) is that it is too much associated co-opted by the Neo Nazi KKK etc. who do have a very sinister past of intimidation, supremacy etc.

If I had to guess, I think that many of the aggrieved whiteys feel like they are being left behind and simply want a seat at the table the way other groups do. If caucasians as a whole were truly concerned about this, they would need to start a brand new group with different messaging and stance -- while standing in stark opposition to the white supremacy groups which are the recent focus in the news. Its a very tough line to walk - especially as whites represent 70% of the population - and probably 90% of the powerful.

If this is correct, in many ways, their message is pretty much identical to the "we are the 99% ers" from a few years past. The 99% ers were new, novel, and did get the attention they needed. Problem with such a broad group is that it is difficult to do the necessary follow up with concrete suggestions while not getting co-opted by all the other fringe parts that glomed on to the 99% ers who severely muddled the message - if they ever truly had a message other than being butthurt.

errc says

Why shouldn't White People be allowed to have White Pride?

If you're that much of a failure in this life, that you don't have any of your own accomplishments to be proud of, by all means, glom onto the rest of us.

Personally, I'm more ashamed of other white people and their willful ignorance, unquestioned obedience, and inability to answer questions, and more importantly, their abandonment of free thought.

You have to take the good with the bad, and I'd much rather stand on my own two feet, than carry the burden of all the failed losers, just for the chance of a free ride piggybacking off the accomplishments of others.

I think the media has a lot to say about whether or not you are able to have pride in your race. There is nothing wrong with it. If a family raised their children to marry within their own race, is that racist? These questions are connected.

WorkInProgress says

Ask a black person the same question and see if that is PC.

I'm asking you, because you made a new post asking this question after having made a similar point/question on other threads. It seemed like you wanted to start a conversation about it.

WorkInProgress says

So, all the accomplishments as a race should have no meaning?

What meaning do you ascribe to these accomplishments? Are you comparing accomplishments of different races and ranking the races based on contribution to society?

APOCALYPSEFUCK_is_ADORABLE says

Can we hate the SIEG! HEIL! and still love the siegheiler?

I don't see why not. We're clubbed over the head about loving the ghetto dwellers because ya know...white people and all.

WorkInProgress says

It would sure seem like the media would turn your White Pride into a racist feeling that should be attacked at all costs.

I'm proud of western culture. That has nothing to do with race.

As for the media and political correctness, the solution is to hit them where it hurts, the wallet. Boycott media that engages in witch hunts, and demonize them on the web. Make sure they know they are losing eyeballs and ad dollars by engaging in the witch hunts.

WorkInProgress says

So, all the accomplishments as a race should have no meaning?

What accomplishment has any race ever done? Accomplishments are done by individuals an non-arbitrary groupings of people. There are no accomplishments of people wearing blue shirts or people with an "e" in their name.

errc says

Why shouldn't White People be allowed to have White Pride?

There is no law prohibiting this. As for other people's opinions of your racial pride, they have a right to their opinion as much as you have a right to yours. I, for one, think the whole concept of pride in an arbitrary grouping that you have no control over and contribute nothing to is meaningless and silly.

Is it hypocritical for someone advocating black pride to call white pride racist? Absolutely. But both racial prides are nonsensical.

YesYNot says

WorkInProgress says

Ask a black person the same question and see if that is PC.

I'm asking you, because you made a new post asking this question after having made a similar point/question on other threads. It seemed like you wanted to start a conversation about it.

WorkInProgress says

So, all the accomplishments as a race should have no meaning?

What meaning do you ascribe to these accomplishments? Are you comparing accomplishments of different races and ranking the races based on contribution to society?

The point I'm making with you is that when the same question is asked of a black person and white person, one is a racist question and the other is not. According to our social climate and all. Because ya know...white people and all. If you can't see how the media is all about white people = bad and black people = oppressed, I feel sorry for you and your white children. If you have any. White guilt = genocide in the long run. No, I am not a racist.

Dan8267 says

I'm proud of western culture. That has nothing to do with race.

Hahahababababa!!! WTF?

WorkInProgress says

errc says

Why shouldn't White People be allowed to have White Pride?

If you're that much of a failure in this life, that you don't have any of your own accomplishments to be proud of, by all means, glom onto the rest of us.

Personally, I'm more ashamed of other white people and their willful ignorance, unquestioned obedience, and inability to answer questions, and more importantly, their abandonment of free thought.

