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Strategist saysAn electric car goes 3 or 4 miles per KwH. At 7 cents that equates to 2 cents a mile. Imagine driving 1,000 miles per month for $20.00 compared to $100 to $200 for gas.
It's very sad. Exxon Mobil was such a nice company.
Your numbers are spot on, I know since I drive a Leaf. It is the most liberating move you could ever make. The Bolt might be my next car, as its range is insane. There is now NO reason to not go electric.
If you need a new car sooner than that, you have another problem that probably isn't all that environmentally friendly needing a new car every 3 years.
So, you're spending 30% more for the same sized vehicle to save a few dollars on gas?
and you have to replace them more frequently?
This saves you money, how?
So in reality you are driving a pretty cool car
FortWayne saysWhere can someone buy panels so cheap that it works out that way?
Because every company out here that offers solar, charges an arm and a leg for them.
Define "arm and leg". As it stands now the system covering 90-110% of residential power demand in CA pays for itself in about 6-7 years. At least this is the numbers I've got from multiple solar companies. Ten years ago the number would be 15+ years IIRC, so it does get cheaper. Which also acts as an incentive to wait a bit more before purchasing one.
PS. This for fully owned system, I don't care about somebody else's property sitting on my roof, so no "solar leases" or PPAs for me.
Malcolm saysSo in reality you are driving a pretty cool car
Sorry, but "Leaf" and "cool" do not belong in the same sentence. It's an econobox, dorkmobile or whatever the proper derogatory term is for Corollas and Versas of this world. Which is ok if you're into this kind of thing.
So the savings is no gas, which I use 10 cents a mile for easy math. No oil changes or tune ups, almost no maintainence. So in reality you are driving a pretty cool car for $100 a month.
Satoshi_Nakamoto saysMalcolm saysSo in reality you are driving a pretty cool car
Sorry, but "Leaf" and "cool" do not belong in the same sentence. It's an econobox, dorkmobile or whatever the proper derogatory term is for Corollas and Versas of this world. Which is ok if you're into this kind of thing.
You should check out the latest model of the Leaf.
I was told for me it would cost about 30k to get panels from Solar City by their rep who came out. Our electricity bill comes out to about $140/month. So
140 * 12 = $1680/year
30,000 / 1200 = 17.8 years (assuming money is not earning interest or dividents and just stays under the mattress). There is no benefit.
Even the break pads went 115,000 miles on our 2011 Prius , and it's just a hybrid, not even a true electric.
I was told for me it would cost about 30k to get panels from Solar City by their rep who came out. Our electricity bill comes out to about $140/month. So
140 * 12 = $1680/year
30,000 / 1200 = 17.8 years (assuming money is not earning interest or dividents and just stays under the mattress). There is no benefit.
I assume your utility is SCE, and you must have got that quote a while ago. $140.00 per month tells me you have a benefit in going solar.
Strategist saysI assume your utility is SCE, and you must have got that quote a while ago. $140.00 per month tells me you have a benefit in going solar.
What the hell are your electric rates out there? Or do you have 3k plus square foot houses? That seems like a high average for the temperate climate you all have out there.
I've got muggy ass muggy fucking whether in the summer here in IL and I'd really be stretching to average $140/mo over the entire year. I'm closer to $110/mo. At $140/mo I could just unplug the fridges in the summer and keep my beers cool with the house A/C.
I wonder if this takes into account the artificially low cost of solar due to dumping of solar cells by China. Maybe solar is not so cheap in reality.
I think utilities are a big factor in holding back solar and wind. At least from the perspective of an individual home owner. But most homeowners can't even figure out how to put in a circuit breaker either. Let alone attach an array of solar panels to their roof without some contractor gouging them 20-40% on the total install. It's an uphill battle to really crack open the homeowner market in my opinion.
then reinstall again could be an issue that nobody seems to ever mention.
Malcolm saysSo in reality you are driving a pretty cool car
Sorry, but "Leaf" and "cool" do not belong in the same sentence. It's an econobox, dorkmobile or whatever the proper derogatory term is for Corollas and Versas of this world. Which is ok if you're into this kind of thing.
That said I've got a 2 year old roof myself and I'd be set for 20 years,
you can't carry anything big home when shopping at home depot
Children from highly polluted schools had a smaller growth in cognitive development than children from the paired lowly polluted schools, both in crude and adjusted models (e.g., 7.4% [95% CI 5.6%–8.8%] versus 11.5% [95% CI 8.9%–12.5%] improvement in working memory, p = 0.0024). Cogently, children attending schools with higher levels of EC, NO2, and UFP both indoors and outdoors experienced substantially smaller growth in all the cognitive measurements
FortWayne saysI was told for me it would cost about 30k to get panels from Solar City by their rep who came out. Our electricity bill comes out to about $140/month. So
140 * 12 = $1680/year
30,000 / 1200 = 17.8 years (assuming money is not earning interest or dividents and just stays under the mattress). There is no benefit.
