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I know this is an old thread, but here we are at midterms again, so it's relevant.

https://www.westernjournal.com/op-ed-beware-stealth-candidates-time-vote/?seyid=12965

The goal should be to choose the most conservative candidate with the best chance of winning.

If you don’t win, then you have no chance to fight for your agenda. On the other hand, we don’t want RINOs who can win but then govern like Democrats. That often is worse than electing Democrats because it is difficult to get Republicans united to oppose them.

So we all need to be aware of “stealth candidates.” These are folks with little history of being a conservative or supporting the party. Often, they come from out of state with big money.

https://spectatorworld.com/topic/the-war-on-normal/

The eagerly anticipated midterm elections, now in a countdown, will no doubt reveal vast electoral dismay and division. Inflation, recession, crime, and border invasions are half of it. The Democratic-inspired War on Normal is the other.

However impressive GOP victories might be, the fifty-year-old progressive hegemon will endure. Identity hustles, handouts, lawlessness, and cultural rot won’t disappear after the midterms. Disparate impact, non-binary fantasies, and Supreme Court oppositionists in primal breakdowns will persist.

Beyond November, cunning propagandists with opportunities at thought control unprecedented in human history will seek to discredit their adversaries. Militants will intimidate authorities. The commercial republic and its assets are the prize. ...

Meanwhile, what Karen is thinking is how can I pull up the ladder, build a high wall, buy a safe haven, find a good school, and avoid all that seedy and weird out there, while being an ally, good person, and anti-racist? How can I … oh hell … Love wins! Trump should go to jail! He’s a monster! ...

But it’s on the progressive left where political magic elevates to faith. Starry-eyed believers dream of a better world. Their trailblazers aspire to something more sinister. Quick as lizards and equally cold-blooded, billionaire mind-warpers sell pandemonium. They seek something besides social justice, and have designs for you, me and the children.

Having tasted bourgeois accommodation and surrender, those who have ridden the mind warp to fame and fortune declare the US patrimony elitist, racist and evil. Its crimes and harms never end. This vanguard does not plan to relinquish its fictions. To do so would remove claims to compensatory privilege and sanctimony. Opportunity resides in discontent and guilt.

https://spectatorworld.com/topic/life-after-liberalism-democrats/

Life after liberalism
As its institutional order rots, will the American right be ascendant?

As elite liberals repudiate America’s past, liberal institutions lose their broad base of support. And as institutional liberalism decays, liberal intellectuals become all the more histrionic in their hype about “fascism” and threats to “our democracy.” They increasingly view a third or more of the American public as “deplorables.” Naturally enough, the voters they deplore then come to take an even dimmer view of the institutions that liberals control. The panicky way Democrats respond to Republicans makes the GOP grow stronger, and the stronger the GOP grows, the more shrill the Democratic response becomes.

Patrick says

However impressive GOP victories might be,

You are more optimistic than me about a fair election. Fake polls are already ramping up showing Dem resurgence based on abortion rights, falling gas prices, standing up to China, and droning a terrorist. Monkey Pox is now a "national emergency" that will be an excuse for expanded mail-in voting. Even if the Dem are successful in the steal, Biden and Kamala are still doomed. You know why Pelosi went to Tawain and is now talking about de-nuclearizing North Korea? Pelosi is doing these foreign affair acts because she sees herself becoming President after Biden and Kamala are removed.

HeadSet says

You are more optimistic than me about a fair election.

That was just a quote from the linked article.

I'm not at all optimistic about a fair election. The Democrats obviously cheated massively in 2020, with copious proof in 2000 Mules for starters. Why wouldn't they just continue cheating, since they are blocking all official investigation and prosecution of their fraud? They have nothing to lose by cheating more. They have zero credibility with Republicans, and Democrats are gleefully and willfully blind to the screamingly obvious election fraud - as long as it goes their way.

The problem for the Democrats is they’re stupid and corrupt. They ignore polls of public opinion.

The Democrat base doesn’t care about January 6.

Not one person has ever expressed interest in the January 6 hearings to me, but many complained about prices and rent.

But, it’s unclear how much cheating they can accomplish in November, we shall see.