You have to take the good with the bad, and I'd much rather stand on my own two feet, than carry the burden of all the failed losers, just for the chance of a free ride piggybacking off the accomplishments of others.

I think the media has a lot to say about whether or not you are able to have pride in your race. There is nothing wrong with it. If a family raised their children to marry within their own race, is that racist? These questions are connected.

As a freedom loving American, you will never in a million years See me Cuck myself by what the media has to say. Are you kidding me?

You do realize that white people were black before they were white. Fair skin is a telltale sign of your ancestry spreading from the equator and hiding out in caves. It also means you are more likely to buy into marketing that tells you "fear the sun!" "Buy this sunscreen to protect you from the dangers of The Sun". Enjoy your skin cancer, lol

I bleed like a stuck pig and sunburn in the shade and I am Oh So Proud!

errc says

You do realize that white people were black before they were white.

You're already cucked. Sad, so sad.

WorkInProgress says

Dan8267 says

I'm proud of western culture. That has nothing to do with race.

Hahahababababa!!! WTF?

Western culture is based on ideas not skin color. Nor is there any reason to believe that any of the founding principles of western civilization are at all based on or influence by European genes. We call it western cultural simply because the west is the origin of the culture, not because genetics are relevant to that culture. I don't see what the confusion is.

WorkInProgress says

if a family raised their children to marry within their own race, is that racist

as a minimum, family is completely stupid

Maybe a little more quantum mechanics and a little less boogey would help a few ethnic reputations.

Tim Aurora says

I am not white but still believe

* The white race has contributed immensly to Science, Literature and music

* It has propagated democracy
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* Notwithstanding slavery and colonization, some of them have propagated equality , now more than ever.

* Christianity has been a so-so religion in terms of exploitation but it has morphed into a very civil religion now.

* I have no problem in preserving the southern civil war culture . I do not think it is something horrific such as Nazism and it does not equate to slavery. Different times , different morality.

That said, I hate white supremacists, Russian interference in our democracy and of course KKK. I also do not like the people who cannot denounce them.

Ok, this seems like a very thoughtful commentary. Thank you for your contribution to the post.

Racism is ugly. Especially as by example of affirmative action.
Christianity went through a reformation. Any other religions do this?
The Civil War was about much more than slavery and they had every right to secede. I wish the entire country could be taught this.
A higher percentage of blacks owned slaves than whites did. Ooops, that sucks for the white haters.
Whites have been enslaved throughout history. History, get ya some.
Many countries still have slavery. How come we are, as a nation, so obsessed with our past? Especially since we ended it. Could it be the media?
America has done more for the liberty of all races than any other nation on earth. Why are we hating ourselves and our past? There is a lot to rejoice over.
The media is the message and the message is one-sided. "White people do not have a right to racial pride". "White pride is racist".
White pride does NOT = racism.

Diversity is not a strength. If it were, would we have so many groups working against each other?

drBu says

as a minimum, family is completely stupid

What? Bad childhood? Sorry to hear that.

Dan8267 says

Western culture is based on ideas not skin color. Nor is there any reason to believe that any of the founding principles of western civilization are at all based on or influence by European genes.

European civilization comes from Egyptians via Phoenician, Greek, and Roman iterations. Since Egyptians are not Europeans, then our civilization can not be based on influence of European genes.

Again depends. if you are saying whites are superior to all -blah, blah-you are entitled to your opinion and I will laugh at you.
Now if it just being proud of your race or nation or gender-fine, feminazis, blacks, browns etc all call their race out and are proud of it-why not?? To each his own. Asians though just conquer and don't worry about labels and pride-LOL

WorkInProgress says

Bad childhood?

If one's family tries to brainwash kids into thinking that he has to marry only into his own race, then the family is stupid and the child has a bad childhood for sure. Next step would be to take cranial measurements to determine suitability of wife or husband, and get a note from Gestapo that spouse's ancestors are not Jewish/Black/White/Asian.

drBu says

WorkInProgress says

Bad childhood?

If one's family tries to brainwash kids into thinking that he has to marry only into his own race, then the family is stupid and the child has a bad childhood for sure. Next step would be to take cranial measurements to determine suitability of wife or husband, and get note from Gestapo that spouse's ancestors are not Jewish/Black/White/Asian.

Again, whites are not allowed to have pride and must assimilate into a mixed race. There are differences in the races. Sorry if you cannot believe your lyin eyes. Or you lyin history.

