Fuck Electric Vehicles, But More Importantly, Fuck Their Sanctimonious Owners.
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Eric Holder
2024 Aug 20, 12:45pm
Eric Holder
2024 Aug 20, 12:45pm
DemocratsAreTotallyFucked says
Eh? Tesla would take about the same (or more, due to bigger battery) to fully charge on a 110V outlet. Not sure what's news here exactly. That woman being a stupid cunt who didn't do her homework before plunking down a chunk of cash?
But! But Tesla! <- is what our Tesla Fluffers on PatNet will say.
Heading them off at that pass: Fuck Tesla, this is an EV thread, not a Tesla-only thread.
Eh? Tesla would take about the same (or more, due to bigger battery) to fully charge on a 110V outlet. Not sure what's news here exactly. That woman being a stupid cunt who didn't do her homework before plunking down a chunk of cash?
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WookieMan
2024 Aug 20, 12:54pm
WookieMan
2024 Aug 20, 12:54pm
Eric Holder says
Yeah, you need at least 220V on a 50amp breaker. The funny part is if you have natural gas, LED lights, efficient appliances, etc. you could power a 1,500 sq. ft. house on that. But that's what you'd need to power a car. Ain't cheap to run that at home either. Looking at $3-5k for electric install on top of overpaying for an EV. Talking a sedan too. CT or a Rivian would be even more. At least $20k in the hole.
How much gas is that? Oil change? All other maintenance is pretty similar. Maybe a starter or muffler. Still way cheaper for an ICE. Better range. Easier fill up.
Eh? Tesla would take about the same (or more, due to bigger battery) to fully charge on a 110V outlet. Not sure what's news here exactly. That woman being a stupid cunt who didn't do her homework before plunking down a chunk of cash?
Yeah, you need at least 220V on a 50amp breaker. The funny part is if you have natural gas, LED lights, efficient appliances, etc. you could power a 1,500 sq. ft. house on that. But that's what you'd need to power a car. Ain't cheap to run that at home either. Looking at $3-5k for electric install on top of overpaying for an EV. Talking a sedan too. CT or a Rivian would be even more. At least $20k in the hole.
How much gas is that? Oil change? All other maintenance is pretty similar. Maybe a starter or muffler. Still way cheaper for an ICE. Better range. Easier fill up.
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stfu
2024 Aug 20, 3:50pm
WookieMan says
May be $3k for an attached garage where you only have to fish through drywall and 2x4's. 220VAC 50A requires 3x6AWG conductors and a ground wire. If you have a detached garage you'll be running that through Schedule 80/40PVC at 18inch depth or IMT conduit (metal) at 12 inch depth with the appropriate sub panel and isolated grounding rods installed in the out building. Around here you would be looking at $10k for that much work if you hired an electrician.
I'm all on board with EV's as long as we are limiting that to Weed wackers and leaf blowers. I love not having to get an ICE engine running to do a 15 minute job on my yard. As far as driving anywhere past the end of my driveway in a four wheeled version of my Greenworks leaf blower? Naw ... I'm good with my V8 pickup.
Looking at $3-5k for electric install on top of overpaying for an EV.
May be $3k for an attached garage where you only have to fish through drywall and 2x4's. 220VAC 50A requires 3x6AWG conductors and a ground wire. If you have a detached garage you'll be running that through Schedule 80/40PVC at 18inch depth or IMT conduit (metal) at 12 inch depth with the appropriate sub panel and isolated grounding rods installed in the out building. Around here you would be looking at $10k for that much work if you hired an electrician.
I'm all on board with EV's as long as we are limiting that to Weed wackers and leaf blowers. I love not having to get an ICE engine running to do a 15 minute job on my yard. As far as driving anywhere past the end of my driveway in a four wheeled version of my Greenworks leaf blower? Naw ... I'm good with my V8 pickup.
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DOGEWontAmountToShit
2024 Aug 20, 4:28pm
DOGEWontAmountToShit
2024 Aug 20, 4:28pm
DemocratsAreTotallyFucked says
And surprise! Surprise!
