patrick.net

Yeah, that was going around at work a couple of hours ago too haha... Doesn't look like it'll affect anyone I work with:

Sec. 3. Scope of Suspension and Limitation on Entry. (a) The suspension and limitation on entry pursuant to section 2 of this proclamation shall apply only to any alien who:

(i) is outside the United States on the effective date of this proclamation;

(ii) does not have a nonimmigrant visa that is valid on the effective date of this proclamation; and

(iii) does not have an official travel document other than a visa (such as a transportation letter, an appropriate boarding foil, or an advance parole document) that is valid on the effective date of this proclamation or issued on any date thereafter that permits him or her to travel to the United States and seek entry or admission.

KgK one says

Some sort of h1b will live. Us education doesn't produce enough smart people, they product athletes

Yeah the list of Indian inventors is endless. That’s why when you go there the streets are filled with amazing inventions Athletic Americans can only dream of created by the brilliantly educated Indian ppl.

Most Indians I work with can’t manage to QA my code, let alone actually come up with their own shit.

Everybody at work liked that move. Even some former H1B holders who are citizens now. Funny how the perspective changes.

Epic thread from Eric Weinstein (the great NSF STEM conspiracy has been his hobby horse for a couple of decades).
https://twitter.com/EricRWeinstein/status/1275207997958975488

EDIT: Here's Weinstein's original paper on the topic. What a mensch!
How and Why Government, Universities, and Industry Create Domestic Labor Shortages of Scientists and High-Tech Workers (PDF Alert!)

We lost a millionaire! Because racism!

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/02/14/republicans-join-democrats-import-h-2b-visas/?source=patrick.net

A group of Senate Republicans has joined Senate Democrats to demand President Joe Biden import more H-2B foreign visa workers to take working-class, blue-collar American jobs.

On Monday, 17 Senate Republicans signed a letter with 17 Senate Democrats that urges Biden to “release the maximum allowable number of additional” H-2B foreign visa workers to inflate the labor market despite more than 12 million Americans remaining jobless, though all want full-time employment.

The senators also asked Biden to speed up the process so U.S. employers could get foreign visa workers quicker into blue-collar American jobs, often in construction, landscaping, the tourism industry, and other occupations.

“Without meaningful H-2B cap relief, many seasonal businesses will be forced to scale back operations, cancel or default on contracts, lay off full-time U.S. workers, and, in some cases, close operations completely,” the senators wrote.

The 17 Republicans who signed the letter are:

Kevin Cramer (R-ND)
Mike Rounds (R-SD)
Lindsey Graham (R-SC)
James Risch (R-ID)
Lisa Murkowski (R-AK)
Roy Blunt (R-MO)
Cynthia Lummis (R-WY)
John Cornyn (R-TX)
Mike Crapo (R-ID)
John Thune (R-SD)
Susan Collins (R-ME)
Pat Toomey (R-PA)
Roger Wicker (R-MS)
Jerry Moran (R-KS)
Rand Paul (R-KY)
John Barrasso (R-WY)
Tim Scott (R-SC)

WTF are they doing?

H1B visa workers are scabs, taking jobs away from American workers.
Scumbag overlords hire them to save money and fuck over American workers.
The system sucks, is abused, and all H1B workers should be sent to their respective hellhole TFCs (totally fucked countries).

Patrick says

WTF are they doing?

bowing to their corporate overlords. Currently labor has some negotiating powers, but after importing a few hundred thousand workers it will go away.

HunterTits says

Yes, tech salaries have been soaring these past four months.

I have direct hires (senior engineers) who make as much as I did as a Staff engineer a few months ago.

I see the same in biotech and pharma. Easier to get jobs and pay is going up.

Issue is they can't find Americans to do these low paying jobs.
Instead of illegals who didn't go thru health n background check, these might be better option.

Americans don't want to do them, specially with all the money u can make thru welfare. Why the f would u work n make less money than, get more thru welfare.

