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Yeah, but, there was some dude who said something racist in a K-mart the other day. That's much more important. Bankristocracy and Tech Godmen sometimes make these minor little mistakes, no biggie.

TwoScoopsMcGee says

Yeah, but, there was some dude who said something racist in a K-mart the other day.

I don't see how those two things are related. Exposing the racist's stupidity is just as valid as exposing the stupidity of Antifa, and for the exact same reason. Neither should be a distraction from other problems.

There has never been a time when only one problem plagued the world. You have to deal with multiple problems in parallel. That's just life.

Dan8267 says

There has never been a time when only one problem plagued the world. You have to deal with multiple problems in parallel. That's just life.

The moral outrage over one guy blathering about Mexicans will be in the Media and the minds of TDS sufferers far longer than Equifax, which will probably end up actually damaging far more families than a rant, is the point I'm trying to make.

I always kinda knew, but never really appreciated, how Moral Influence is such a key aspect of Elite Control.

TwoScoopsMcGee says

The moral outrage over one guy blathering about Mexicans will be in the Media and the minds of TDS sufferers far longer than Equifax, which will probably end up actually damaging far more families than a rant, is the point I'm trying to make.

That's a valid point, assuming that it's true. There should definitely be far more moral outrage over Equifax, Transunion, and Experian. There should also be more moral outrage over financial crime, which is rampant in the financial industry and banking. There should also be more moral outrage over American prisons, Gitmo, the militarization of the police, and domestic spying. I think that people have just come to accept that they can't change any of these things, so they stop expressing outrage over them.

However, if your point is that the left engages in identity politics over everything else -- and that's a valid point -- I must point out that the right also engages in just as much identity politics. Every time someone denies man-made climate change or its significance, that's identity politics because it's putting "my tribe" over scientific fact. All conservative tribes revolve around identity politics. It's the defining principle of conservatism. What's being conserved is identity.

Dan8267 says

That's a valid point, assuming that it's true. There should definitely be far more moral outrage over Equifax, Transunion, and Experian. There should also be more moral outrage over financial crime, which is rampant in the financial industry and banking. There should also be more moral outrage over American prisons, Gitmo, the militarization of the police, and domestic spying. I think that people have just come to accept that they can't change any of these things, so they stop expressing outrage over them.

Dan8267 says

However, if your point is that the left engages in identity politics over everything else -- and that's a valid point -- I must point out that the right also engages in just as much identity politics.

It's kinda related, but I was thinking more along the lines that framing what is or isn't morally important, is a major key to Control. Around 2008, the Media was focused on framing the Financial Crisis as something that nobody, not even the experts, could have seen coming, as if it were an act of nature more like a hurricane. The only individual they really paid attention to was Maddoff, who had little to do with MBS and the Housing Market, and primarily ripped off other very wealthy people, you couldn't give him your money unless you were already a (multi-) millionaire.

I always kinda knew, but never really appreciated, how Moral Influence is such a key aspect of Elite Control.

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I mean, Christians are generally nice people and all, but that they all always support Republicans without question all the time, is pretty much the reason our government is broken.

anonymous says

Of course, it will be up to the courts to decide whether arbitration agreements are enforceable.

The fuckers will also have to prove that it was the actual person who entered the last name and 6 digits of SSN and not the hackers who stole it in the first place. The only reliable proof is an actual document signed in front of witnesses. Everything else is BS.

Technology is pretty cool they said. It will solve all of humanities problems they said.

Tech is no different than armor vs. weapons. It is a constant battle. I think it gets worse and worse as time goes on. Look how they want all health records online. Endless DNA, retina information and fingerprints online.

Dan8267 says

There should also be more moral outrage over American prisons, Gitmo, the militarization of the police, and domestic spying. I think that people have just come to accept that they can't change any of these things, so they stop expressing outrage over them.

I agree. I'm thoroughly outraged.
American prisons. No A/C, heating, TV, or luxuries. It's a prison, not a resort.
Gitmo. Fill it up. Shoot the terrorists or send them to Gitmo. No terrorist must ever get out of Gitmo alive.
Police militarization. Ghettos are not Disneyland. You fight criminals and gangs with overwhelming firepower.
Domestic Spying. Spying is the best way to prevent terrorism and crime. No rights for terrorists and criminals.

Strategist says

American prisons. No A/C, heating, TV, or luxuries. It's a prison, not a resort.
Gitmo. Fill it up. Shoot the terrorists or send them to Gitmo. No terrorist must ever get out of Gitmo alive.
Police militarization. Ghettos are not Disneyland. You fight criminals and gangs with overwhelming firepower.
Domestic Spying. Spying is the best way to prevent terrorism and crime. No rights for terrorists and criminals.

Strategist is one jovial guy who makes silly jokes at barbecue parties - about nuking NK.

