9
0

The attempt at impeachment is the elites subverting democracy


 invite response                
2019 Oct 3, 8:26am   2,561 views  74 comments

by Patrick   ➕follow (59)   💰tip   ignore  

https://spectator.us/impeachment-regime-suicide/

Impeachment is a regime counter-attack against a man elected to bring about change. ​And while impeachment is certainly constitutional, it is an elite procedure not a democratic one. The prestige media has passed the first judgment on whether it’s warranted in this case. (It is, they say.)

The Democratic House will investigate and then — inevitably, if they’re not to lose the faith of their own voters — bring articles of impeachment. Ultimately, the Senate will hold the trial (if Mitch McConnell can’t delay it until the election), and Trump will almost certainly be acquitted on a partisan vote. Instead of showing, as the Nixon and Clinton impeachments did, that party isn’t quite everything and some establishment cohesion remains, the failure of the Trump impeachment will deepen the divisions of 2016 and sharpen the question of regime legitimacy. A mistaken premise — overestimation of support for the ruling class and their rules — will lead to the regime losing rather than gaining credibility. This will be most obvious among the activist wing of the Republican party, but the effects won’t stop there.

​The old saying is that if you strike at a king, be sure to kill him. In this case, the regime is striking not a king but at the very idea that an elected official can challenge the establishment. This risks revealing just how weak the country’s ruling class really is: if 40 percent of the country remains with Trump through the ordeal of impeachment, that will show that 40 percent is anti-regime — revolutions are made with less. And that 40 percent would be a floor, not a ceiling; a starting point for a future anti-regime movement.

The moderate path here is the one that eschews impeachment and instead shows that the elite still has faith in elections. Let the voters decide whether they want to defend the ‘norms’ of the regime, and even if they decide not to — by re-electing Trump — the regime will have lost less credibility than it stands to through a failed attempt at impeachment. Legitimacy is bleeding away from American politics and society, and Trump is a symptom not the cause. The cause is the folly of America’s leadership class as a whole. Electing Trump was the public’s way of impeaching that class.

« First        Comments 64 - 74 of 74        Search these comments

64   Onvacation   2019 Oct 8, 5:53am  

marcus says
I'm don't need to read this

Willful ignorance.
65   WookieMan   2019 Oct 8, 7:20am  

marcus says
So how can you complain about a popular impeachment of the guy - based on legit wrong doing.


What wrong doing? If he's done anything wrong, then the entire legislative branch needs to be impeached as well, lol. For doing the same things Trump does. He's exposed their game and they're freaking out. If anyone cared to investigate, pretty much our entire Congress would be gone tomorrow if it could happen that fast.

If I'm right on Trump's personality, everyone in Congress should be watching their backs. He's digging up dirt and had dirt before he even decided to run on a ton of these people. It's not illegal to find out facts on other people unless you're bribing them or threatening physical harm. Neither of which Trump has done most likely (not as POTUS at least) and if he had would have been impeached already.

Still amazes me no one can get the shit to stick to the wall on an NYC real estate developer. Given the origins of this site, I'd guess some of you would have been in or dealt with real estate people. I guess not.
66   Bd6r   2019 Oct 8, 8:28am  

WookieMan says
Still amazes me no one can get the shit to stick to the wall on an NYC real estate developer.

That I find extremely interesting as well. Three possible explanations...

1. If they dig something up, it will smear a lot of people in "political elite" - kind of like Epstein case but with mafia instead of underage girls
2. To win elections, D's need to keep up noise without actually indicting anyone (impeach and then R nominee is Pence who will win)
3. People doing digging are fucking stupid and incompetent.
67   Patrick   2019 Oct 8, 8:32am  

4. Trump always planned to run for office one day, and knew they would come looking, so was careful not to give them any ammo.
68   Bd6r   2019 Oct 8, 8:46am  

Patrick says
4. Trump always planned to run for office one day, and knew they would come looking, so was careful not to give them any ammo.

I don't see how anyone in NY real estate could survive (and not fertilize Hudson river while wearing cement boots) without connections to mafia in 70's.
69   mell   2019 Oct 8, 8:53am  

6rdB says
Patrick says
4. Trump always planned to run for office one day, and knew they would come looking, so was careful not to give them any ammo.

I don't see how anyone in NY real estate could survive (and not fertilize Hudson river while wearing cement boots) without connections to mafia in 70's.


Exactly. And they knew this back then as well when they cheered orange man in the Oprah show, he was their mobster back then. Say what you want but Trump has been one of the most consequential people, doing exactly what he said he would do 30 years ago. The leftoid screeching is the real embarrassment, they swing their opinion daily as long as its against bad orange man. Syria war good, Syria war bad, NK war bad, NK talks bad. lol
70   marcus   2019 Oct 8, 4:51pm  

Onvacation says
Willful ignorance.


It's easy to get where he's going with it. You didn't read the rest of my comment, which is also an opinion piece.

SO by your reasoning that's just as much willful ignorance.
71   MisdemeanorRebel   2019 Oct 8, 10:56pm  

mell says
The leftoid screeching is the real embarrassment, they swing their opinion daily as long as its against bad orange man. Syria war good, Syria war bad, NK war bad, NK talks bad. lol


NeverTrump also. Jennifer Rubin was against the Iran Deal, until Trump cancelled it. Then she was for it.
73   clambo   2020 Feb 6, 2:38pm  

November 2016 was a bloodless revolution, and the rebels won.

The evil Empire tried to strike back, and has failed.

I hope that the rats like Comey, Brenner, McCabe and their ilk get their just desserts after November 2020.

At least McCain’s dead, now Romney is the traitor senator.

When or if Trump wins this November, I’m gonna drown myself and maybe someone else in Pol Roger, Tattinger, Bollinger or similar.
74   MisdemeanorRebel   2020 Feb 6, 3:25pm  

1 Corinthians 1:27
But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise, and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;

« First        Comments 64 - 74 of 74        Search these comments

Please register to comment:

api   best comments   contact   latest images   memes   one year ago   random   suggestions