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The article says 40% "of those under 18 were of foreign descent." Marseille is ~20% Muslim.

Happy New Year in Paris: 1000 Cars Torched, police assaulted, firefighters assaulted.

https://www.thelocal.fr/20180102/increase-in-new-years-eve-car-burnings-across-france

curious2 says

Marseille is ~20% Muslim.

Here we go again:

"After reaching 20% expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings and church and synagogue burning: Ethiopia Muslim 32.8% At 40% you will find widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks and ongoing militia warfare: Bosnia Muslim 40% Chad Muslim 53.1% Lebanon Muslim 59.7%"

P N Dr Lo R says

curious2 says

Marseille is ~20% Muslim.

Here we go again:

"After reaching 20% expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings and church and synagogue burning: Ethiopia Muslim 32.8% At 40% you will find widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks and ongoing militia warfare: Bosnia Muslim 40% Chad Muslim 53.1% Lebanon Muslim 59.7%"

You’re comparing those countries (with their vast range of issues) with one city in France. Er, OK.

We need RinWah Law, not Sharia Law!

A world under RinWah Law is a world at peace.

anon_2925a says

(with their vast range of issues)

The only significant "issue" is 20% Muslim.

zzyzzx says

French City with 40% Muslim Population is the Most Dangerous City in Europe

I was told Muslims are peaceful.

Strategist says

zzyzzx says

French City with 40% Muslim Population is the Most Dangerous City in Europe

I was told Muslims are peaceful.

Yes, the issue must caused by the 60% non-muslims.

Islamic Supremacy in action: Mob sets out to intimidate mosque-protesters in Worcester, UK over a huge mosque to be built in the middle of the old city.

Vid at the link!

British citizens march against construction of a $4 million mosque in the heart of Worcester city.

Army of Invaders charge the protestors & attack the castrated police...

Members of the Church of England clergy backed the bid of the new mosque despite Christian outrage. pic.twitter.com/aVh9YO53Wt— Amy Mek (@AmyMek) October 11, 2018

France should take a chapter from their former colonial nation, Senegal. Majority Muslim population, none of the nonsense.

NuttBoxer says

France should take a chapter from their former colonial nation, Senegal. Majority Muslim population, none of the nonsense.

Nominated.

Like most countries with Muslim majorities, most Muslims in Senegal demand Sharia. So, if you were to say something like, "Christianity is just as good as Islam," you would become a criminal just for saying that. The Sharia punishment is the death penalty, although Senegal suspended capital punishment some years ago (probably as part of a French aid package). As long as the French continue enabling the current government with "aid", they would send you to prison instead of killing you.

Also, if France became a copy of Senegal (and France is moving in that direction), the French might look forward to other typical Muslim numbers. Life expectancy is around 60. Literacy is below 60%. Poverty is also widespread, leaving Senegal dependent on French "aid".

Islam causes Islamic dysfunction. There is nothing else like it. Once you have an Islamic majority, you can no longer have a real democracy in the sense that western secular liberals understand that term. Once they prohibit blasphemy, they cannot handle free speech, nor even a cartoon. If the government does not execute you for blasphemy, vigilante Sharia patrols form to do the job, murdering blasphemers in broad daylight with no consequences. Senegal is already beginning to see that dynamic forming, including recent convictions of Senegalese jihadists reaching out to Boko Haram.

You can dislike me for proving you wrong again, but I encourage you to visit Senegal and tell the locals that Christianity is just as good (or bad) as Islam. Please bring your pit bull as a "support animal", especially if you plan on showing them a cartoon. As an added bonus, you won't need to buy a return ticket.

@zzyzzx you might want to correct the OP headline to show that Marseille is 20% Muslim, not 40%.

curious2 says

The article says 40% "of those under 18 were of foreign descent." Marseille is ~20% Muslim.

20% Muslim is actually critical mass for Islam. Once the Muslim population of a jurisdiction exceeds 20%, the situation deteriorates and there is no way of stopping it without force.

Senegal has a very diverse history, and that fuels its balanced view on Islam. It's the only Muslim country where inter-marriage between Christians and Muslims is common, and drinking alcohol in public is allowed. How do you reconcile that with the Sharia bullshit from PEW?

