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"please let us know as soon as possible" lol

anon_4480e says

"please let us know as soon as possible" lol

Thought someone might find that funny.

So what are you calling what we have now?

How is it better?

You have a single provider for water and electricity, right? Do you ever get water and electricity?
You have a single road network, right? it's a miracle you can get anywhere.

Yep, it's amazing that, as bad as others characterize the health care systems of Canada or the UK, they deliver better care (by any measurable result) for ~1/2 the cost.

Personally, I'm typically in favor of systems that deliver better results for less money, but that's just me.

errc says

So what are you calling what we have now?

How is it better?

What we have now needs improvement (especially with price transparency), but Leftist want to go the "other way" for full socialized medicine.

Heraclitusstudent says

You have a single provider for water and electricity, right? Do you ever get water and electricity?
You have a single road network, right? it's a miracle you can get anywhere.

There were plenty of roads and water before Federal income tax.
Apples and Kiwis.

Goran_K says

errc says

So what are you calling what we have now?

How is it better?

What we have now needs improvement (especially with price transparency), but Leftist want to go the "other way" for full socialized medicine.

How is what we have now better?

What changed, and what is different?

Specific questions require specific answers.

Saying but leftists want, is not an answer. May as well just drool #Maga googoo gaga

We need to make cross-state health insurance legal, and allow companies to collude to create insurance companies for the benefit of employees.

No reason 50 local businesses shouldn't be allowed to combine into a pool and buy or start health insurance for their employees. Other than big Donor Insurance Companies.

Goran_K says

Heraclitusstudent says

You have a single provider for water and electricity, right? Do you ever get water and electricity?
You have a single road network, right? it's a miracle you can get anywhere.

There were plenty of roads and water before Federal income tax.
Apples and Kiwis.

So should we make the roads look like the 1900’s? Or are you saying do away with the federal income tax?

The Liberal leader of the Donner party, Chewing on Castor beans "It's better than nothing!"

Goran_K says

There were plenty of roads and water before Federal income tax.

What were they paid with?

Goran_K says

What we have now needs improvement (especially with price transparency)

Amen.

The free market can definitely improve non-emergency health care in the US. What we have now is hidden random prices which are not even the same for every patient of the same provider. "For you? Let's see, I think I'll charge you more than I charge others because you're trying to escape the insurance cartel..."

Insurance should be completely de-coupled from work and from any specific provider. But there's 3.2 trillion (yes, trillion) to be made by hiding prices and fucking over the public. Takes only a tiny sliver of that to get all of Congress to sell out and keep the scam going.

TwoScoopsPlissken says

We need to make cross-state health insurance legal, and allow companies to collude to create insurance companies for the benefit of employees.

No reason 50 local businesses shouldn't be allowed to combine into a pool and buy or start health insurance for their employees. Other than big Donor Insurance Companies.

Why should the burden of health care be tasked to employers?

Wouldn’t it be much easier to ban employers from being involved in the healthcare of employees?

Free Market Approach:
Allow insurance across state lines
Allow off shore procedures
Allow Catastrophic coverage (paying out of pocket for immunizations and routine medicine would lower costs)
Allow club or employer co-ops to buy medical insurance wholesale

Free for Everyone National Medical Service:
Set up Medical Academies and Medical ROTC where the graduate serve a 5 year commitment and are assigned locations where they are needed.
Set up High School medical tracks to train medics, equipment technicians, dental hygienists and the like

HeadSet says

Free Market Approach:
Allow insurance across state lines
Allow off shore procedures
Allow Catastrophic coverage (paying out of pocket for immunizations and routine medicine would lower costs)
Allow club or employer co-ops to buy medical insurance wholesale

Free for Everyone National Medical Service:
Set up Medical Academies and Medical ROTC where the graduate serve a 5 year commitment and are assigned locations where they are needed.
Set up High School medical tracks to train medics, equipment technicians, dental hygienists and the like

Most importantly, do away with the OTC vs prescription barrier.

No free market can exist as long as the government dictates which medicine is legal or illegal, and which cures and remedies require a permission slip from a government approved doctor.

You never hear people suggest these solutions because they get straight to the point at the heart of the issue, and most people are only capable of regurgitating talking points.

errc says

Why should the burden of health care be tasked to employers?

Wouldn’t it be much easier to ban employers from being involved in the healthcare of employees?

Lol, burden? Employers want it that way, so that employees have the problem of changing insurance when they change jobs.

The enemy is really the US Chamber of Commerce, the biggest lobbyist in DC by a long shot, which is for "strengthening the employer-sponsored system".

https://www.uschamber.com/health-care

Patrick says

errc says

Why should the burden of health care be tasked to employers?

Wouldn’t it be much easier to ban employers from being involved in the healthcare of employees?

Lol, burden? Employers want it that way, so that employees have the problem of changing insurance when they change jobs.

The enemy is really the US Chamber of Commerce, the biggest lobbyist in DC by a long shot, which wants "strengthening the employer-sponsored system".

Health Insurance is not a 401k. One does not change insurance when they change jobs, they lose insurance altogether. Poof, gone. Every last cent you ever pissed down that rabbit hole.

What is the ratio of employer provided 401k/retirement investment to “health” “insurance”?