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Misc says

The governments did fine him. Not all the money he made off the drugs, but at least some of it.

That's a start, right?

As a rule, when you commit a crime, you don't get to keep any of the loot from the crime, and have to either go to prison. Keeping a lot of the loot and walking around free doesn't seem like any deterrent to future crime at all.

RWSGFY says

So are the people of p.net who think the war on drugs should end and all drugs should be legal the same bunch of people who hate Sakler family or they are two different groups? It feels like there is a non-insignificant intersection between them.

Who thinks all drugs should be legal?

Patrick says

Who thinks all drugs should be legal?

C'mon, it was practically mainstream opinion here not a long ago (within a decade I'd say). End war on drugs, legalize pot, legalize this and that...

If you legalize drugs, then the FDA has to ease food vendor rules and restrictions.
I mean if they can sell you a sack of heroin that could kill you, then what say does the FDA have in meddling in my rancid three day old unrefrigerated meat pies I'm selling on the street?

I don't want to see any drug legalized, the game gets rigged and only the powerful are allowed to grow, and sell it.
The legalization of pot, has not allowed anyone in any state to grow their own pot, which would be my ideal way of acquiring it, if I had my druthers.

Tenpoundbass says

The legalization of pot, has not allowed anyone in any state to grow their own pot

You can grow up to 12 plants for your own consumption in CA, iirc.

Ceffer says

There is likely some kind of liability, but it would require intricate forensic examination rather than wholesale demonization based on the deaths of end users. People will always seek these drugs and routinely die from them.

Let me explain the scam that the Sackler's pulled.

Oxycotin was said to have "long lasting effects", and it's big advantage, supposedly, was that 1 pill is all you needed for 12 hours. If that didn't alleviate the patient's pain, the recommendation was for the doctor to increase the dosage.

Opiates are very effective at reducing pain - but having a massive dose can create a euphoria. What should have been done is that instead of increasing the dose, the dose should have been more frequent but the recommendation, traced back to the Sackler's was to increase the dose but not the frequency. It's THIS that caused addiction. Patients would have been FAR less likely to become addicts if they more frequently took Oxycontin, and kept the overall daily dosage the same, or even reduce it.

The Sackler's lied about Oxycontin's addictiveness to give it a competitive advantage over other concoctions, and simultaneously purposely recommended doses to be large and infrequent to increase the likelihood they would have patients for life.

This resulted in many deaths, destroyed families, of course addition. I think the Sackler's should be made destitute and imprisoned. What they did was absolutely criminal. Even if it was just negligence, it was criminal negligence.

https://petermcculloughmd.substack.com/p/the-final-tally-of-purdue-pharmas

The Final Tally of Purdue Pharma's Crime Will Be Dwarfed By What Is Now In the Making
What caused the young reporter to collapse on live TV?

Eric Holder says

You can grow up to 12 plants for your own consumption in CA, iirc.

I believe the FDA and the DEA will come down on you. You can only grow if you're a licensed grower.

Tenpoundbass says

I believe the FDA and the DEA will come down on you. You can only grow if you're a licensed grower.

They won't. How can they? They don't have the resources. Just don't have a Karen as a neighbor. This is why rural living is the way to go.