HunterTits says

Bd6r says

bowing to their corporate overlords. Currently labor has some negotiating powers, but after importing a few hundred thousand workers it will go away.

Yes, tech salaries have been soaring these past four months.

I have direct hires (senior engineers) who make as much as I did as a Staff engineer a few months ago.

Yep can confirm as lead that lead or very senior techs are closing in on their managers salaries. Supply and demand.

KgK one says

Issue is they can't find Americans to do these low paying jobs.

Raise salaries and workers will appear. Of course, less money will be available for Big Business owner yachts!!!

Fact is H1B will not end just because people want it to when corporations want H1B.

Patrick says

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/02/14/republicans-join-democrats-import-h-2b-visas/?source=patrick.net

A group of Senate Republicans has joined Senate Democrats to demand President Joe Biden import more H-2B foreign visa workers to take working-class, blue-collar American jobs.

On Monday, 17 Senate Republicans signed a letter with 17 Senate Democrats that urges Biden to “release the maximum allowable number of additional” H-2B foreign visa workers to inflate the labor market despite more than 12 million Americans remaining jobless, though all want full-time employment.

The senators also asked Biden to speed up the process so U.S. employers could get foreign visa workers quicker into blue-collar American jobs, often in construction, landscaping, the tourism industry, and other occupations...

Republicans are no better than Democrats.

These are all corporate sell out RINO's, yes they are replacing Americans. They don't give a fuck, money from corporations makes their life comfortable, they don't care that they are fucking everyone else over in the process. They are fucking fags.

HunterTits says

Translation: I see the writing on the wall and I can't go to VCs with my slide deck full of how we'd leverage H1-B workers anymore.

Boy those are still very common. Even I see those and think to myself… wtf is this?

FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut says

These are all corporate sell out RINO's, yes they are replacing Americans. They don't give a fuck, money from corporations makes their life comfortable, they don't care that they are fucking everyone else over in the process. They are fucking fags.

This has been going on for at least 3 decades, when will it stop? Never? Is it all about money, all the time?

https://www.leefang.com/p/big-tech-resumed-hiring-foreign-workers?publication_id=1239256&post_id=121722245&isFreemail=true

Big Tech Resumed Hiring Foreign Workers Just Weeks After Layoffs

New disclosures released yesterday show Google, Amazon, Facebook, and other firms requesting foreign worker H-1B visas this year.

gabbar says

FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut says

These are all corporate sell out RINO's, yes they are replacing Americans. They don't give a fuck, money from corporations makes their life comfortable, they don't care that they are fucking everyone else over in the process. They are fucking fags.

This has been going on for at least 3 decades, when will it stop? Never? Is it all about money, all the time?

those people don’t give fucks about anything else.

Trump must finish Hindu 🇮🇳 H1B to restore jobs for 🇺🇸 whites.

https://barsoom.substack.com/p/the-great-christmas-h1b-war-of-2024

This unexpected collision with political reality knocked the tech CEOs right on their asses, where they sat with halos of little dollar signs orbiting their concussed heads as they blinked in bewilderment that anyone could oppose capitalist meritocracy. ...

America’s culture of valourizing the prom queen over the valedictorian, the jock over the nerd, of spending their childhood doing things other than homework-maxing, is why Americans are so clueless when it comes to engineering, and that general inbred Yankee don’t-know-how is why they’re forced, with tears of regret in their eyes, to recruit H1Bs from the degree mills of the subcontinent, at 60% of the wages an American would be paid for the ‘equivalent’ (i.e., of incomparably superior quality) work. ...

