The attempt at impeachment is the elites subverting democracy
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richwicks
2019 Oct 7, 6:21pm
richwicks
2019 Oct 7, 6:21pm
NoCoupForYou says
I'd say they have no clue about those countries.
I'd say Paleocons want don't want to support ANY nation. We have have friendly relations, but if a company goes into Crappastan or Vomitoria makes a major investment, gets their butts kicked out by the next socialist government, they made an economic mistake and it's not the US Federals' government to clean up your mispricing of risk.
Israel costs 4 billion dollars a year in aid now, THEY have a wall, they don't have extradition, they spy on us constantly, they cause problems with all their neighbors, we have to clean up shit they start CONSTANTLY, we're somehow responsible for their defense, they spy on US directly, they steal and resell our technology, they have an illegal nuclear weapons programs - why are we "friends"?
The best explanation is Jeffrey Epstein worked for Mossad and has a lot of people compromised, and there's unrelenting propaganda about how Israel is the only democracy in the Middle East. No, it's not, Syria is. Believe that poppycock about Assad being a mean old dictator? Well, all the refugees that CIA/Mossad/Mi6/ISIS created were returning, we'll see after today.
Engh, whatever. We'll be this stupid and compromised until we collapse.
My point is that it's not a coincidence that the countries that are among those dislike us most, the Left wants us to imitate.
I'd say they have no clue about those countries.
The countries that like us the most, the Paleocons want us to abandon the Most
I'd say Paleocons want don't want to support ANY nation. We have have friendly relations, but if a company goes into Crappastan or Vomitoria makes a major investment, gets their butts kicked out by the next socialist government, they made an economic mistake and it's not the US Federals' government to clean up your mispricing of risk.
Israel costs 4 billion dollars a year in aid now, THEY have a wall, they don't have extradition, they spy on us constantly, they cause problems with all their neighbors, we have to clean up shit they start CONSTANTLY, we're somehow responsible for their defense, they spy on US directly, they steal and resell our technology, they have an illegal nuclear weapons programs - why are we "friends"?
The best explanation is Jeffrey Epstein worked for Mossad and has a lot of people compromised, and there's unrelenting propaganda about how Israel is the only democracy in the Middle East. No, it's not, Syria is. Believe that poppycock about Assad being a mean old dictator? Well, all the refugees that CIA/Mossad/Mi6/ISIS created were returning, we'll see after today.
Engh, whatever. We'll be this stupid and compromised until we collapse.
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MisdemeanorRebel
2019 Oct 7, 7:47pm
MisdemeanorRebel
2019 Oct 7, 7:47pm
richwicks says
Out of a ~4T budget, or wayyy less than of 1/10% of the US budget. We give more to Afghanistan and Egypt, but Paleocons mention Israel 1000 times everytime they mention those other countries, which reasonably brings motives to question because it's the Paleocon's most hated Government expenditure.
Furthermore, almost 100% of that $4B goes to General Dynamics, Lockheed-Martin, etc. to support jobs.
Also, did you know the $4B is really not important to Israel? Their annual Gov't Budget (NOT GDP) is ~$100B USD. So if we completely cut off the aid, they would simply raise taxes and cut expenditures a notch.
One of the things they'd probably cheap out on though, is that very expensive F-35. Probably buy a Saab Grippen or Mitsubishi instead. So there goes jobs and exports.
richwicks says
As does Jordan and Saudi Arabia. The Vatican. Mexico with Guatemala. In fact, the Jordan Wall was paid by Obama and the US Taxpayer, while Congress refused to build anything on the US-Mex border.
The Neoliberal Open Borders people not wanting to control entrance into the US via land border barriers has bupkiss to do with Israel.
richwicks says
Wrong. Extradition treaty signed 1962, came in force 1963.
http://www.mcnabbassociates.com/Israel%20International%20Extradition%20Treaty%20with%20the%20United%20States.pdf
Interestingly, among crimes like Murder, Burglary, Fraud, etc. it includes Abortion. Oh, how far we've fallen.
richwicks says
Their neighbors declared war on them the day they were declared an independent state and recognized by the UN. Apparently 22 Arab Muslim States aren't enough.