Who is watching the watchers?

Strategist says

I agree. I'm thoroughly outraged.
American prisons. No A/C, heating, TV, or luxuries. It's a prison, not a resort.

Your more concerned with revenge on people, many of whom are innocent, than you are with decreasing crime. This is why your opinion does not count.

All evidence shows that brutality increases crime, not decreases it. See this post and the following ones.

Get your revenge fantasies under control. You aren't that noble yourself.

Strategist says

Spying is the best way to prevent terrorism and crime.

Spying is also the best way to prevent reform and selectively prosecute people. If the level of domestic spying we had today had been around in the 18th century, America would never have gotten independence. Do you think that would have been a good thing?

We already know exactly what domestic spying does to a society. The Soviet Union demonstrated that very clearly. Do you want America to become another Soviet Union? The intelligence agencies have to prove their worth. When there are no threats, the spies have to torture innocent people into confessing to plotting to commit terrorist acts. This is EXACTLY what happened in the Soviet Union, very often. Is that what you want America to become?

lostand confused says

Who is watching the watchers?

Dan8267 says

We already know exactly what domestic spying does to a society. The Soviet Union demonstrated that very clearly. Do you want America to become another Soviet Union? The intelligence agencies have to prove their worth. When there are no threats, the spies have to torture innocent people into confessing to plotting to commit terrorist acts. This is EXACTLY what happened in the Soviet Union, very often. Is that what you want America to become?

Here is the type of spying I would support.
We will soon have the technology to track every person every second of the day. That information will only be known to robots and computers. If someone commits lets say a murder, law enforcement will have the right to get that information, and easily identify who was at the murder scene. The killer would be caught right away. This ability will bring crime to a virtual halt, because it's almost impossible to get away with crime.
Why is that bad?

Hey Dan, aren't you supposed to evacuate? If you haven't already, get the hell out of there. Jesus ain't gonna save your ass.
Where is the Captain? Probably stuck in traffic on the way out.

Strategist says

American prisons. No A/C, heating, TV, or luxuries. It's a prison, not a resort.

There are plenty prisons in S. Texas without AC. Someone I know, who is over 70 yrs old, was put into one such prison in Corpus. He has not been convicted yet. Imagine how 70+ year old person feels at 95-100F and 90% humidity

Strategist says

Why is that bad?

Because State will be able to use this technology to frame people someone in position of power dislikes. We see now cops planting drugs on someone they arrested. Why would this not be done via computers?

Strategist says

Why is that bad?

Because you don't want to get a chair because of some bug in code written by some guy from some bodyshop in Bangalore.

Strategist says

We will soon have the technology to track every person every second of the day. That information will only be known to robots and computers. If someone commits lets say a murder, law enforcement will have the right to get that information, and easily identify who was at the murder scene. The killer would be caught right away. This ability will bring crime to a virtual halt, because it's almost impossible to get away with crime.
Why is that bad?

You’re not thinking critically.
Do you know why we live in democracy today? Because the elite understands that nothing is more disrupting to a country than a civil war, and democracy is the only system that allows systematic peaceful transition of power.
Remove the threat of violent revolt against the government, and democracy instantly stops making sense. It’s way too messy and people are way to stupid for it to work well.
If you had such a surveillance system, a perfect totalitarian system could be put in place. Any opposition would be instantly eliminated. Non-conformists would be made to conform. All things would be perfect!
If you think a constitution protects you, just look at how many times it is violated and no one says anything.
The wheels of history are turning, and stupidity has consequences. Blind trust has consequences. You should think about it.

drBu says

Because State will be able to use this technology to frame people someone in position of power dislikes. We see now cops planting drugs on someone they arrested. Why would this not be done via computers?

Happening now anyway. So won't make a difference.

SpecialSnowflake says

Because you don't want to get a chair because of some bug in code written by some guy from some bodyshop in Bangalore.

We can continue to use other means of proving guilt to double check.

WineHorror says

Technology is pretty cool they said. It will solve all of humanities problems they said.

I remember when Silicon Valley was dominated by Libertarians out to let Free Speech Reign. The kind who listened to the "Fuck the FCC" crap put out in the 80s and 90s by Carlin, Zappa, etc.

Now the Inventor of "Hot or Not" Zuckfuck is out to ban political speech, as is "Don't Be Evil" Google/Youtube. Anything the least bit edgy is getting demonitized or put into "limited service", lest it distract from Mascara Application (and thus Maybelline) how-tos. The ISIS videos are of course left alone at the request of Intel Agencies.

Ironically the least policed by SJWs is Microsoft and Yahoo! spaces right now.

Strategist says

Here is the type of spying I would support.