I hope the Democrats fail to cheat and get their asses kicked.

Patrick says

I'm not at all optimistic about a fair election.

I actually kind of am. I don't think it can be pulled off again. There's going to be much more vigilante oversight. Good luck moving a container of ballots anywhere without it being questioned. Remember that most these people are volunteers. I see more lets go Brandon Flags in my area than the US flag. Those people will be at polling places. Could get violent in all honesty.

All elections seem big in the moment, but this is likely the biggest of my lifetime as far as anticipation for a non-POTUS election. Hell, even a POTUS election. Nothing is positive. You can't spin shit. I could easily get 4 jobs at a time and make bank. Yet no one wants to work. Something is off and I still cannot figure it out. Covid is over. MonkeyPox is literally a gay disease hitting 1-2% of the population that maybe get it. That's not an excuse for mail in voting.

Get off your ass and vote. We're becoming a nation of bums. The flu isn't going to kill you if you're not a fat ass loser. Hell, ride your bike to the polling place. Burn some calories.

WookieMan says

Get off your ass and vote.

Yes, and do NOT vote by mail, ever.

Vote in person so that they have less time to figure out how many fraudulent ballots to print up and stuff.

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/athena-thorne/2022/08/24/voters-moving-to-the-right-across-almost-every-demographic-says-massive-survey-n1623811

All that creepy experience for many years at the voting places was for a reason: it was creepy.

I am also, when they ask me if I want a printed ballot or machine voting, to comment as I did last time that the machines and mail ins are for voter fraud and I want a printed ballot. I'll also say that I will continue voting, and look forward to the day when my vote will count again in California. May as well rub it in for the creepy crawlers at the voting station.

Another important thing for Red Counties, esp. Rural ones, is to count late.

Blame it being a small county with only a few, mostly elderly, volunteers. Then claim a miscount required it to be done several times.

Red Counties must report late. If anybody noticed, Blue Cities jumped very quickly to 75-80% then 'stalled'.

The stall is the steal, they wait for the smaller red counties to report 100%, and then it's nothing for them to find a few thousand votes and simply claim a few more people voted than normally and it's a no-brainer to get enough fake votes outside the mandatory recount percentage.

Compare voter participation in 2020 - Philly to Baltimore and Newark and Buffalo in 2020 was not close. Only Dems in Philly came out in unusually record high numbers, not in other Atlantic state cities of similar demographics. The Dems didn't need to cheat to NJ or MD, but they did in Philly, PA to offset the suburbs and rural areas of that state. Similar cities in similar regions tend to have similar turnout)

The reason it took Philly and Detroit and Atlanta so long to count was because they had to find an unbelievable amount of votes to offset the massive Trump Turnout.

10,000 per student hand out might help them get it back

HeadSet says

falling gas prices

They just removed taxes. The prices are not actually falling. I've mentioned before that IL removed the MFT (motor fuel tax). This was AFTER JB nut sack raised it by some insane percentage as EV vehicle don't pay a penny towards it. IL has large nuke and natural gas capacity for power generation, so EV's here really do produce less carbon.

Growing up going to Chicago you couldn't see the Sears tower in the summer until you got past Austin and sometimes Cicero if you know 290.

Either way, they're cutting tax revenue to look good. Why did you raise it? Then suspend it? It makes no sense outside of political motivation. That's revenue is a big deal as I know the road and infrastructure industry very well. Kick the can down the road.

AmericanKulak says

Another important thing for Red Counties, esp. Rural ones, is to count late.

Blame it being a small county with only a few, mostly elderly, volunteers. Then claim a miscount required it to be done several times.

This is my polling place 100%. 2,200 people in town and maybe another 200 or so out in the farm fields. I think maybe 1k people actually vote. Trivial amount to track and turn in. I got 262 votes last election. It's a non-partisan position and you can vote for multiple people and it's not contested, but I think most just vote for one because they don't know.

But your point is accurate. All it takes is one precinct with shady shit going down to move our entire national political landscape one way or another. Dems see how the rural people vote and adjust or outright cheat if they can. R's might do it too, but I've seen little evidence if any.