If you want to speak of exceptionalism, Palestinians are the only refugees in the world that are considered permanent, even if they have multiple nationalities and properties and have been settled in Jordan, UK, USA, or anywhere else for generations. Rashida Talib and Cockroach are literally refugees even though they were born in the USA, as are their kids, even though THEIR parents were born in Jordan and were fully naturalized US citizens and own multiple properties and businesses in the USA.
No other refugees - from Korean War to Congo to Rohinghya to Serbians illegally expelled by Croatia from the Krajina - or anyone else - is considered to remain a refugee after merely being "Settled" (temporary residency) somewhere else. Palestinians are refugees forever, they keep it regardless of whether they have gotten full citizenship elsewhere or in multiple nations, and their children inherit the status like a title of Nobility granted by the UN.
richwicks says
For Instance? Certainly not the Afghan or Iraq Wars. And the Muslim Brotherhood's key member, a guy named Al-Qutb, became radicalized against the West after he saw square and ballroom dancing in Greeley Colorado (now Northern Colorado University) in the 1940s.
Now do Saudi Arabia.
The only time US forces have been deployed to defend Israel was 1991, during the Gulf War, which was done when Saddam Hussein invaded Kuwait and then attacked into Saudi Arabia. Only when the world responded did Saddam try to distract by launching some Scuds into Israel.
I remember Helen Thomas : "Why are you deploying Patriots Missiles to Israel, Bush Senior?"
"Because they're neutral but being bombed anyway, Helen."
That shut her ass up.
richwicks says
Debatable; but all our allies spy on us just like Obama and Bush spied on NATO members like Germany. The worst US spy in recent years was an FBI guy named Hansen (no-stein).
https://www.france24.com/en/20131024-nsa-france-spying-squarcini-dcri-hollande-ayrault-merkel-usa-obama
richwicks says
Illegal according to whom, the non-existent world registration of nukes? If you mean the Proliferation Treaty, India and Pakistan also aren't signatories. We had no problem giving Pakistan billions for about two decades after they developed nukes (only recently stopped by Trump, went on for decades), and we have no shortage of cooperation, trade, and relations with India, also.
Obviously it would be nuts for India and Israel to allow Arabs and Muslim states using UN Personnel as cover, to inspect their arsenal.
I actually would love Israeli aid to be cut totally and replaced with an obligation to buy some portion of US Products relative to their trade surplus with us.
Israel costs 4 billion dollars a year in aid now,
Out of a ~4T budget, or wayyy less than of 1/10% of the US budget. We give more to Afghanistan and Egypt, but Paleocons mention Israel 1000 times everytime they mention those other countries, which reasonably brings motives to question because it's the Paleocon's most hated Government expenditure.
Furthermore, almost 100% of that $4B goes to General Dynamics, Lockheed-Martin, etc. to support jobs.
Also, did you know the $4B is really not important to Israel? Their annual Gov't Budget (NOT GDP) is ~$100B USD. So if we completely cut off the aid, they would simply raise taxes and cut expenditures a notch.
One of the things they'd probably cheap out on though, is that very expensive F-35. Probably buy a Saab Grippen or Mitsubishi instead. So there goes jobs and exports.
richwicks says
THEY have a wall
As does Jordan and Saudi Arabia. The Vatican. Mexico with Guatemala. In fact, the Jordan Wall was paid by Obama and the US Taxpayer, while Congress refused to build anything on the US-Mex border.
The Neoliberal Open Borders people not wanting to control entrance into the US via land border barriers has bupkiss to do with Israel.
richwicks says
they don't have extradition
Wrong. Extradition treaty signed 1962, came in force 1963.
http://www.mcnabbassociates.com/Israel%20International%20Extradition%20Treaty%20with%20the%20United%20States.pdf
Interestingly, among crimes like Murder, Burglary, Fraud, etc. it includes Abortion. Oh, how far we've fallen.
richwicks says
they cause problems with all their neighbors,
Their neighbors declared war on them the day they were declared an independent state and recognized by the UN. Apparently 22 Arab Muslim States aren't enough.
If you want to speak of exceptionalism, Palestinians are the only refugees in the world that are considered permanent, even if they have multiple nationalities and properties and have been settled in Jordan, UK, USA, or anywhere else for generations. Rashida Talib and Cockroach are literally refugees even though they were born in the USA, as are their kids, even though THEIR parents were born in Jordan and were fully naturalized US citizens and own multiple properties and businesses in the USA.
