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It's the economy today, when more and more wives are forced to work in order to meet an ever increasing costs.

I don't think world will return to giving women freedom to be housewives. That's gone with the wind.

Thanks for sharing the video Dan

The big thing today is females in Stem careers. There is no barrier that I can see. Some of these young women however, are going to be surprised at the amount of work put in on a daily basis. Add to that, working with decades old code. Not as fun as you might think.

Plus lot of men dropping out-who wants to work like a dog, have a majority of your paycheck go to taxes, alimony, child support etc etc?

"What happens when you double the labor force. You half the value of labor."

Aha! This alone explains our oligarchs' devotion to getting women "liberate" and therefore working for them.

Every decline in the value of labor is a gain in the value of capital.

jvolstad says

The big thing today is females in Stem careers. There is no barrier that I can see. Some of these young women however, are going to be surprised at the amount of work put in on a daily basis. Add to that, working with decades old code. Not as fun as you might think.

Yes, but: so much more fulfilling!

Who would want to make a home and raise their own kids, when you can get up early, spend 90 minutes 'getting ready' with the overpriced makeup and perfume, and expensive clothes and purses, only to fight traffic, so you can make the boss rich? Dress to impress!

Hell if she's lucky, maybe her take home pay will cover the costs of working said job, and then it's just (all) your time you give away for free. At least she can sleep well at night knowing that the immense benefits of working the very important job, outweigh the costs of devoting all that time and energy to your boss. Winning!

Finally watched the video. It was really great.

Jordan Peterson is brilliant.

FortWayne says

It's the economy today, when more and more wives are forced to work in order to meet an ever increasing costs.

Women are not forced to work because the cost of living is greater. We spend less on the vast majority of things today than 40 years ago.

Women are forced to work to make ends meet because labor is cheaper. Labor is cheaper because women entered the work force, decreasing the bargaining power of labor. Even though labor today is over four times more productive than labor in the 1950s, labor is paid far less in real dollars. This is solely because of capitalism, the control over distribution of revenue streams by owners. Capitalism is the sole reason that women absolutely need to work in almost every family today.

And no women can afford to stay out of the labor market long enough for the lack of supply to increase labor prices enough so that a single income is sufficient to raise a family on. They are trapped into working for low wages. This is exactly why capitalism is a bad economic system. All economic systems that concentrate power into the hands of a few and reward anything other than productivity are bad economic systems for this very reason. The more unrestrained capitalism is, the worse it is.

jvolstad says

The big thing today is females in Stem careers. There is no barrier that I can see. Some of these young women however, are going to be surprised at the amount of work put in on a daily basis. Add to that, working with decades old code. Not as fun as you might think.

I've worked in software, the quintessential STEM field, my entire life. Almost half the people I've worked with are women -- not white women because they hate software development, but women nonetheless. Not once have I ever seen a woman work a single hour of unpaid overtime. It is expected on a daily basis of men.

The women who bitch and moan about there not being enough women in STEM would not be willing to do the work in STEM, not by a long shot. No woman in the history of the world has ever pulled a 90-hour work week.

rando says

Every decline in the value of labor is a gain in the value of capital.

Exactly. Capitalism rewards one and only one thing: bargaining power.

Dan8267 says

No woman in the history of the world has ever pulled a 90-hour work week.

Is killing yourself to make your boss rich a virtue? Do you think you are doing your family a favor by working 90 hours a week? I'm all for working hard, but this is just stupid.

Jordan Peterson is scheduled to speak for Free Speech Week in Berkeley. Don't think he is confirmed, though.
Can't believe Dan is posting his stuff. Highly recommend the Joe Rogan interview with Peterson and Bret Weinstein.

epitaph says

Is killing yourself to make your boss rich a virtue? Do you think you are doing your family a favor by working 90 hours a week? I'm all for working hard, but this is just stupid.

I got paid for overtime back then, but the point you haven't addressed. The men who work in STEM work harder than woman would be willing to do regardless of whether or not you think working that hard is a good thing. As such, woman would not want to work like men in STEM.

EBGuy2 says

Can't believe Dan is posting his stuff.

Why?

If a statement is true, I'll acknowledge it. Truth before all other things including political agendas.

That was pretty interesting and I certainly agree that high stress jobs with long hours shouldn't be desirable to anyone. I didn't really get the takeaway here from the video though; is he saying that as a society, we should value mothers more? And that our lack of valuation leads women to pursue outside work that makes them unhappy and also halves the value of labor? Or is he saying that women should value motherhood more and sacrifice a career for it?

If he is suggesting that mothers used to be valued more and thus didn't need to work, then I disagree. If he's saying we've always gotten the valuation of motherhood wrong and we need to improve, then I agree.

But in today's society, valuation means money. And what's ironic is that most commenters on this site are totally opposed to giving up their money to "alimony, child support, etc etc."

Dan8267 says

No woman in the history of the world has ever pulled a 90-hour work week.

This little bit is off topic IMO but since we're speaking anecdotally, I never have to work a 90 hour week because I'm efficient and produce much more than other people in less time. Having a company culture that recognizes that is the direction we should be moving to for everyone.