WookieMan says

HeadSet says

falling gas prices

Total oil rig county is about 15% below the levels set just before the pandemic was official annouced. Biden stated that he was going to tap the strategic oil reserves until beginning of October 2022, and some states may have temporarily eliminated the gasoline and diesel taxes at the pump. That is why just after this midterm election, expect gas and diesel to timely go back up in price.

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https://covidsteria.substack.com/p/how-gop-sabotages-chances-of-winning-elections?publication_id=400307&post_id=75245043&isFreemail=true

Patrick says

https://covidsteria.substack.com/p/how-gop-sabotages-chances-of-winning-elections?publication_id=400307&post_id=75245043&isFreemail=tru

If the Repubs don't at least win the House of Representatives with a comfortable lead then this will embolden the Dems a lot.

The Dems will view this that they can win even with a President like Birdbrain in the White House and with a wrecking economy and disaster foreign policy.

And they will feel like they can realize their utopia of a one-party left wing authoritarian state with the token opposition party being the hapless Republicans.

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What do people think of the following:

When you vote (in person!), you get a ripped off half of a perforated barcode w/ number. That number lets you verify online how your vote was recorded for a very long period of time. Maybe even go a bit further and have it come with a compact printout of how you voted, so people can verify immediately, and also eliminate human memory issues when doing a verification online in a year or so. Maybe even print some clever hash on the receipt to help id when its been tampered with.

It wouldn't stop all types of vote fraud. Cheaters could still add fraudulent votes into the pool, but it seems like it would make it tougher for fraudsters to change your vote, or to discard your vote. It also seems pretty easy to do from a technical perspective.

Citizens could do their civic duty to check their vote record (ideally multiple times after the election), and report any discrepancies they notice. And auditors could ensure the web interface reports the same data as the official database and vote tallies. Maybe even have multiple 3rd party controlled computers which randomly sample poll the online db constantly, recording the results returned to it and keeping them as a historical record to help illuminate if the online db reported bogus results for some time window.

It's a small piece, but I feel that generally adding more data records and more transparency are principles which make fraud more difficult.

Hircus says

That number lets you verify online how your vote was recorded for a very long period of time.

Employers and spouses will demand to see your vote.

The former voting rights ritual known as 'The Midterms', a quaint custom of humoring those who believed they had a say in the process.

Hircus says

What do people think of the following:

Its a respectful effort as far as ensuring accuracy and integrity while not completely sacrificing privacy or secrecy of each individual vote.

Hircus says

When you vote (in person!), you get a ripped off half of a perforated barcode w/ number.

You can solve the problem of illegitimate voting, but not when your government is illegitimate.

I've seen VERY good ideas created on how to do verification, but there's no interest in it.

https://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/honestelections.html

This is the question you're asking from your government:

"Hey, you fucking cheaters that didn't get elected, why don't you implement this system that will prevent mother fuckers like you from being placed into positions of power that you weren't actually elected to?"

It’s an interesting problem. Obviously you need to do the basic stuff: voter id, clean the rolls, strict absentee laws.

But assuming your advisory has the ability to hack the machines and can add votes, how to defeat that?

You need 2fa for voting. Maybe when you register you need to provide a cell number and that gets a text or a call when you cast a vote? We could provide cheap rsa token gen fobs for people without phones?

pudil says

We could provide cheap rsa token gen fobs for people without phones?

There should be a way that there is privacy and secrecy of the vote. I like the key fob idea and being able to then submit the fob data like who they voted for to a third party which does its own vote counting. The problem is finding capable and honest third parties.

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Patrick says

Hircus says

That number lets you verify online how your vote was recorded for a very long period of time.

Employers and spouses will demand to see your vote.

If your spouse is concerned about who/what you voted for they likely won't be a spouse for long. That seems like massive controlling issues.

I could see employer being problematic though. Especially if working for a small employer. I honestly think it's one of the reasons my previous employer and I separated. I didn't quit and wasn't fired. He knew I voted for Trump. He was one of the crazy liberals and I think we both knew it wasn't going to be good moving forward so we agreed that is was over after 15 years. Was strange on my end. I wasn't hardcore at all politically. I just didn't like Hillary. He took issue with that. He was born and raised in Chicago though, so had been brainwashed his entire life and rarely traveled out of state. Mind you this was a 50 year old man. He was not right of mind.