Senegal is also the most stable, and economically successful country in Africa. And yes, I am familiar with South Africa, but a country that threatens to take away people's land based on their skin color is not stable.

You're reply is typical of people caught up in hysteria who go to the extreme, rather than examine the facts. If this was the 50's you'd fit right in with the red wave of fear.

Rin says

We need RinWah Law, not Sharia Law!

A world under RinWah Law is a world at peace.

Too many wealthier Frenchmen following the RinWah Law diverting young French girls from reproducing in the past 3-4 decades is the reason why the place is being taken over by muslims.

BTW, it's the same reason why Roe v. Wade has over the long run produced today's American conservative demographic despite all the liberal brainwashing in schools: the liberals aborted their younger generation of voters.

In order to maintain a secular classical liberal (libertarian / conservatrive) society, the resident population has to be at least self-sustaining. That means, not every couple having 1 or 2 kids either, as that would result in spoiling of kids and turning them into either communists or religious fanatics (communists are one type of religious fanatics), but the wealthier and better off men need to take up the burden to raise multiple children in the next generation, so that the young siblings will learn from a young age what competition, collaboration/accommodation and personal responsibility mean.

NuttBoxer says

The Muslims in Senegal are Sunni, a minority in most Muslim countries.

Your ignorance continues to astound. 80% of Muslims are Sunni. Most Muslims are Sunni in all Muslim countries other than Iran and Iraq.

NuttBoxer says

that fuels it's balanced view

Please learn the difference between its and it's, after you learn the distribution of Sunni Islam.

NuttBoxer says

How do you reconcile that with the Sharia [data] from PEW?

If you want to have any credibility, you might also learn to stop using profanity, but I can see you are angry. Perhaps IRL, when you are angry being proven wrong, you use profanity and your pit bull to 'persuade' people not to argue further. It doesn't work here. Try learning. Make fewer mistakes, and you will not suffer so much cognitive dissonance. If you insist on a flat earth, and people prove you wrong, you have a choice: (a) learn that the earth is round and the pain of cognitive dissonance goes away, or (b) curse and shout and get a pit bull so that people don't dare prove you wrong. The latter is basically the Islamic way, prohibiting blasphemy as a capital offense. I can see why you prefer it, since you pride yourself on being a "nuttboxer", but it is a mistake. Sooner or later you get to a forum where your obviously wrong opinions and misstatements of fact can be disproved, and thus you end up boxing yourself.

NuttBoxer says

You're reply....

Please learn the difference between your and you're, after you learn the difference between its and it's.

NuttBoxer says

rather than examine the facts.

You are obviously the one who has failed to examine facts, or even grammar. You sound increasingly angry, and your proliferating errors are only further embarrassing you. If only your pit bull could lunge through a computer screen, you might have your usual chance of "winning" by silencing the disproof of your obviously wrong opinions and misstatements of fact. Of course, if you were in Senegal, you could be silenced from claiming that Christianity is just as good as Islam. Would that make you believe in the superiority of Islam?

NuttBoxer says

If this was the 50's you'd fit right in the red wave of fear.

Again you resort to the fallacy of associating unrelated things. Without digressing into the issues behind the cold war, I will at least encourage you to read John Walker. And here is a cartoon:

Reality says

is the reason

No, the decisions to import Muslims and to tolerate Islam are the reasons. France survived for centuries with a smaller French population than it has now, and without getting taken over by Muslims. France survived plague without getting taken over by Muslims. A slowly falling population does not in itself pose any threat. Japan and China are not being taken over by Muslims.

curious2 says

Reality says

is the reason

No, the decisions to import Muslims and to tolerate Islam are the reasons. France survived for centuries with a smaller French population than it has now, and without getting taken over by Muslims. France survived plague without getting taken over by Muslims. A slowly falling population does not in itself pose any threat. Japan and China are not being taken over by Muslims.

The decision to import Muslims was the direct result of declining/insufficient French population. Japan has been mired in depression for nearly 3 decades now due to the demographic decline. China is about to enter the same stage (if not already), once again due to demographic implosion.

Reality says

The decision to import Muslims was the direct result of declining/insufficient French population.

No, the decision was de Gaulle's way of ending the war in Algeria. He turned over Algeria to terrorists and imported a huge number of Muslims, hoping to ingratiate France with Muslim countries that sell petroleum. It backfired of course.

