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Herdingcats says

Can you show a similar platform advocated by the democrats? Your silence will prove me right but feel free to link to the democrats platform so as to prove me wrong.

Abolish ICE. Here's a list of Prominent Democrats.

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/07/02/politics/abolish-ice-democrats-list/index.html

Senator Warner to eliminate the Anti-Sex Trafficking Tactic of separating children from their alleged "Relatives" to see if Uncle Juan is really Pimp Juan.
https://www.warner.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/2018/6/warner-kaine-introduce-legislation-to-end-cruel-policy-that-separates-children-from-their-parents-at-the-border

Warner, Schatz, Heitkamp and former RINOs Corker and Flake and others try to take away National Security Tariffs to prevent Trump from allowing China from duping the Steel and Aluminium that Europe and others already prevented.
https://www.warner.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/2018/6/sen-warner-introduces-bipartisan-legislation-to-limit-national-security-designated-trade-tariffs

2016 Dem Platform:
For fun, do a search for "Border". The Democratic Party Platform talks about borders in Afghanistan, Russia, the Middle East, etc. - but not a single reference to our own border except a glittering generality about transnational world problems that cross borders.
https://democrats.org/about/party-platform/

The Democratic Platform on immigration is wholly about the poor illegals in the shadows, the "denigration" of immigrants, fixing immigration backlogs, getting them on ACA plans, etc. and nothing about reducing their impact on wages, housing, school systems, and infrastructure. Chillingly, it talks of "No Religious Test", which is a codeword for "we'll let all the Muslims in". So the Dem Platform only thinks our massive immigration problem is one of not enough immigrants.

And enjoy the pro-Israel references. This is the last time you'll see those.

Herdingcats says

Can you show a similar platform advocated by the democrats?

Even better, legislation: sanctuary state legislation in CA, for example.

Herdingcats says

Yes, I can. The libertarians are the ones with the platform of advocating for open boarders.

This is an over-simplification, but there's definitely truth to it. The right to travel freely is a God given right that no government should have the right to take away. I'm thinking mainly of the passport system, that didn't exist until WWII. A Libertarian mindset says let anyone in who isn't a criminal. But, and this is a BIG but, Libertarians also say no free handouts. And we are certainly in favor of jailing or deporting any law-breakers.

Goran_K says

Can anyone refute this guy's argument against Democrat open border immigration?

Are Republicans any better at cutting social services, eliminating free public education, or prosecuting employers of illegals? As none of those things have changed anytime recently, I'd say no. As usual, government is the problem, and left/right is just the distraction keeping you from identifying the solution.

NuttBoxer says

Are Republicans any better at cutting social services, eliminating free public education, or prosecuting employers of illegals?

For the most part, no. And that's why Trump got elected. Unfortunately, the swamp, RINOs, and Democrats are doing all that they can to thwart him and the preferences of the citizens.

At least Republicans are (nominally) against sanctuary cities.

Ok, but regardless of reasons or excuses, the bottom line is government isn't the answer, I don't give a fuck which side you think you're on. We want shit fixed, we have to do it ourselves.

Herdingcats says

Goran_K says

If so I'd like to hear the argument.

Yes, I can. The libertarians are the ones with the platform of advocating for open boarders.

https://openborders.info/libertarian/

Can you show a similar platform advocated by the democrats? Your silence will prove me right but feel free to link to the democrats platform so as to prove me wrong.

Nope, no silence here.

I feel like others have already done a great job of explaining, but Sanctuary Cities, SF registering illegals to vote, Abolish ICE etc,.

You won't address any of the above, so I guess your silence is going to be very telling as well.

20% of the US Population is Foreign Born.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/13/us/census-foreign-population.html

The next country is Germany, then Russia, both with just under 5%.

The USA has more than 400% foreign born as a percentage of the population, not raw numbers than the next two countries

That's overwhelmingly extreme and must be pared back at least 2/3rd

NuttBoxer says

passport system, that didn't exist until WWII

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Not true.

We should only have open borders for ppl who're independently wealthy as thus, don't require a job of any sort.