Man.

You are looking at how to fix the elections by coming up with ideas where the government that wasn't elected decides on whether your idea is accepted or not.

It's TRIVIAL to verify the elections. Here - you have a serial number on your ballot, and you do this:

SHASUM (serialnumber + your voting choices (assigned numbers)).

The HASH won't allow people to determine how you vote, however you can verify your vote. We could have done this in 1990.

We stopped having a valid voting system when George W. Bush ended exit polling in 2004, after he "beat" Al Gore - and maybe he did. People have been screaming "Neocons are fascists!" - well, they are, but now FINALLY you can see it. Think something changed with fascists like Barack Obama or Joe Biden?

Honestly, you don’t even need anything as fancy as 2fa. Just have everyone provide a private passphrase when they register. You need to give the passphrase when you vote. Have to update your passphrase when you re-register every 2 years.

Most of the cheating is just “mules” delivering votes from drooling people in nursing homes, so it’s not going to be fixed by this. To actually fix this you probably need to repeal the 19th and add some type of land ownership or minimum tax pay requirement so voters have skin in the game.

pudil says

Honestly, you don’t even need anything as fancy as 2fa. Just have everyone provide a private passphrase when they register. You need to give the passphrase when you vote. Have to update your passphrase when you re-register every 2 years.

Most of the cheating is just “mules” delivering votes from drooling people in nursing homes, so it’s not going to be fixed by this. To actually fix this you probably need to repeal the 19th and add some type of land ownership or minimum tax pay requirement so voters have skin in the game.

Agreed. I'd add in person voting only elections or very stringent voter ID for in mail voting which has to be requested well ahead of time, maybe with workers coming to the "patient" and a body camera if necessary to fill out/record the vote. It's money well spent in that case.

I think the Democrats are overconfident in their ability to pull in dead people, nursing home vegetables, mail in ballots, printing press multiple duplicated ballots, anonymous drop boxes, No ID illegal immigrants, and internet remote controlled Dominion voting machines. Nobody even polls those. How can we go into an election without reliable polls?

Printed Receipts.

Apparently these are easy for everything from Chalupas to Scented Bath Bombs to using your Fargo Credit Union Card in Tashkent OR at the Bank of Asmodeus Branch on Bumville Street in Sacramento to your grocery bill containing Avocadoes to Zinc Vitamins plus your membership points and 2 coupons for items that were past purchases equally, but are impossible for voting machines to issue.

pudil says

Have to update your passphrase when you re-register every 2 years.

Once you're registered in IL, you're registered for life unless you move. And even then you can put a vote in at your previous location. And requiring renewing registration every 2 years would be considered voter suppression by the Dems.

mell says

very stringent voter ID for in mail voting which has to be requested well ahead of time

Besides deployed military, you just vote in person as you mentioned. If you cannot make it, oh well. I'm very anti-mail in ballot. There's really no excuse. I know nurses that do the 12 hour shift routine. They manage to vote in person. Same with firefighters. Almost all polling places are within walking distance of your home. Most employers allow time to go vote too.

As I've mentioned before red areas are generally at a disadvantage because they're rural and a lot of people have to drive to vote and I'd guess a good 10-20% say fuck it and don't vote. Here in IL farmers could still be harvesting and working 20 hour days. You don't get a day off when your entire profit for the year is sitting in the ground. Most farmers I know manage to vote though. There really is no excuse.

My old neighborhood in Chicago (Pilsen) had I believe 4-6 polling places. Elderly could walk or roll to any of them in less than a 1/4 mile. I could walk to all of them in the entire neighborhood if I wanted. All of them I think were under a 1.5 miles and I was on the far West side of the neighborhood. My local one was 300' yards away.

Still some Cassandra mavens are predicting that the Dems will find some ludicrous virtue signaling excuse to 'postpone' the midterms 'for just a month or so, to assure the safety of our poll workers and drop boxes' or some such nonsense. Of course, like 'flattening the curve in just two weeks', that could lead to an indefinite postponement and frank suspension of the Constitution for dictatorial takeover.