Recent decisions to import even more Muslims result from Petrodollar corruption of NATO governments and media, e.g. via the Dassault Group and Islamic Cultural Center and its associated committees and councils.

The French could have imported Poles, Indian Hindus, or Latin American Christians, but France chose Muslims.

It is also false to call a smaller population "insufficient" when it proved plenty in the past. Japan and China are not exactly in "depression." Net increase in GDP is not a real measure of wealth. It matters only to the extent that pension obligations might depend on larger generations paying into a Ponzi scheme: the solution is to control spending and to avoid Ponzi schemes. Landlords tend to want a rising population to increase housing demand, but it isn't necessary for the country.

Muslim countries prove that population increase can correlate with poverty, and the transition from Christianity to Islam can result in actual depression and civil war (e.g. Lebanon).

It matters only to the extent that pension obligations might depend on larger generations paying into a Ponzi scheme: the solution is to control spending and to avoid Ponzi schemes.

Absolutely correct. The USA was very prosperous with 200 million and would still be prosperous if we gradually went back to that number. The lower population would also allow renewables to be sustainable while keeping a First World society. The idea that a population must continuously grow is absurd on its face - when do we stop, 500 million? One billion?

HeadSet says

The idea that a population must continuously grow is absurd on its face

Is it?
How many examples of economies do we have that have stagnated without becoming conformist, sclerotic and eventually dying? How many organisms in nature stop growing and continue to do well for long?
Have you read the book "Scale"?

That's why Mars and the Moon, bitchez.

I'm not being facetious.

The population of Europe is massive compared to a century ago. France has about double the people it had in 1900.

A huge chunk of growth happened in the European Babyboom, 1950-1970, that got going a few years after ours.

The problem isn't that French don't reproduce. It's that landlords and businesses want high rents and cheap labor as if a babyboom is always in play. They sold the entire culture of Europe out to get it. They don't care if French workers pay the high rents, or the government pays it on behalf of refugees, so long as somebody pay and the demand stays high.

Another issue is that left parties are no longer interested in actual workers. They don't subsidize or otherwise encourage the construction of new affordable housing, indeed they try to stop it. The left party of Limo Socialists has a Turd World, Postmodernist attitude where only POCs count, but every European Worker is a wealthy greedy bastard. This also effects household formation and child bearing.

The 68'ers thought they could virtue signal and get the Turd Worlders to pay for their retirement. Now they have turned on Western Culture through the worst decadence ever seen in history (perhaps a necessary pendulum swing from the Glorious 50s-70s) and seem to want to destroy the whole fucking thing - so long as it happens after they die.

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says

That's why Mars and the Moon, bitchez.

Exactly, that's we continue to grow.
We won't stop at 500 millions.

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says

They don't care if French workers pay the high rents, or the government pays it on behalf of refugees

The landlords are part of an economy that seeks to continue to grow, while manufacturing is leaving. And once you have 65 millions for an area the size of CA, it starts to feel pretty tight.

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says

Another issue is that left parties are no longer interested in actual workers

Though France actually has real socialists - even communists. They are animated by their good heart and so not against immigration. They are against development too, so building is not liked.


TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says

seem to want to destroy the whole fucking thing - so long as it happens after they die.

I'm not sure they are clear on the fact that civilization is not indestructible, and they may be the first surprised when the stuff they take for granted suddenly goes away.

Heraclitusstudent says

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says

That's why Mars and the Moon, bitchez.

Exactly, that's we continue to grow.
We won't stop at 500 millions.

I was clearly talking about limiting population within the geographical boundaries of the USA, not the universe. If humankind can find (or terraform) inhabitable spots in outer space, I say go for it.

Heraclitusstudent says

HeadSet says

The idea that a population must continuously grow is absurd on its face

Is it?
How many examples of economies do we have that have stagnated without becoming conformist, sclerotic and eventually dying? How many organisms in nature stop growing and continue to do well for long?
Have you read the book "Scale"?

Economies dying when they stop growing? I'll mention the Black Plague that devastated Europe's population in the 1300s and how the Renaissance happened immediately after.

Organisms that stop growing? I'll mention the Petri dish were the culture rapidly grows and then completely dies off when all food is consumed.

We are talking about humans living in a First World lifestyle. Not enough resources for that in the US if the population grows to a billion.