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The best case against Trump


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2018 Oct 7, 9:58am   21,127 views  210 comments

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I want to hear why a clear thinking adult would be anti-Trump.

What is your most well-reasoned anti-Trump argument? If you think he's a liar, please post the video. Or if you disagree with legislation he pioneered or executive orders, please post a link and reasoning.

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195   LeonDurham   2018 Oct 11, 5:10pm  

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says


Obama promised to renegotiate NAFTA.

Promises Made, Promises Broken.


Trump promised to get tough on Wall St. and Big Banks.

Promises Made. Promises Broken.

Reforming Wall St./Big Banks is one of my top 3 issues. I will never vote for Republicans again. period.
196   LastMan   2018 Oct 11, 6:37pm  

LeonDurham says
Trump promised to get tough on Wall St. and Big Banks.


You don't consider big tax breaks getting tough on banks?

https://www.vox.com/business-and-finance/2018/8/12/17680748/tax-cuts-big-banks-jpmorgan
197   Strategist   2018 Oct 11, 6:52pm  

LeonDurham says
Trump promised to get tough on Wall St. and Big Banks.


The big banks already face tough regulation. So tough, that it discourages them from making mortgage loans that don't conform to Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac rules. They need to ease off on the banks as it's causing more harm.
198   LeonDurham   2018 Oct 11, 6:54pm  

Strategist says
The big banks already face tough regulation.


lol--please tell me you're joking
199   Strategist   2018 Oct 11, 7:00pm  

LeonDurham says
Strategist says
The big banks already face tough regulation.


lol--please tell me you're joking


The Obama administration placed tough regulations on the banks after the government was forced to bail them out during the 2008 housing collapse.
Are you saying Obama did nothing to control banks after bailing them out? If so, that would be sheer incompetence on the part of Obama, won't it?
200   LeonDurham   2018 Oct 11, 7:31pm  

Strategist says
The Obama administration placed tough regulations on the banks after the government was forced to bail them out during the 2008 housing collapse.
Are you saying Obama did nothing to control banks after bailing them out? If so, that would be sheer incompetence on the part of Obama, won't it?


Actually, I'm saying Trump signed the law that reversed the Obama regulations. You didn't know this?

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-dodd-frank/trump-signs-bill-easing-u-s-bank-rules-into-law-idUSKCN1IP2WX
201   Strategist   2018 Oct 11, 7:34pm  

LeonDurham says

Actually, I'm saying Trump signed the law that reversed the Obama regulations. You didn't know this?


Needs to ease some more. It's still suffocating housing.
202   LeonDurham   2018 Oct 11, 7:37pm  

Strategist says


Needs to ease some more. It's still suffocating housing.


Just curious--which regulation specifically do you think is suffocating housing?
203   Strategist   2018 Oct 11, 7:51pm  

LeonDurham says
Strategist says


Needs to ease some more. It's still suffocating housing.


Just curious--which regulation specifically do you think is suffocating housing?


You don't need to know every single law or regulation in detail. That's for nerds and lawyers. I look at results, and what I see is banks arenot lending for housing like they used to, or even close. There are hardly any portfolio loans available today that gave a range of options to potential borrowers for housing loans that were available 20 to 30 years ago.
If more people are able to borrow for homes, more homes would be built, resulting in softer home prices.
204   LeonDurham   2018 Oct 11, 7:55pm  

Strategist says

You don't need to know every single law or regulation in detail.


If you're going to say regulations are suffocating the housing market, I would think you could at least name 1 regulation.

Strategist says
and what I see is banks arenot lending for housing like they used to, or even close. There are hardly any portfolio loans available today that gave a range of options to potential borrowers for housing loans that were available 20 to 30 years ago.
If more people are able to borrow for homes, more homes would be built, resulting in softer home prices.


Well, I see more types of loans available now than ever before. There is absolutely more choices now than 20-30 years ago.
205   MisdemeanorRebel   2018 Oct 11, 9:10pm  

LeonDurham says
Trump promised to get tough on Wall St. and Big Banks.


If you mean Dodd-Frank, that was a Pastiche of Reform that simply sheltered Big Banks from competition by imposing immense regulatory compliance costs.
206   LastMan   2018 Oct 12, 4:31pm  

Strategist says
I look at results, and what I see is banks arenot lending for housing like they used to, or even close. There are hardly any portfolio loans available today that gave a range of options to potential borrowers for housing loans that were available 20 to 30 years ago.


Maybe you could give some more detail on this then. Do you want to see pick-a-pay come back?
207   LeonDurham   2018 Oct 12, 4:31pm  

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
If you mean Dodd-Frank, that was a Pastiche of Reform that simply sheltered Big Banks from competition by imposing immense regulatory compliance costs.


lol--that's why Big Banks wanted it repealed so badly, right? And why they paid Trump to get it done?
208   CBOEtrader   2018 Oct 31, 11:10pm  

LeonDurham says
Trump promised to get tough on Wall St. and Big Banks.

Promises Made. Promises Broken.



Have banks done something in the last 3 years to be punished for?

You know we need reasons to prison people in the west right?
209   MisdemeanorRebel   2018 Oct 31, 11:29pm  

LeonDurham says
lol--that's why Big Banks wanted it repealed so badly, right? And why they paid Trump to get it done?


How many bankers were prosecuted criminally and went to prison under Obama-Holder?

Not given wristslap fines far less than their take, and designed to headoff and thwart state suits and prosecutions?
210   HeadSet   2018 Nov 1, 6:57am  

If more people are able to borrow for homes, more homes would be built, resulting in softer home prices.

Gotta disagree here. If more people were able to borrow, those extra people would bid up the price of existing homes. Highly qualified people can borrow now, so any expansion of borrowers would be for the less qualified folks. The less qualified type include folks who wish to live outside their means, and do not care about costs if they can squeeze in the monthly payment.

Would you say "If more people who are able to get student loans, more people would be able to go to college, which means more college courses offered, which will soften tuition prices."

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