No other refugees - from Korean War to Congo to Rohinghya to Serbians illegally expelled by Croatia from the Krajina - or anyone else - is considered to remain a refugee after merely being "Settled" (temporary residency) somewhere else. Palestinians are refugees forever, they keep it regardless of whether they have gotten full citizenship elsewhere or in multiple nations, and their children inherit the status like a title of Nobility granted by the UN.
richwicks says
clean up shit they start CONSTANTLY
For Instance? Certainly not the Afghan or Iraq Wars. And the Muslim Brotherhood's key member, a guy named Al-Qutb, became radicalized against the West after he saw square and ballroom dancing in Greeley Colorado (now Northern Colorado University) in the 1940s.
Now do Saudi Arabia.
we're somehow responsible for their defense
The only time US forces have been deployed to defend Israel was 1991, during the Gulf War, which was done when Saddam Hussein invaded Kuwait and then attacked into Saudi Arabia. Only when the world responded did Saddam try to distract by launching some Scuds into Israel.
I remember Helen Thomas : "Why are you deploying Patriots Missiles to Israel, Bush Senior?"
"Because they're neutral but being bombed anyway, Helen."
That shut her ass up.
richwicks says
they spy on US directly
Debatable; but all our allies spy on us just like Obama and Bush spied on NATO members like Germany. The worst US spy in recent years was an FBI guy named Hansen (no-stein).
https://www.france24.com/en/20131024-nsa-france-spying-squarcini-dcri-hollande-ayrault-merkel-usa-obama
richwicks says
they have an illegal nuclear weapons programs - why are we "friends"?
Illegal according to whom, the non-existent world registration of nukes? If you mean the Proliferation Treaty, India and Pakistan also aren't signatories. We had no problem giving Pakistan billions for about two decades after they developed nukes (only recently stopped by Trump, went on for decades), and we have no shortage of cooperation, trade, and relations with India, also.
Obviously it would be nuts for India and Israel to allow Arabs and Muslim states using UN Personnel as cover, to inspect their arsenal.
I actually would love Israeli aid to be cut totally and replaced with an obligation to buy some portion of US Products relative to their trade surplus with us.
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marcus
2019 Oct 7, 8:28pm
marcus
2019 Oct 7, 8:28pm
Patrick says
I don't need to read this to tell you why this is total rubbish.
1) EVen if he's impeached, which he probably won't be, it doesn't mean he has to leave office. (See Clinton - who actually finished very popular).
2) Many people think that a Trump impeachment is the best thing that could happen to TRump politically, realative to the 2020 election. Pump up the HATE baby !! "how dare they ! Your posted essay is an example of what I mean. I know this without reading it.
Those that are pursuing impeachment are just showing Trump that there are consequences for his behavior, and that getting the dictatorship that he wants is not going to happen.
And actually rather than subverting democracy, it's democracy in action, to the extent that we even have democracy in this republic. THat is, it wouldn't happen if it weren't popular.
Popular is the rather perverse reason TRump is POTUS in the first polace. So how can you complain about a popular impeachment of the guy - based on legit wrong doing.
The attempt at impeachment is the elites subverting democracy
I don't need to read this to tell you why this is total rubbish.
1) EVen if he's impeached, which he probably won't be, it doesn't mean he has to leave office. (See Clinton - who actually finished very popular).
2) Many people think that a Trump impeachment is the best thing that could happen to TRump politically, realative to the 2020 election. Pump up the HATE baby !! "how dare they ! Your posted essay is an example of what I mean. I know this without reading it.
Those that are pursuing impeachment are just showing Trump that there are consequences for his behavior, and that getting the dictatorship that he wants is not going to happen.
And actually rather than subverting democracy, it's democracy in action, to the extent that we even have democracy in this republic. THat is, it wouldn't happen if it weren't popular.
Popular is the rather perverse reason TRump is POTUS in the first polace. So how can you complain about a popular impeachment of the guy - based on legit wrong doing.
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MisdemeanorRebel
2019 Oct 7, 9:10pm
MisdemeanorRebel
2019 Oct 7, 9:10pm
marcus says
I thought Clinton was impeached, he wasn't.
marcus says
I think it will hurt the Democrats worse than it hurt the Republicans with Clinton.
