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If this happens (the half million Indians), we'll see much needed traffic congestion relieve in the BA.

Strategist says

The only one who bothered to remain was a young foreigner who contacted my sister at a different location, and stayed there until problem was fixed. Now tell me, who deserves the bonuses and the promotions?

But could that due to the laws that favor American workers? Maybe they need a kick in the behind to start being more accountable and not sue for everything. We really need to restore the balance -if you don't like to be a responsible person-get your own business.

joshuatrio says

I had several friends who were in tech and had to train their H1B replacements, since the company was cutting costs.

I did that myself-way back-wow time flies!

I don't think we have any choice for the top jobs and my opinion mirror's strat even though it's not in my personal short term best interest - because I work and compete for jobs with H1B.

I think to stay competitive (in particular with our small population size) we need to do things that we've done in the past - scrape the globe for the best talent. Try to make this a welcoming place where the best of the best want to come to and live. I can't comment on tech companies (even though I'm a computer scientist who's also a molecular biologist) but there are a lot of really effen hard biotech problems that need to be solved, that are GOING to be solved. We need it to happen here. If American's want those jobs they need to step up and compete. Because that's the way it's going to be wherever that sort of opportunity exists on the planet.

Most of the H1B I know do work harder than most Americans, except for me of course. I hang out with regular Americans outside of work. I sat at the 'cool' table in high school. NYE I was at a party in DT SD and a former, "Bachelor", guy showed up. Andrew Baldwin. Was dancing like a total nerd. I mentioned that at work today and 6 people spun around in their chairs and said, (on average),"Nerd!? Hey! What do you mean by that!".

Don't even get me started about my lazy 20yr old nephew and friends kids... Maybe we're screwed even with H1B...

*disclaimer, I know there is wage abuse and I'm not for that - there should be a reasonable solution. I actually quit a job when asked to train an offshore team.

But, without Indians, tech companies will have to train Americans, then offer better wages and pension plans to keep them employed.

The horror!

Booger says

But, without Indians, tech companies will have to train Americans, then offer better wages and pension plans to keep them employed.

The horror!

Over 20 years I've worked with:

Indians
East Asians
South East Asians
Russians
Iranians
Brits
1 Colombian
Italians
French
Germans
Danish
Romanians
Bulgarians
Georgians

[edit: I left out South Africans and Oceanic]

... probably others I'm unaware of.

Like I said, I can't comment on the regular hi-tech situation. Just biotech.

We used to own that market too aside from the Brits. China is taking it.

Booger says

But, without Indians, tech companies will have to train Americans, then offer better wages and pension plans to keep them employed.

Just to amplify on this, and to address comments made earlier, most H1-Bs are not super smart PhDs from Mumbai.

They're kids with a 2-4 year degree (often of dubious legitimacy) and minimum experience, maybe a year or two in a call center. And unlike Americans, they don't get anything like the vetting.

Companies are pretend that they need these genius, highly skilled, highly trained individuals, when they're really using "I" and "II" entry level people.

No jobs for America Is and IIs today = no IIIs, IVs, and Vs down the road. Education can only do so much, at some point your need trigger time; experience doing the actual work.

Furthermore, experienced H1B holders often return to their home country, bringing their US acquired skills with them, and helping foreign firms compete with American ones. So we're subsidizing Tech Firms to hire Foreigners over Americans, to train Foreigners to help Foreign Businesses compete with Americans.

it's obvious that Trump hates Indians.

did not visit India during Asia tour.

TwoScoopsPlissken says

Just to amplify on this, and to address comments made earlier, most H1-Bs are not super smart PhDs from Mumbai.

They're kids with a 2-4 year degree (often of dubious legitimacy)

This is probably true (I say probably because I don't know the facts, just observations and common sense).

The change in the law that is causing such outrage in the MSM will just not allow people to stay on H1B beyond 6 years while waiting for green cards. Well, if you did not manage to get a green card within 6 years, then you are not that valuable. For highly educated people with exceptional abilities, the path to green card is quite fast.