Eric Holder says
But! But Tesla! <- is what our Tesla Fluffers on PatNet will say.
Heading them off at that pass: Fuck Tesla, this is an EV thread, not a Tesla-only thread.
And surprise! Surprise!
Eric Holder says
Tesla would take about the same
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Ceffer
2024 Aug 27, 3:03pm
Ceffer
2024 Aug 27, 3:03pm
Oh, look, you can buy your own remote controlled personal incinerator, in case you can't make it to the long lines at state sponsored suicide pods. Only problem is, you're not the one with the remote control.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/08/dozens-rivian-evs-go-up-massive-ball-fire/
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/08/dozens-rivian-evs-go-up-massive-ball-fire/
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ForcedTQ
2024 Aug 27, 9:15pm
WookieMan says
Yeah, resi power 2 legs would be 240V. So total wattage on that 50 amp dual pole would be 9.6 kW, if you maintain the 20% safety factor for the circuit. Have a 90 kWh EV battery at 50%? Charging is what 85% efficient? So 45 kWh / .85 = 52 kWh, and 5.5 hours on that 9.6 kW charger. If you let it start at 9pm it’ll be done at 2:30am, hopefully ….
Eric Holder says
Eh? Tesla would take about the same (or more, due to bigger battery) to fully charge on a 110V outlet. Not sure what's news here exactly. That woman being a stupid cunt who didn't do her homework before plunking down a chunk of cash?
Yeah, you need at least 220V on a 50amp breaker. The funny part is if you have natural gas, LED lights, efficient appliances, etc. you could power a 1,500 sq. ft. house on that. But that's what you'd need to power a car. Ain't cheap to run that at home either. Looking at $3-5k for electric install on top of overpaying for an EV. Talking a sedan too. CT or a Rivian would be even more. At least $20k in the hole.
How much gas is that? Oil change? All other maintenance is pretty similar. Maybe a starter or muffler. Still way cheaper for an ICE. Better range. Easier fill up.
Yeah, resi power 2 legs would be 240V. So total wattage on that 50 amp dual pole would be 9.6 kW, if you maintain the 20% safety factor for the circuit. Have a 90 kWh EV battery at 50%? Charging is what 85% efficient? So 45 kWh / .85 = 52 kWh, and 5.5 hours on that 9.6 kW charger. If you let it start at 9pm it’ll be done at 2:30am, hopefully ….
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Stout
2024 Aug 28, 6:45am
https://www.rideapart.com/news/728316/samsung-ss-ev-battery-coming-soon/
How does a 20-year lifespan and a nine-minute charging time sound?
Plus, Samsung’s solid-state battery comes with all the perks associated with these types of batteries including lighter weight and improved safety thanks to a more stable thermal balance. But perhaps the best part is that Samsung’s solid-state battery tech has around 500 watt-hours per kilogram. That’s nearly double the energy density of the batteries found in most EVs today. And so in the real world, we could be looking at about 600 miles of range on a single charge.
How does a 20-year lifespan and a nine-minute charging time sound?
Plus, Samsung’s solid-state battery comes with all the perks associated with these types of batteries including lighter weight and improved safety thanks to a more stable thermal balance. But perhaps the best part is that Samsung’s solid-state battery tech has around 500 watt-hours per kilogram. That’s nearly double the energy density of the batteries found in most EVs today. And so in the real world, we could be looking at about 600 miles of range on a single charge.
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zzyzzx
2024 Aug 28, 7:41am
zzyzzx
2024 Aug 28, 7:41am
Stout says
https://www.newscientist.com/article/2398896-what-are-solid-state-batteries-and-why-do-we-need-them/
What are solid-state batteries and why do we need them?
Batteries containing solid electrolytes have many theoretical benefits, but a technique to manufacture them cheaply has been elusive
It has electrolytes
Samsung’s solid-state battery
https://www.newscientist.com/article/2398896-what-are-solid-state-batteries-and-why-do-we-need-them/
What are solid-state batteries and why do we need them?
