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TwoScoopsMcGee says

We really should be thinking about how to divide Germany into Saxony, Prussia, Bavaria, Hannover, etc.and if Morganthau was right all along.

Germany is a different country now. Nazi Germany has been replaced by a secular democratic Germany. The days of dictators stirring up trouble in Western Europe are long gone.
Our threat today comes from power hungry dictators and Islam.

I actually would welcome a European army disconnected from the NATO which has done quite a few blunders, and represent European goals. However it would need to be a nationalistic army focused on the best for the autochthon Europeans, i.e. white christians of each country, and not an army that allows its countries to be flooded with immigrants instead of protecting them. Maybe led by Nigel Farage ;) In a way the US should take more immigrants since US foreign policy (Boosh and Obummer mostly) has caused a lot of these immigrant streams by destabilizing the middle east. Europe has been taking the brunt due to its cucked Eurocrats/Eurocunts betraying their people.

The irony is that while Germany no longer has any significant number of Nazis, they are now doing a mass import of an ideology, Islam, that is pretty damn similar to Naziism.

rando says

The irony is that while Germany no longer has any significant number of Nazis, they are now doing a mass import of an ideology, Islam, that is pretty damn similar to Naziism.

The Islamists are a lot worse. The Nazis did not slaughter their own kind, the Islamists slaughter their own kind without hesitation.

Angela Merkel is now more popular among migrants than among Germans

https://voiceofeurope.com/2018/09/angela-merkel-is-now-more-popular-among-migrants-than-among-germans/

Two Presidents in a row have advocated more military spending by other countries, including Germany and Japan. That went badly in the past. I would rather see them spend less. Ideally, I would like to see them pay the USA for American protection instead of building up their own military budgets.

curious2 says

Two Presidents in a row have advocated more military spending by other countries, including Germany and Japan. That went badly in the past. I would rather see them spend less. Ideally, I would like to see them pay the USA for American protection instead of building up their own military budgets.

Except that they do not pay, they get US protection for free.

HeadSet says

Except that they do not pay, they get US protection for free.

This.

And pipsqueak nations have been joining that may get us dragged into a war doing something stupid. Why have NATO anymore when Germany is going to get it's energy from Russia?

If that's okay then obviously they aren't still a threat, right? Ergo fuck NATO lets get out except for agreements with bigger countries and those which pull their weight financially.

HeadSet says

curious2 says

Two Presidents in a row have advocated more military spending by other countries, including Germany and Japan. That went badly in the past. I would rather see them spend less. Ideally, I would like to see them pay the USA for American protection instead of building up their own military budgets.

Except that they do not pay, they get US protection for free.

Therein lies an opportunity to negotiate a better deal. If the merchants of war have their way, the USA will demand other countries increase their military (procurement) spending. That would mean encouraging Germany and Japan to re-arm, as if history had nothing to say about what could possibly go wrong. Better to negotiate for more control over their foreign policy and defense, even if they pay only a fraction.

Consider what will happen when France and Belgium become 20% Muslim, which will happen in a generation. I would rather see them disarm instead of turning over a huge arsenal to Islamic control. The KSA plan seems to be to hijack NATO countries from inside, pumping Sunnis into NATO countries. I would like to see the USA thwart that plan.

just_dregalicious says

And pipsqueak nations have been joining that may get us dragged into a war doing something stupid. Why have NATO anymore when Germany is going to get it's energy from Russia?

Inviting the Baltic States into NATO was stupid. Lots of added risk, no added benefit. The only thing economically or military they could contribute is a sack of potatoes and maybe 5 border guards.

They also pull plenty of stunts against their Russian minority that could offer an excuse for intervention. And then we'd have to respond with full force, instead of say, a naval blockade of the Russian Baltic, Arctic and Black Seas.

curious2 says

Consider what will happen when France and Belgium become 20% Muslim, which will happen in a generation. I would rather see them disarm instead of turning over a huge arsenal to Islamic control. The KSA plan seems to be to hijack NATO countries from inside, pumping Sunnis into NATO countries. I would like to see the USA thwart that plan.

The first NATO Secretary General, Lord Ismay, stated the organization's goal was "to keep the Russians out, the Americans in, and the Germans down".

Some other attempts to revise his idea:
http://smallwarsjournal.com/blog/lord-ismay-restated

Keep the Russians out, the Americans in, the Germans disarmed, and provide onsite forces for eventually necessary Reconquista