This is exactly how I plan on retiring to Australia where there is legalized hoeing.

The foreign-born population ranking is mistaken. Germany and Russia are not even close to the top in terms of foreign-born percentage, not even the US! Countries like Kuwait, Qatar, UAE have more foreign-born population than native-born population (i.e. more than 50% are foreign-born). The reason is money/opportunity. Its just like NYC and SF have much higher percentage of transplants than Boondock does. The city of Detroit had more than 80% transplants from other parts of the US when the carmakers built the city in the 1910's and 1920's.

This brings into focus the real counter-point to the video: the real legit reason for allowing immigration is not our charity, but should be to our own benefit! primary in two ways:

1. People from poorer foreign countries tend to work harder after they arrive (before the age of welfare), harder than the coddled native borns. That's to the benefit of Americans.

2. Drain the brains of countries like Russia, China and India, so they don't out-compete us in the long run. This happened previously with Germans in the 19th century. US saved England in both WWI and WWII; Eisenhower was obviously of German ancestry.

What should be abolished is the welfare system. Stopping welfare has the additional advantage of forcing immigrants to integrate into American way of life and American value, instead of isolating themselves and building their 7th century sandcastles at taxpayer expense.

Reality says

What should be abolished is the welfare system.

Up until AI eliminates all jobs. Between now and then, we should only give welfare to those citizens (read: not on visa) whose jobs are permanently automated forever.

Rin says

give welfare to those citizens whose jobs are permanently automated forever.

Does that mean stevedores should receive welfare after the invention of cranes? How about farmers after the invention of steam tractor? Of course then the steam engine mechanics after the invention of diesel engine for tractors? Then Combines and GPS-directed self-driving Combines?

Only the old and truly disabled should be receiving charity . . . and private charity (i.e. run by competitive channels) can deal with frauds much more efficiently than government bureaucrats can. Of course private charities are more likely to help citizens instead of snackbar just coming off the boat. Foreign-funded charities should be banned, as they are usually arms of foreign governments.

Reality says

Rin says

give welfare to those citizens whose jobs are permanently automated forever.

Does that mean stevedores should receive welfare after the invention of cranes? How about farmers after the invention of steam tractor? Of course then the steam engine mechanics after the invention of diesel engine for tractors? Then Combines and GPS-directed self-driving Combines?

Only the old and truly disabled should be receiving charity . . . and private charity (i.e. run by competitive channels) can deal with frauds much more efficiently than government bureaucrats can.

Not this time around, those were the agricultural to industrial to service economy shifts.

This time, however, there will be no future economy for anyone to move into, once AI eliminates all jobs. The problem with today is that the workforce has so many inefficiencies, that we can maintain a long term contracting (non-full time) workforce for at least another generation. Afterwards, however, it'll all be gone.

Rin says

Not this time around, those were the agricultural to industrial to service economy shifts.

This time, however, there will be no future economy for anyone to move into, once AI eliminates all jobs. The problem with today is that the workforce has so many inefficiencies, that we can maintain a long term contracting (non-full time) workforce for at least another generation. Afterwards, however, it'll all be gone.

When AI eliminates all human jobs, AI will eliminate all humans or turn human beings into pets (and the pound usually puts a limit on how many days the strays are kept); that's a decision for them to make.

So far, the evidence is that human beings are still the most versatile tool on the planet. However, they have a built-in preference for leisure. So removing the incentive to find new jobs or work will quickly reduce people to idleness, as all the socialist experiments found out (from Mayflower to Soviet Union).

Herdingcats says

I asked you to show us where this proof of this Democratic open boarders platform was. None has been linked.

These threads already exist and those discussions should happen in the appropriate places. Why should I discuss off topic issues here?

lol, like I said. Totally ignoring all evidence and avoiding discussion altogether just as predicted.

Herdingcats says

All of which is off topic and should be flagged.

Don't worry about such things, the mods will flag when appropriate. You're wrong in your assumptions.

However IMO you ignoring the topic and not addressing points while being argumentative is trolling. We'll see how long that lasts.