Batteries containing solid electrolytes have many theoretical benefits, but a technique to manufacture them cheaply has been elusive
It has electrolytes
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Ceffer
2024 Aug 30, 11:16pm
Ceffer
2024 Aug 30, 11:16pm
I wound up behind one the Toyota hydrogen cell cars coming into my hood in Santa Cruz. I didn't recognize the nameplate, so I looked it up. They are still in the stage of being 'wealth show off and conversation piece' cars, I presume, before improving and becoming a bit more mainstream.
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Ceffer
2024 Sep 5, 8:01pm
Ceffer
2024 Sep 5, 8:01pm
Regular computerized cars can be kill boxes, too, but I guess electric cars are state of the art. I had a strange experience tonite. I was idling in the driveway waiting for my wife before we were going to Santa Cruz. The retired judge next door and his new squeeze drove by behind our car and when they were right behind me, the electronics of my car shut down for a moment until they drove by to their house, then they came back on. I have to figure out what kind of jamming is going on there.
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RWSGFY
2024 Sep 5, 10:53pm
RWSGFY
2024 Sep 5, 10:53pm
Ceffer says
No they are not: you can get a 2 yo one for $15K with a $15K fuel card on the hood. Hardly a "wealth show off", LOL.
I wound up behind one the Toyota hydrogen cell cars coming into my hood in Santa Cruz. I didn't recognize the nameplate, so I looked it up. They are still in the stage of being 'wealth show off and conversation piece' cars, I presume, before improving and becoming a bit more mainstream.
No they are not: you can get a 2 yo one for $15K with a $15K fuel card on the hood. Hardly a "wealth show off", LOL.
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Blue
2024 Sep 5, 11:35pm
I know someone in South Bay who got Mirai. He is very happy with the Car for the last about 2 years. The drawback is, he can’t drive away from Bayarea and slight anxiety about running out of hydrogen.
Once, elsewhere I owned a car that runs with both LPG and regular gas. With simple flip switch, fuel source can be changed. Perhaps, those models could make sense financially in US as well.
Once, elsewhere I owned a car that runs with both LPG and regular gas. With simple flip switch, fuel source can be changed. Perhaps, those models could make sense financially in US as well.
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WookieMan
2024 Sep 6, 7:25am
WookieMan
2024 Sep 6, 7:25am
Gas/oil is proven. I ain't switching. I know multiple EV owners, they're not popular here in IL. They all have had dead batteries at some point. I'm V8 or bust. I tow weekly. Carpool and pick up or drop off up to 6 kids. No EV meets those specs. No range anxiety.
They're zippy cars. If your dick is that small then own it. I'd say the same of Corvette owners. A to B, function and reliability. ICE has all. Even if it wasn't overpriced like they are, I ain't touching them over the utility factor.
They're zippy cars. If your dick is that small then own it. I'd say the same of Corvette owners. A to B, function and reliability. ICE has all. Even if it wasn't overpriced like they are, I ain't touching them over the utility factor.
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RWSGFY
2024 Sep 6, 8:15am
RWSGFY
2024 Sep 6, 8:15am
Blue says
There are no more than 5 hydrogen filling station in the whole Bay Area and if you read reviews on google maps they are down more time then they are up. So in addition to hydrogen price tripling over the last year or two you are dealing with the hassle of driving out of your way to fill up and maybe driving some more if the station you drove to is down. Then there is waiting in line because sometimes the station is crowded and sometimes the nozzle freezes to the car and you need to wait consideable time for it to unfreeze. It's a shitshow and a major PITA.
I know someone in South Bay who got Mirai. He is very happy with the Car for the last about 2 years. The drawback is, he can’t drive away from Bayarea and slight anxiety about running out of hydrogen.
There are no more than 5 hydrogen filling station in the whole Bay Area and if you read reviews on google maps they are down more time then they are up. So in addition to hydrogen price tripling over the last year or two you are dealing with the hassle of driving out of your way to fill up and maybe driving some more if the station you drove to is down. Then there is waiting in line because sometimes the station is crowded and sometimes the nozzle freezes to the car and you need to wait consideable time for it to unfreeze. It's a shitshow and a major PITA.