How come only white dominated countries are being forced to accept diversity? All other homogeneous countries (or those who are trying to save their historical cultures) are racist?

WorkInProgress says

The point I'm making with you is that when the same question is asked of a black person and white person, one is a racist question and the other is not.

And I'm asking you to elaborate on what you mean. As you can probably see by my line of questioning to you, I think that a person's pride should be based on what they personally accomplish and do with their lives, and not based on the accomplishments of a group of people.

I'll address the black pride / white pride issue. It's not that white pride is racist and black pride isn't. Minority groups have been denigrated throughout our history in the US. To this day, people on this board will argue about whether black people are more violent or dumber than white people. So, throughout history through today, blacks in particular (all minority groups, though) are constantly being judged for every failure of their group. Black pride was or is an attempt by those to balance the negative messaging that black individuals constantly receive. I say was, because people don't talk about black pride as much as they used to decades ago.

WorkInProgress says

White guilt = genocide in the long run. No, I am not a racist.

I haven't decided if you are a racist yet, but you do seem paranoid. There is no movement to kill off white people. Further, as a member of the majority, you probably rarely if ever get judged by the color of your skin. My guess is that you do judge members of other races negatively, and you want to re-frame that as having white pride.

Now, are you going to address any of my questions?

WorkInProgress says

Again, whites are not allowed to have pride and must assimilate into a mixed race. There are differences in the races. Sorry if you cannot believe your lyin eyes. Or you lyin history.

My history says that nearly all of us are mixed race. I have some Asian ancestry from about 8 generations ago.

I also tend to believe that people who think that mixing race is bad are as stupid as ones who think that screaming about black pride is any different than screaming about white pride. I do not understand how can anyone be proud of someones' else achievements just because they tend to share skin or eye color, gender, or sexual orientation. The fact that Einstein was Jewish and white has no bearing on the white idiot who drove into crowd yesterday. The fact that Avicenna was Persian has no bearing on Ahmadinejad.

WorkInProgress says

Again, whites are not allowed to have pride and must assimilate into a mixed race.

Do you want to live in a whites only country? Do you want the US to be white only?

If so, from a practical matter, how do you think that goal should be accomplished?

YesYNot says

There is no movement to kill off white people. Further, as a member of the majority, you probably rarely if ever get judged by the color of your skin.

There is no movement at this point to kill of black people as well. White people are constantly being discriminated against in hiring. I have seen minority persons getting tenure with 1-2 publications, while whites and Asians need upwards of 10.

The only rational solution is to ignore race and judge people as humans ONLY.

WorkInProgress says

This is a human trait. Gonna change? Don't think so.

It won't change because identity politics is easy, aka lazy.

But if people want to stop being lazy about their interactions with people, they should drop it entirely.

drBu says

I have seen minority persons getting tenure with 1-2 publications, while whites and Asians need upwards of 10.

In what field is anybody getting tenure with 1-2 publications?

drBu says

There is no movement at this point to kill of black people as well.

True. I was responding directly to WorkInProgress's post where he claimed WorkInProgress says

White guilt = genocide in the long run

That seems pretty paranoid to me.

YesYNot says

In what field is anybody getting tenure with 1-2 publications?

Biology, physics, chemistry. More than one example, so this is an endemic problem. Asian/white males need 10 or more at those schools.

drBu says

WorkInProgress says

Again, whites are not allowed to have pride and must assimilate into a mixed race. There are differences in the races. Sorry if you cannot believe your lyin eyes. Or you lyin history.

My history says that nearly all of us are mixed race. I have some Asian ancestry from about 8 generations ago.

I also tend to believe that people who think that mixing race is bad are as stupid as ones who think that screaming about black pride is any different than screaming about white pride. I do not understand how can anyone be proud of someones' else achievements just because they tend to share skin or eye color, gender, or sexual orientation. The fact that Einstein was Jewish and white has no bearing on the white idiot who drove into crowd yesterday. The fact that Avicenna was Persian has no bearing on Ahmadinejad.

Who said race mixing was bad? I merely said it is not bad to not race mix.

Goran_K says

WorkInProgress says

This is a human trait. Gonna change? Don't think so.

It won't change because identity politics is easy, aka lazy.

But if people want to stop being lazy about their interactions with people, they should drop it entirely.

Ain't gonna happen. It's human nature. As natural as looking out for your own self interest.