The chuds don’t care because, for the chuds, this is not a matter of ‘economics’, of Big Line Go Up. It is a question of their homeland, what is happening to it, and whether they even get to have one. It is about being ethnically replaced. It is about being relentlessly undercut by the cheap labour of bargain-basement aliens, whose presence en masse makes it harder to get a job, depresses the wages of what jobs you can get, and inflates the cost of housing. It is about being expected to work twice as hard as your grandfather for half the standard of living. It is about decades of affirmative action policies which have frustrated young white men at every step of their lives, from being treated like defective girls in elementary school, to being made to affirm that their ancestors were genocidal racists in high school, to being deprioritized for admissions, scholarships, internships, and mentoring in college, to being discriminated against in hiring and passed over for promotions in the workplace, all while being expected to clap like trained seals for their own dispossession while being gaslit that that they are not being dispossessed and if they’re having problems it must be their fault because they just suck and clearly the women and the immigrants are just better than them. ...

The tech CEOs are morally retarded: like the blind or the deaf or perhaps most tragically of all like my cousin who was born without a sense of smell, they cannot parse arguments that arise from the evidence of the senses they do not possess. The sense of having a homeland, a place in which you belong, in which you can be surrounded by people like you, whom you can understand implicitly, is full of unquantifiable intangibles that cannot be exported to .csv. ...

Long and bitter experience has demonstrated time after time that small concessions invariably become the camel’s nose of demographic change. From the 1965 immigration act that Americans were promised would not alter the country’s demographics to Reagan’s amnesty for illegal immigrants that categorically did not lead to either E-Verify or a closed border, Americans have been lied to time and again on this question. ...

When tech CEOs tried to argue that there are vast economic benefits from all of the innovation that their elite human capital would bring to the US, people pointed out that what they really meant was ‘indentured workers who can’t change jobs and are employed at well below market rates’.




Others pointed out that the supposed shortage of skilled engineers is belied by years of tech layoffs.

Other anons spammed screenshots from the federal H1B database showing case after case of H1Bs being brought in as janitors, cooks, secretaries, administrative assistants, 7-11 cashiers, even pickleball coaches, along of course with every entry-level intern position you can think of. This is very familiar to Canadians, who were told we were getting doctors and engineers, when what we actually got were Tim Horton’s workers, Uber drivers, truckers tikka masala (who cannot drive and have turned our highways into death traps), and real estate scams.

It turns out, for example, that despite being capped at around 85,000 per year, applications for ten times this number are routinely approved1. Since we have been assured that the H1B program is only bringing in the top 0.01% of the best and brightest of the planet’s elite human capital, we come to the remarkable conclusion that the Earth contains an incredible eight billion software engineers. Who knew? The analysis also finds that H1Bs are paid well below market rates, are predominantly concentrated in entry and mid-level positions in a tech sector which has been undergoing rounds of mass layoffs (with financial services as the runners up), and that while most of the companies using them are household names (Google, IBM, Amazon) quite a
large number are awarded to Indian-run ‘consulting’ firms such as Cognizant or Tata which exist solely to profit off of the skim from labour arbitrage. ...

The immigration debate changed this week, not only in the US, but everywhere in the English-speaking world, and I think that change will be permanent.

For years now the immigration debate has circled almost exclusively around undocumented, irregular migration: border-jumping illegals in the US, asylum seeking sub-Saharans and Arabs in Europe. Supporters of irregular migration usually invoke humanitarian concerns – the poor children are fleeing war, or crushing poverty, or climate change, or whatever – while opponents contrast this with the humanitarian interests of the natives, whom the “humanitarians”’ guests have a tendency to rape, assault, rob, murder, and otherwise terrorize, occasionally with actual terrorism, most recently less than two weeks ago at the Magdeburg Christmas market. ...

Legal immigration is on the table now as a topic of discussion. Cutting it off entirely is inside the Overton Window. In fact, judging by sentiment on X, a total immigration moratorium is a broadly popular stance.

As a Canadian, I’m thrilled to see this. Illegal immigration has never been much of a problem in Canada. There’s a small amount of it, either coming across the land border with the US or, more often, via visa overstays, but it’s really a rounding error. The vast majority of the immigration into Canada has been entirely legal: permanent residencies, new citizens, student visas, and temporary foreign workers have collectively summed to well over a million new arrivals, every year, for years now, and before that they were coming over at the rate of hundreds of thousands a year – roughly one percent of the population annually – for decades.