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DOGEWontAmountToShit
2024 Sep 20, 10:32am
DOGEWontAmountToShit
2024 Sep 20, 10:32am
DemocratsAreTotallyFucked says
August EV sales in Germany were down 69% y-o-y, and down 44% across the EU.
Wonder what they are for the US.
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socal2
2024 Sep 20, 12:45pm
DemocratsAreTotallyFucked says
Can't imagine it has anything to do with this.
German economy unexpectedly shrinks, inflation ticks higher
https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/german-economy-unexpectedly-shrank-by-01-second-quarter-2024-07-30/
DemocratsAreTotallyFucked says
August EV sales in Germany were down 69% y-o-y, and down 44% across the EU.
Wonder what they are for the US.
Can't imagine it has anything to do with this.
German economy unexpectedly shrinks, inflation ticks higher
https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/german-economy-unexpectedly-shrank-by-01-second-quarter-2024-07-30/
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socal2
2024 Sep 20, 2:42pm
Once the envy of the world, Germany’s car brands now weigh heavily on its struggling economy
Germany’s car industry was once recognized around the world for its high-quality, innovative internal combustion engine cars. Owning a German car was a luxury and status symbol. And carmakers were thriving, boosting the country’s economy.
But the picture has since become bleaker.
The latest example is the developments at Volkswagen
— which earlier this week said it was no longer able to rule out plant closures in its native Germany and felt it may need to end its employment protection agreement that has been in place in the country since 1994.
https://www.cnbc.com/2024/09/06/once-the-envy-of-the-world-germanys-car-brands-are-weighing-heavily-on-its-struggling-economy.html
Germany’s car industry was once recognized around the world for its high-quality, innovative internal combustion engine cars. Owning a German car was a luxury and status symbol. And carmakers were thriving, boosting the country’s economy.
But the picture has since become bleaker.
The latest example is the developments at Volkswagen
— which earlier this week said it was no longer able to rule out plant closures in its native Germany and felt it may need to end its employment protection agreement that has been in place in the country since 1994.
https://www.cnbc.com/2024/09/06/once-the-envy-of-the-world-germanys-car-brands-are-weighing-heavily-on-its-struggling-economy.html
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Ceffer
2024 Oct 27, 2:25pm
Ceffer
2024 Oct 27, 2:25pm
Did I leave the seat warmer on high, or did I do something to offend the Deep State?
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DOGEWontAmountToShit
2024 Oct 31, 5:59pm
DOGEWontAmountToShit
2024 Oct 31, 5:59pm
This one reminds me of a typical conversation on PatNet involving @socal2
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Electricity for much of the US and world is powered through coal, its just a switch to another equal pollutant. The batteries and materials used in EVs are full of heavy metals, not to mention that when the batteries in an EV combust they fill the air with pollutants, burning heavy metals that fire departments cant extinguish. Lastly, theres not enough data on current EVs to determine their shelf life, given the materials and amount of electronics, i imagine the shelf life of an EV will be significantly shorter than that of an ICE vehicle.
Given all of that, you will still be subject to the bitching and moaning of bugmen and babies who have never changed their oil in their life. The sheer panic that these people attempt to spread and their ever changing timeline of ecological destruction is obnoxious. These arent folks who attempt to clean up India or China(our leading polluters) but they want to concentrate on stripping you of your ability to choose.
The government is only too happy to comply too. The more that bloodsucking government can entangle themselves in transportation, the more control they have over you and your movement. The government gives companies like Tesla "Credits" that they can sell to ICE manufacturers who dont develop EVs, or dont develop them to the point that the government wants. This allows failing EV companies, like Tesla, to stay afloat even though they cant run a business efficiently. Honestly this type of behavior is more akin to a villain from an Ayn Rand novel, both with the governments overreach and with the behavior of many EV owners in general.