That's not what your going to get. Your going to get Soviet Union style spying and arrests. That's how it always plays out. When there are no threats found, the government thugs have to make random innocent people into threats. You are in that pool of random people. Pretending that America, a nation that has indulged itself in genocide, slavery, segregation, forced sterilization, torture, and lethal medical experimentation on unsuspecting civilians is somehow going to be the first nation in history to be completely ethical in domestic spying. That's delusional.

Strategist says

Hey Dan, aren't you supposed to evacuate?

I'm fine. I got balls of steel and a well-built house.

Dan8267 says

Strategist says

Hey Dan, aren't you supposed to evacuate?

I'm fine. I got balls of steel and a well-built house.

I'm glad you are fine. We don't want anything bad happening to you. No point kicking your butt if you are dead.

Dan8267 says

Strategist says

Here is the type of spying I would support.

That's not what your going to get. Your going to get Soviet Union style spying and arrests. That's how it always plays out. When there are no threats found, the government thugs have to make random innocent people into threats. You are in that pool of random people. Pretending that America, a nation that has indulged itself in genocide, slavery, segregation, forced sterilization, torture, and lethal medical experimentation on unsuspecting civilians is somehow going to be the first nation in history to be completely ethical in domestic spying. That's delusional.

Not any more. Times have changed. The future that I envision in the second half of the century will be the best ever for mankind.
Fossil fuels will be history.
China will be a full democracy.
Islamic nations will start becoming democracies.
Technology will advance to better mankind.
Major diseases like cancer will be cured.
Wars between nations will come to an end.
Crime will deteriorate.
Life will be awesome.

Strategist says

Fossil fuels will be history.
China will be a full democracy.
Islamic nations will start becoming democracies.
Technology will advance to better mankind.
Major diseases like cancer will be cured.
Wars between nations will come to an end.
Crime will deteriorate.
Life will be awesome.

You are optimistic. So far I see people getting fatter by eating crap while glued to their little screens. AI and hacking are major threat to world stability.

Strategist says

Not any more. Times have changed. The future that I envision in the second half of the century will be the best ever for mankind.
Fossil fuels will be history.
China will be a full democracy.
Islamic nations will start becoming democracies.
Technology will advance to better mankind.
Major diseases like cancer will be cured.
Wars between nations will come to an end.
Crime will deteriorate.
Life will be awesome.

They say foolish optimism is # 13 on the list of forces shaping the universe. Just in front of love.
Ignorance and stupidity are #1 and 2 respectively.

Strategist says

Not any more. Times have changed. The future that I envision in the second half of the century will be the best ever for mankind.
Fossil fuels will be history.
China will be a full democracy.
Islamic nations will start becoming democracies.
Technology will advance to better mankind.
Major diseases like cancer will be cured.
Wars between nations will come to an end.
Crime will deteriorate.
Life will be awesome.

Where are the flying cars in that list? They were supposed to be widely available for 17 year now, where the fuck are they?

Strategist says

in the second half of the century...Islamic nations will start becoming democracies.

Pakistan is already a democracy, but that hasn't helped. In the second half of the century, more democracies will become Islamic, and some of them have nuclear power (e.g. France, Belgium) and nuclear weapons (e.g., France). The risk of violent conflict between incompatible ideologies (Islam vs everyone else) grows every year, especially when the USA serves KSA and pretends to "respect" Islam.

Eventually computers will become self-aware.
At that point humankind will become nothing but ants in the farm, born and bred for the amusement of hardware running windows 666...

Strategist says

Here is the type of spying I would support.
We will soon have the technology to track every person every second of the day. That information will only be known to robots and computers. If someone commits lets say a murder, law enforcement will have the right to get that information, and easily identify who was at the murder scene. The killer would be caught right away. This ability will bring crime to a virtual halt, because it's almost impossible to get away with crime.
Why is that bad?

#fuckequifax

http://money.cnn.com/2017/10/02/technology/business/equifax-million-more-impacted/index.html

Equifax breach impacted 2.5 million more people than originally stated

zzyzzx says

http://money.cnn.com/2017/10/02/technology/business/equifax-million-more-impacted/index.html

Equifax breach impacted 2.5 million more people than originally stated

At this point it's safe to assume that everybody's info is public now.

Cleaning the swamp

Heraclitusstudent says

Strategist is one jovial guy who makes silly jokes at barbecue parties - about nuking NK.

I'd strongly consider it if I had access to the red button.

Booger says

www.youtube.com/embed/vfpgpf6QVnI

anonymous says

The contract was a "sole source order." That means the IRS has determined that Equifax was the only company deemed capable of performing the contract, according to Politico. The IRS, which did not immediately respond for comment, said in the contract posting that "this is considered a critical service that cannot lapse."

I imagine the only one who possesses Equifax records is Equifax. Since the IRS is a collections as well as enforcement organization...

If info is use to fuck with some - Be careful who you piss off.

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