Democrats don't understand that the Public, outside the Beltway and Lib Prog enclaves, are getting tired of the ceaseless impeachment.
They are beginning to contrast the jovial, jocular Trump with the pinched face Karens and Soyboys who drama queen every pathetic accusation.
marcus says
What evidence that Trump is seeking a dictatorship? If you mean civil servants don't like him, that's tough cookies, executive power rests with the President, not unelected government bureaucrats. We do indeed need insubordination as a reason to sack a civil servant. They don't have to like it, but they have to follow instructions like any employee; they don't make corporate policy unless otherwise directed.
Now I wonder if there are laws - I'd be shocked if not - against Bribing Public Employees.
https://dailycaller.com/2019/10/07/exclusive-fbi-official-sports-tickets-cnn/
Of course, the media would spin this subversion as a "war on the press."
1) EVen if he's impeached, which he probably won't be, it doesn't mean he has to leave office. (See Clinton - who actually finished very popular).
I thought Clinton was impeached, he wasn't.
marcus says
2) Many people think that a Trump impeachment is the best thing that could happen to TRump politically, realative to the 2020 election. Pump up the HATE baby !! "how dare they ! Your posted essay is an example of what I mean. I know this without reading it.
I think it will hurt the Democrats worse than it hurt the Republicans with Clinton.
Democrats don't understand that the Public, outside the Beltway and Lib Prog enclaves, are getting tired of the ceaseless impeachment.
They are beginning to contrast the jovial, jocular Trump with the pinched face Karens and Soyboys who drama queen every pathetic accusation.
marcus says
Those that are pursuing impeachment are just showing Trump that there are consequences for his behavior, and that getting the dictatorship that he wants is not going to happen.
What evidence that Trump is seeking a dictatorship? If you mean civil servants don't like him, that's tough cookies, executive power rests with the President, not unelected government bureaucrats. We do indeed need insubordination as a reason to sack a civil servant. They don't have to like it, but they have to follow instructions like any employee; they don't make corporate policy unless otherwise directed.
Now I wonder if there are laws - I'd be shocked if not - against Bribing Public Employees.
https://dailycaller.com/2019/10/07/exclusive-fbi-official-sports-tickets-cnn/
Of course, the media would spin this subversion as a "war on the press."
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WookieMan
2019 Oct 8, 7:20am
WookieMan
2019 Oct 8, 7:20am
marcus says
What wrong doing? If he's done anything wrong, then the entire legislative branch needs to be impeached as well, lol. For doing the same things Trump does. He's exposed their game and they're freaking out. If anyone cared to investigate, pretty much our entire Congress would be gone tomorrow if it could happen that fast.
If I'm right on Trump's personality, everyone in Congress should be watching their backs. He's digging up dirt and had dirt before he even decided to run on a ton of these people. It's not illegal to find out facts on other people unless you're bribing them or threatening physical harm. Neither of which Trump has done most likely (not as POTUS at least) and if he had would have been impeached already.
Still amazes me no one can get the shit to stick to the wall on an NYC real estate developer. Given the origins of this site, I'd guess some of you would have been in or dealt with real estate people. I guess not.
So how can you complain about a popular impeachment of the guy - based on legit wrong doing.
What wrong doing? If he's done anything wrong, then the entire legislative branch needs to be impeached as well, lol. For doing the same things Trump does. He's exposed their game and they're freaking out. If anyone cared to investigate, pretty much our entire Congress would be gone tomorrow if it could happen that fast.
If I'm right on Trump's personality, everyone in Congress should be watching their backs. He's digging up dirt and had dirt before he even decided to run on a ton of these people. It's not illegal to find out facts on other people unless you're bribing them or threatening physical harm. Neither of which Trump has done most likely (not as POTUS at least) and if he had would have been impeached already.
Still amazes me no one can get the shit to stick to the wall on an NYC real estate developer. Given the origins of this site, I'd guess some of you would have been in or dealt with real estate people. I guess not.
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Bd6r
2019 Oct 8, 8:28am
Bd6r
2019 Oct 8, 8:28am
WookieMan says
That I find extremely interesting as well. Three possible explanations...