And it has been a disaster. ...

Falling per capita GDP has occurred alongside one of the worst real estate bubbles on the planet, effectively pricing young Canadians out of the property market, and yes, that’s largely because of the massive increase in demand for housing. ...

Canada is a country on the edge of collapse, and it is entirely due to mass immigration.

There is a pattern here. One can point to the failure of mass immigration to pay off in economic growth in other countries. Great Britain and its long malaise is an obvious case in point. Australia has pursued a similar policy to Canada’s, with similarly dire results. In Denmark a recent study demonstrated that non-white immigrants are net lifetime tax burdens.




... One by one, all of the economic arguments in favour of mass migration from the third world to Western countries have been dismantled, leaving the pro-foreign labour side sputtering to a deeply unsympathetic mob about how their business model requires them to close off entry-level employment opportunities while under-investing in education and training at home, eating the seed corn of future prosperity in order to fatten the stock portfolios of foreign-born executives, and that this is what is called ‘America winning’. ...

Economics and legality are distractions, chaff thrown up by one side or the other to keep attention away from the primal psychological forces that are actually at work:

The territory of one people being given to others.

In particular, the white peoples of the world being displaced and disinherited, as their lands, their institutions, and their infrastructure are taken from them lot by lot and job by job by colonizers from the global south.

That is, in the end, what it comes down to.

Some are doing this out of pure short-sighted greed. Others are animated by barely-concealed ethnic resentment. Both of these motivations are ignoble and ugly, and the people of America – and increasingly, the rest of the world’s besieged white peoples – are done with all of it. You don’t get to spit in our faces and tell us it’s raining. ...

COVID was probably the last great hurrah of the legacy institutions as consensus-makers. They bullied and manipulated the world into lockdowns, vaccine mandates, and all the rest of their destructive and unnecessary nonsense, and along the way a critical mass of the populace simply developed herd immunity to the mind viruses the media specializes in spreading. Sometime during COVID, amidst all the official censorship and the rising elite panic of ‘disinformation’, it started to feel like the legacy media was reacting to the social networks, with the latter increasingly driving the news cycle, deciding what would be discussed and what the frame of that discussion would be. Now, we’ve entered a time in which the legacy media simply doesn’t matter. ...

Grievances have been articulated, but not addressed. Moreover, just closing down the H1B program isn’t really sufficient – it’s almost certainly true that there really is something of a skills shortage. Decades of systematic neglect of America’s human capital has discouraged many otherwise promising young men from even bothering to develop their skills. After all, what’s the point if the jobs are just going to be allocated on the basis of identity markers? ...

My humble suggestion is that peace can be made for the low, low price of a billion dollars. Maybe a few billion. That’s a ballpark figure, about what I would imagine it would cost to set up a national network of training campuses designed to teach young Americans the skills they need for employment in artificial intelligence, aerospace, automation, 3D manufacturing, and whatever other emerging industries the tech sector is hoping to get rich on.

Why new institutions? Well, because the existing ones are weighed down by decades of affirmative action. They’re rotted out through and through by gay race communism. Both administration and professoriate are lousy with ideological fanatics. By all means, purge them, but this will be a long and gruelling process. Easier to just start fresh, with instructors who aren’t ideological and actually know what they’re doing, inside an organizational culture that’s laser-focused on merit, with a remit to scour the country for talent, develop that talent, and then – via direct connections to the corporate sector – provide a pipeline straight from high school, through engineering boot camp, to well-paid entry-level positions.

DOGEWontAmountToShit says

Lol, what is that, like 17 seconds of Apple revenue?

A real penalty has to HURT and hurt a fucking lot.

$25 billion would be a good starting fine for Apple. Just for starters, and to double every time they fuck up again.

Patrick says

DOGEWontAmountToShit says

Lol, what is that, like 17 seconds of Apple revenue?

A real penalty has to HURT and hurt a fucking lot.

$25 billion would be a good starting fine for Apple. Just for starters, and to double every time they fuck up again.