Ripoff. Go somewhere else, and if you are in S California, let me know. I could hook you up for much less. Those numbers are outrageous.
Strategist saysEven the break pads went 115,000 miles on our 2011 Prius , and it's just a hybrid, not even a true electric.
You drive a Prius, but think the Leaf is a dorkmobile? Don't get me wrong, I leased two Priuses, as I knew they were a stepping stone, and I am into that sort of thing; definitely wasn't trying to impress, but I have to tell you, that I like the Leaf much better. For styling and for the all electric coolness factor, it blows the Prius away.
WookieMan saysI think utilities are a big factor in holding back solar and wind. At least from the perspective of an individual home owner. But most homeowners can't even figure out how to put in a circuit breaker either. Let alone attach an array of solar panels to their roof without some contractor gouging them 20-40% on the total install. It's an uphill battle to really crack open the homeowner market in my opinion.
I was thinking that roof condition is a factor. It might not make any sense to get rooftop solar panels unless your roof is relatively new, Since the cost of the panel installation and having to remove them to replace the roof, then reinstall again could be an issue that nobody seems to ever mention.
I was thinking that roof condition is a factor. It might not make any sense to get rooftop solar panels unless your roof is relatively new, Since the cost of the panel installation and having to remove them to replace the roof, then reinstall again could be an issue that nobody seems to ever mention.
This actually gives me a pause when I'm thinking about installing panels on the roof
Satoshi_Nakamoto saysThis actually gives me a pause when I'm thinking about installing panels on the roof
Outside the cost of the panels and install, this is probably my first worry. If they're not installed correctly and I get a roof leak, well that could boost the cost of this whole thing a whole hell of a lot, wholly hell. I don't trust most contractors, even the ones I personally know.
If you need a new car sooner than that, you have another problem that probably isn't all that environmentally friendly needing a new car every 3 years.
Nobody needs a new car but it is nice to have one.
Somebody needs a decent 3 year old used car with good mpg.
WookieMan saysIf you need a new car sooner than that, you have another problem that probably isn't all that environmentally friendly needing a new car every 3 years.
Cars are not friendly to the environment.
Nobody needs a new car but it is nice to have one.
Somebody needs a decent 3 year old used car with good mpg.
That’s the sweet spot when it’s still next to new but 75% discount from new
If you’re a good horse trader, you can buy these cars and then drive for a year, and then sell for ~ what you originally paid to purchase
f you’re a good horse trader, you can buy these cars and then drive for a year, and then sell for ~ what you originally paid to purchase
2015 Mercedes electric drive (100%electric)
Sorry, but "Leaf" and "cool" do not belong in the same sentence. It's an econobox, dorkmobile or whatever the proper derogatory term is for Corollas and Versas of this world.
You should check out the latest model of the Leaf.
Versa is a case of 'you-need-a-car-badly-we've-got-a-bad-car-for-you'.
mmmarvel saysVersa is a case of 'you-need-a-car-badly-we've-got-a-bad-car-for-you'.
Yep, it's basically a Renault.
Just out of curiosity, why would you replace a Volt with another Volt, instead of a Bolt?
My daughter has a 2017 Volt which she does not want. I will replace the 2015 Volt lease, and buy her car.
I also feel comfortable with the Volt not having range anxiety. 80% of the time I will using electricity only.
Strategist saysMy daughter has a 2017 Volt which she does not want. I will replace the 2015 Volt lease, and buy her car.
I also feel comfortable with the Volt not having range anxiety. 80% of the time I will using electricity only.
With a >200 mile range EV, you shouldn't have any range anxiety. We go all over the place with our Leafs. It is almost never an issue with our limited range, especially when you have a routine. Malls, movie theaters, grocery stores, convenience stores.....they are putting in fast chargers. It is such a time saver to not have to go to get gas, you just charge up as part of your errand.
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I wonder if this takes into account the artificially low cost of solar due to dumping of solar cells by China. Maybe solar is not so cheap in reality.
But still, it's very good news and going to solve many problems:
* terrorism is funded mainly by our dollars flowing to Saudi Arabia and Qatar
* coal causes pollution directly, especially in China (from which it blows over to California)
* global warming is likely exacerbated by our use of fossil fuels