1. If they dig something up, it will smear a lot of people in "political elite" - kind of like Epstein case but with mafia instead of underage girls
2. To win elections, D's need to keep up noise without actually indicting anyone (impeach and then R nominee is Pence who will win)
3. People doing digging are fucking stupid and incompetent.
Still amazes me no one can get the shit to stick to the wall on an NYC real estate developer.
That I find extremely interesting as well. Three possible explanations...
1. If they dig something up, it will smear a lot of people in "political elite" - kind of like Epstein case but with mafia instead of underage girls
2. To win elections, D's need to keep up noise without actually indicting anyone (impeach and then R nominee is Pence who will win)
3. People doing digging are fucking stupid and incompetent.
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Patrick
2019 Oct 8, 8:32am
Patrick
2019 Oct 8, 8:32am
4. Trump always planned to run for office one day, and knew they would come looking, so was careful not to give them any ammo.
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Bd6r
2019 Oct 8, 8:46am
Bd6r
2019 Oct 8, 8:46am
Patrick says
I don't see how anyone in NY real estate could survive (and not fertilize Hudson river while wearing cement boots) without connections to mafia in 70's.
4. Trump always planned to run for office one day, and knew they would come looking, so was careful not to give them any ammo.
I don't see how anyone in NY real estate could survive (and not fertilize Hudson river while wearing cement boots) without connections to mafia in 70's.
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mell
2019 Oct 8, 8:53am
6rdB says
Exactly. And they knew this back then as well when they cheered orange man in the Oprah show, he was their mobster back then. Say what you want but Trump has been one of the most consequential people, doing exactly what he said he would do 30 years ago. The leftoid screeching is the real embarrassment, they swing their opinion daily as long as its against bad orange man. Syria war good, Syria war bad, NK war bad, NK talks bad. lol
Patrick says4. Trump always planned to run for office one day, and knew they would come looking, so was careful not to give them any ammo.
I don't see how anyone in NY real estate could survive (and not fertilize Hudson river while wearing cement boots) without connections to mafia in 70's.
Exactly. And they knew this back then as well when they cheered orange man in the Oprah show, he was their mobster back then. Say what you want but Trump has been one of the most consequential people, doing exactly what he said he would do 30 years ago. The leftoid screeching is the real embarrassment, they swing their opinion daily as long as its against bad orange man. Syria war good, Syria war bad, NK war bad, NK talks bad. lol
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marcus
2019 Oct 8, 4:51pm
marcus
2019 Oct 8, 4:51pm
Onvacation says
It's easy to get where he's going with it. You didn't read the rest of my comment, which is also an opinion piece.
SO by your reasoning that's just as much willful ignorance.
Willful ignorance.
It's easy to get where he's going with it. You didn't read the rest of my comment, which is also an opinion piece.
SO by your reasoning that's just as much willful ignorance.
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MisdemeanorRebel
2019 Oct 8, 10:56pm
MisdemeanorRebel
2019 Oct 8, 10:56pm
mell says
NeverTrump also. Jennifer Rubin was against the Iran Deal, until Trump cancelled it. Then she was for it.
The leftoid screeching is the real embarrassment, they swing their opinion daily as long as its against bad orange man. Syria war good, Syria war bad, NK war bad, NK talks bad. lol
NeverTrump also. Jennifer Rubin was against the Iran Deal, until Trump cancelled it. Then she was for it.
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clambo
2020 Feb 6, 2:38pm
November 2016 was a bloodless revolution, and the rebels won.
The evil Empire tried to strike back, and has failed.
I hope that the rats like Comey, Brenner, McCabe and their ilk get their just desserts after November 2020.
At least McCain’s dead, now Romney is the traitor senator.
When or if Trump wins this November, I’m gonna drown myself and maybe someone else in Pol Roger, Tattinger, Bollinger or similar.
The evil Empire tried to strike back, and has failed.
I hope that the rats like Comey, Brenner, McCabe and their ilk get their just desserts after November 2020.
At least McCain’s dead, now Romney is the traitor senator.
When or if Trump wins this November, I’m gonna drown myself and maybe someone else in Pol Roger, Tattinger, Bollinger or similar.
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MisdemeanorRebel
2020 Feb 6, 3:25pm
MisdemeanorRebel
2020 Feb 6, 3:25pm
1 Corinthians 1:27
But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise, and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;
But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise, and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;
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