It appears the Satanic forces elected 'avatar of Bill Gates' to deliver their tora tora tora single broadcast truth prior to the implementations of hostilities, atrocities and solid lies, and he predicted civil war over the midterms. Well, we know who is going to start that, and it isn't the MAGA.

Hircus says

When you vote (in person!), you get a ripped off half of a perforated barcode w/ number. That number lets you verify online how your vote was recorded for a very long period of time.

That could apply to mail-in voting as well. Speaking of which, I'm guessing we're on the same page that voting should be in-person with very narrow exceptions (active-duty military in foreign lands, for example).

The problem I see with a anonymous ID number to verify recorded results is that it would allow people to sell their votes because it would allow people to prove to a payer that they voted a certain way. But this is still no worse than the current mail-in system, where anyone wishing to sell their vote would just sell their signed ballot that they didn't fill in (coupled, of course, with lax rules about allowing mules to turn in hundreds of purchased ballots). But your suggestion isn't making the vote-buying situation any worse while closing down one avenue of cheating.

So it seem to come down to needing a system that allows vote verification and also thwarts vote buying. I've been brainstorming this idea for a while, but nothing seems to work well other than the obvious: in-person voting.

An important benefit of having unique ID's for the ballots is that double-counting votes by running them through the counting machines twice will be easily thwarted. And not counting votes will be thwarted. And, if the ranges of IDs are known, printing up additional ballots will be thwarted. All-in-all, given that mail-in already has the huge problem of vote-buying and vote-harvesting, I don't see any additional downside to having these IDs.

The problem I’m trying to solve for isn’t you being able to verify your vote, it’s preventing votes from fake people.

If I can log into my work and be able to work with reasonable certainty on both sides that everyone is who they say they are and that our communications aren’t intercepted, then I should be able to log in and vote without waiting in line 2 hours.

The main problem in person voting is solving is that it is preventing idiots who don’t know shit from voting because they won’t be willing to wait in line 2 hours. This isn’t an effective solution because some will wait in the line and still vote, and also it’s wastes everyone else’s time.

We can just bypass all this trouble. Force everyone to re-register every 2 years. Put some kind of minimum bar to be able to vote.

Okay, best and final proposal. Everyone gets one vote per person they claim on their tax return. Votes are all verified using 2fa using the phone number you list on your tax return.

pudil says

Okay, best and final proposal. Everyone gets one vote per person they claim on their tax return. Votes are all verified using 2fa using the phone number you list on your tax return.

They will claim discrimination against all those who do not file taxes, and emphasis how the non-filers are heavily POC.

I'll reiterate - vote as late as possible on the day of the election. If enough people did this (like > 90%) then it would almost be possible to overwhelm the cheating apparatus.

I jest of course - the fix will be in, and in spades.

stereotomy says

I jest of course - the fix will be in, and in spades.

Agree, as they will just add the Dem votes they need to barely win toward the end of counting votes, Biden-2020-style or Lula-style.

stereotomy says

I'll reiterate - vote as late as possible on the day of the election. If enough people did this (like > 90%) then it would almost be possible to overwhelm the cheating apparatus.

I jest of course - the fix will be in, and in spades.

I heard the early voting ballots are locked up to be counted election night.

I'm not one to ever put weight on polls but having done (almost) as much as I could in NYC to see this push happen:

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/11/breaking-republican-lee-zelder-pulls-ahead-kathy-hochul-new-york-state-governors-race-promises-block-covid-mandates-children/

Lee Zeldin has taken a lead against Kathy Hochul in New York Governor Race - Trafalgar (R) Lee Zeldin: 48.4% (+0.8) (D) Kathy Hochul: 47.6%

As for the feeling here, maybe it's different than the mayoral race because many of the people experiencing post-lockdown crime were still hiding in their homes last year. As for a Republican NY gov being perceived as an impossibility, George Pataki was not that long ago, in a New York better than this one. An upset is more likely than the rest of the country might think, at least ideologically it has already occurred. I am expecting voting shenanigans especially out of the metro area, as per usual. The game to watch is by what margin they manage to stack in their favor.