My green card application was approved in exactly one day. After that it took 4 months to do the biometrics and get the actual card. The longest part of the process (I think it was called labour market survey for some categories, for others it is just a wait list due to quotas) is waived for the top categories such as outstanding or exceptional scientist, or national interest waiver.

So all this wailing about how we wouldn't have Mr. Genius now, who once upon a time was on H1B, is nonsense.

I’m all for getting the best and brightest but people arguing that H1B has anything to do with that obviously don’t have any experience with the program.

H1B is designed for corporations to put bodies in chairs. There’s no special skills test, no requirement to show you can’t find an American, a low wage requirement, and best of all the Visa is tied to the employer so the employee can’t quit or get fired unless he wants to be deported. That’s why H1Bs will set in front of your machine monitoring it all night.

If you are an exceptional talent with skills Americans don’t have, there’s way better visas to get.

Trump should scrap H1B and any other non merit based immigration program. Again I’m all for getting the best and brightest over here, but arguing that H1B does that is a straw man, so let’s restrict the discussion to what specific things H1B provides that you think is necessary.

lostand confused says

Strategist says

The only one who bothered to remain was a young foreigner who contacted my sister at a different location, and stayed there until problem was fixed. Now tell me, who deserves the bonuses and the promotions?

But could that due to the laws that favor American workers? Maybe they need a kick in the behind to start being more accountable and not sue for everything. We really need to restore the balance -if you don't like to be a responsible person-get your own business.

I think it's due to the culture we have, and unemployment/welfare we provide.

lostand confused says

joshuatrio says

I had several friends who were in tech and had to train their H1B replacements, since the company was cutting costs.

I did that myself-way back-wow time flies!

In an integrated world, this is what, we face regardless of what laws we place. The future is where we can work anywhere, and still get our job done.
How are we gonna remain numero uno when we don't produce enough STEM workers?

Strategist says

lostand confused says

joshuatrio says

I had several friends who were in tech and had to train their H1B replacements, since the company was cutting costs.

I did that myself-way back-wow time flies!

In an integrated world, this is what, we face regardless of what laws we place. The future is where we can work anywhere, and still get our job done.
How are we gonna remain numero uno when we don't produce enough STEM workers?

By importing our landlords!

Satoshi_Nakamoto says

By importing our landlords!

By importing the best that would be part of us. We are all imports in America.

Strategist says

Satoshi_Nakamoto says

By importing our landlords!

By importing the best that would be part of us. We are all imports in America.

If H1B was about getting the best, why is the salary requirement so low? Why is there no requirement to show that no American has the ability to do the job? Why is there no special skill / education requirement? Why can't H1B visa holders change jobs? Why are the spouses of H1B visa holders able to work?

anon_4e80d says

If H1B was about getting the best, why is the salary requirement so low? Why is there no requirement to show that no American has the ability to do the job? Why is there no special skill / education requirement? Why can't H1B visa holders change jobs? Why are the spouses of H1B visa holders able to work?

Ding ding ding ding.... We have a winner.

Strategist says

Satoshi_Nakamoto says

By importing our landlords!

By importing the best that would be part of us. We are all imports in America.

Currently H1B categories doesn't include "landlord" as special skill. I'm all for adding it (while removing IT-related stuff, of course). It's time we have landlords more eager to please their tenants at 2am on Tuesday night while taking in half the rent.

Strategist says

anotheraccount says

Strategist says

s. How can we not have have a shortage of skilled STEM professionals?

Because it only takes a few great people to produce amazing results in technology. Millions of Indian IT workers decrease productivity instead of increase it by complicating what can be done simply.

Yes, it only takes a few great people to produce amazing results that benefit us all. Those few great people are one in a million. If we have only a few people to begin with, our odds of finding that one diamond in the rough is greatly diminished.
I still don't understand the logic of keeping out the wealth makers, and keeping in the wealth takers.

I think I disagree with you about that one in a million. I think in a right system and proper principles leadership everyone can be that person, given the opportunity. Because all those "gems" who came here, were nothing in their own country, and coming here America's system allowed them to be great. I believe the system that is based on freedom is the one that will do that.