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My problem with all of the 'solutions' posed by politicians- seemingly regardless of party affiliation- is that all of the problems are treating the symptom, not the root cause. Immigration happens when we provide jobs to neighboring nations that are economically depressed. Drug trafficking happens when our own people are purchasing them, often times because they're socioeconomically depressed. WE CREATE the demand, and then think that the best way to fix the problem is punishing people who are merely responding to a market opportunity. It's simple economics. We need to destroy the root of the problem by clamping down on labor violations, and quite frankly, working with countries like Mexico to set up trade agreements that are economically beneficial to both parties, not just us. It may cost us in terms of GDP but I'd be willing to posit that the offset from less illegal immigration (and the costs associated with it) would more than pay for it. The side benefit is that you'd have less hand-wringing over all this supposed voter fraud many of you are going on about.

Still waiting for evidence on that, BTW.

Evan F. says

Satoshi_Nakamoto says

All these things makes their stay here much more comfortable. It's fucking obvious.

But it's not why they come in the first place. Isn't that fucking obvious, too?

I don't fucking care why are they coming. I want it to be harder to break laws and suck from the taxpayer tit, not easier. As it stands now it gets easier with every step taken by The Party which rules this state unopposed.

Satoshi_Nakamoto says

I don't fucking care why are they coming.

Boom. That's why we'll probably never solve this problem. Nobody wants to deal with the 'why', just the 'how.'

Evan F. says

But it's not why they come in the first place. Isn't that fucking obvious, too?

Good point, actually. If businesses are penalized and will not hire illegals, and there is no welfare for them, illegals will self-remove themselves to countries of origin, thus saving removal costs. Catching 100 or even 100 000 illegals and deporting will not solve anything, just like wall will not solve the problem. Many illegals overstay visas - wall will not help there, I have no clue how one can build wall in AZ or TX desert areas which are extremely remote, etc.

Evan F. says

My problem with all of the 'solutions' posed by politicians- seemingly regardless of party affiliation- is that all of the problems are treating the symptom, not the root cause.

Here's one that solves the problem: Mandatory E-Verify. I've used it before, it's so quick and easy as to be ridiculous. There's literally no excuse besides politicians colluding with Business not to employ it.

The second is a few perp walks and total forfeiture of equipment (their F-150, all tools, etc.) from Contractors who hire illegal day laborers. Also, their home gets a lien for unpaid payroll tax.

FortWayne says

I voted, poll workers don’t want to even see an id. They just ask for name so they can match a name on a list.

Ton of room for fraud. I could have said my name is Patrick killea and gotten a ballot in his name. It’s retardedly stupid how easy voting fraud can be.

And some people think illegals don’t vote... right now anyone can stuff ballot box, there is 0 checks.

You are willfully talking nonsense and should know better, having voted in California.

In Los Angeles, when you arrive at the polling place you are not asked for ID. You are asked your name and address. Then one person looks up your name alphabetically on one printout, while a second looks you up by address. Only registered voters and non-fictitious addresses pass this system. The entries are then crossed off the master list.

If the "real" Patrick Killea came in to vote before or after, it would instantly be flagged, the event recorded, and the second person would not be given a ballot without further vetting procedures. This type of fraud is virtually unheard of.

If someone registered to vote using your address, you'd see the entry next to yours on one list. If someone registered to use your name at a different address within your voting district, if the system didn't kick this back during the registration process, you'd see another person with your exact name has appeared in your own community on the other list.

The system isn't perfect, but the amount of voter fraud under this system is better known than you've portrayed, and it's known to be a statistically insignificant percentage of the electorate.

Automan Empire says

In Los Angeles, when you arrive at the polling place you are not asked for ID. You are asked your name and address. Then one person looks up your name alphabetically on one printout, while a second looks you up by address. Only registered voters and non-fictitious addresses pass this system. The entries are then crossed off the master list.

Son I voted few days ago in a local election (Los Angeles). I was asked for my name only, the woman looked me up in the book and confirmed to me my street so she could cross out the right one. I didn't even have to say it, she told me my street and I just said "yes". I asked if she wants to see my ID, she said "no". Gave me a ballot and I voted.

End of story.

Why does it matter if they ask for an address? Doesn't prove you are a citizen.

At what point in the process do you have to prove citizenship?

If illegals are counted in the census by definition they'll have representation. In affect a 'vote' without even voting.

Also, I dated an illegal alien about 13 years ago. She was a Brazilian who over stayed her visa and was trying to wait out the chain migration line - her sister was legal. Back then whenever she called a recording told her that her case was 999 days away. Always the max. Apparently it was moving slowly after 911.

Anyhow she was 21 and had heart issues that were always sending her to the emergency room. Being a nanny making 70K under the table in Palo Alto the state just sent her letters saying basically, "No worries about the 3K you owe for your visit on X date. We'll pay it for you.".

She had what looked like a social security number, but what's instead called a tax-ID number. She couldn't use that at Foothill College, she needed a REAL social security number for that. So she stole one.