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Wealth manager: Buying a home is 'usually a terrible investment'—here's why


               
2019 Apr 20, 2:54pm   3,231 views  36 comments

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https://www.cnbc.com/2019/04/18/wealth-manager-buying-a-home-is-usually-a-terrible-investment.html

A lot of people will tell you that buying a home is a good investment, but "that couldn't be further from the truth," says Peter Mallouk, a certified financial planner and president of wealth management firm Creative Planning.

"In reality, it's usually a terrible investment," he says. That's because, at the end of the day, owning a home takes money out of your pocket: "You're paying property taxes, you're paying maintenance, you're paying insurance. There are all of these other things that happen with your home that you've got to pay for." ...

Over time, your home might increase in value, Mallouk says, but it probably won't appreciate enough to offset all of the costs. Instead, if you took what you'd save from not buying a house and invested it in something that's likely to grow in value, such as stocks and bonds, chances are you'd end up with more money in the long term.

Say you live in Brooklyn, New York, and pay $2,500 a month to rent. If you buy your own place, you might pay $5,000 a month between your mortgage, taxes and other maintenance costs, Mallouk gives as an example. (Other financial experts estimate that, thanks to home ownership costs, buying could cost you about 40% more than renting.)

"If you take the difference and you save it, that extra $2,500 you're saving in a diversified portfolio is almost certainly, over a long period of time, going to grow to be worth more than what your home equity would have been worth if you had just put the money into a home," he says.

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1   BayArea   @   2019 Apr 20, 3:14pm  

Although parts of this are true, it’s largely disingenuous.

#1.) When you invest $100k in the stock market, and the market goes up 20%, you make $20k (minus taxes on gains)

When you invest $100k downpayment (20%) into a house, and housing goes up 20%, you make $100k in equity (minus taxes on gains above $250k as a single person or $500k for married).

There in lies the power of housing as an investment.

#2.) Most of us are in CA. In this state, property tax assessments are protected by prop13.

For most people, housing is the best investment they will ever make because it takes far more know how and far more discipline to make it any other way.
2   porkchopXpress   @   2019 Apr 20, 6:30pm  

BayArea says
For most people, housing is the best investment they will ever make because it takes far more know how and far more discipline to make it any other way.
Only if you buy low. Your discipline comment doesn't apply to us who have it a la most regulars on Pat.net
3   Booger   @   2019 Apr 20, 7:57pm  

BayArea says
When you invest $100k downpayment (20%) into a house, and housing goes up 20%, you make $100k in equity


Not a fair comparison!
A fair comparison would have you buying the stock on margin!
4   SunnyvaleCA   @   2019 Apr 20, 8:09pm  

The money wasted on rent verses the money wasted on the house is difficult to compare. In my area, rents are "only" about $4k/month for a $2M house. I think you would be insane to buy a house right now and be on the hook for more than $10k/month, $6k of which is taxes, maintenance, and interest.
5   Reality   @   2019 Apr 20, 8:27pm  

Well, if the rent is $2500/mo, and the 30yr mortgage PITI payment is $5000/mo, then it of course makes sense to rent unless massive inflation is coming.

BTW, these two numbers indicate that the landlords are in effect subsidizing the tenants by digging into their hoped-for future capital gains and giving some of that money to the tenant. The Principle portion of a 30yr mortgage in the first couple decades is far less than 50% of PITI total, less than 20% at the beginning, so the landlord is literally losing thousands of dollars every month on accounting (unrealized capital gain is not an income).
6   clambo   @   2019 Apr 20, 10:27pm  

The reasons a house seems like a good investment are: 1. you have leverage; the value of the house may increase a large % in proportion to your actual cash down payment 2. you are likely to pay your mortgage while investing may seem optional 3. some tax breaks may seem good 4. in a dire situation you can seek a roommate and collect rent to pay your costs.

But, in many cases the money you would have after a few decades of investing for capital appreciation may exceed the value of your house or condo.

Further, the problem of getting your capital out of the house to spend during your retirement may be complicated. You have to reverse mortgage it to get your money back so you can actually spend your equity.

While trying to convince my younger friends to follow my example and invest for their future I calculated $500 per month invested for capital appreciation (stock mutual fund) will become $1 million (assume 8.5% return)

Of course, people will argue; a. 8.5% is an optimistic assumption b. $1 million in 33 years isn't worth so much.

By the way; 1/2 the people buying expensive houses in San Francisco and Santa Cruz are using stock gains from their high tech employers in the first place.

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