👍

DOGEWontAmountToShit says

Agreeing with Sanders has never been on my bingo card, but he's right on this one.

Now, let's talk about the ever-increasing offshoring of jobs. Engineering, QA, IT, finance, and customer service. Most goes to India, Mexico, and China. Chinese workers all report to the CCP and code is often stolen. I guess India seemed like a more secure bet. It takes at least 3 Indian employees for every good American, and years of training (with US training their replacements), but I guess the corporate overlords are good with that. Customers have become numb to daily patch releases and products that don't work.

https://x.com/mich_enjoyer/status/1874892912225620425
H-1Bs Add to Michigan’s Brain Drain

For every foreign worker one of our companies takes in, a native son or daughter has to leave

By James Dickson (
@downi75
)

The H-1B program is costing you your grandchildren. The Great Replacement is not a theory anymore. In Michigan, you could say it’s our lived experience.

Here’s how it works: A company—let’s say Whirlpool—wants to hire senior software engineers to work out of its Benton Harbor headquarters.

It hires the engineers through a third party—say, Atos Syntel. Some make $70,000 a year, others make $80,000.

But the going rate for a senior software engineer in West Michigan is well above $100,000. H-1B workers filling those roles make a lot less money.

This means one of two things. Both are bad for Michigan natives.

It could mean that the engineer is not actually senior, and that he is filling an early-career role could go to one of the 5,000 new college graduates who leave Michigan every summer in search of the good jobs we supposedly don’t have.

Or it could mean that the engineer actually is senior, and hiring an American of comparable skill would cost a lot more money.

For two decades now, we have lamented Michigan’s brain-drain problem. Every year, thousands of our new college graduates take their degrees and earning potential to other states. If only there was something we could do to keep them!

We need cool cities, said Gov. Jennifer Granholm.

We need to build the 21st-century economy, said Gov. Rick Snyder.

Gov. Gretchen Whitmer admitted she didn’t know what to do and put together a blue-ribbon panel to find answers.

The panel came up empty, but the answer to our twin problems of brain drain and the talent gap is staring us in the face. If we want to keep our kids home, we need to kick our addiction to cheap labor. It’s not that the H-1B visa program is bad, it’s that we need a program just like it for Michigan…

preed says

Agreeing with Sanders has never been on my bingo card, but he's right on this one.

Same here. And I posted this for the same reason.

Michael Moore was right about the 2016 election, too.

https://newrightpoast.substack.com/p/199-h-1beef

The ones who flew into the United States on H1B visas, however, were a far different
story, and begins the modern saga of ethno-narcissism and shameless cheating. While
our team in India was the utmost of professionalism, that can't be said for many of
their compatriots. The 2010's saw a huge influx of Indian visa holders flying into the
country, largely ones who had no business doing so. One H1B contractor we received
a was a whole different level of incompetence. His first code check-ins were SO
wrongheaded they didn't even compile, seemingly just copy-pasted from Stack
Overflow. We had to constantly hold his hand through solving the issues in the code
review until someone had enough and just did it himself. We asked our lead to
delegate him more menial tasks, which he obliged. His next task was to update a JIRA
script to automatically change status when an item was filled out. It was literally a
two-line code change. He made no progress for two weeks, stating he was "looking at
the documentation". Then he called in sick for a week. Then we guided him through
the solution, and he still fucked it up. Then he called in sick for another week. Again,
we did the job for him, and he asked us to email the code so he could check it into
Github under his own name. We refused.

Pericles 'Perry' Abbasi @ElectionLegal • Dec 29, 2024

I love being lectured on meritocracy by people who come from a country with a caste system

https://socialmatter.substack.com/p/on-indians

At first everything was fine. Their output was consistently solid, and the contractors were cordial and communicative, even the remote ones with the time difference, and everything was on time. It wasn’t to last though. The competence level on the on-site contractors was all over the map, ranging from excellent to barely being able to code. Worse, the quality of work from the engineers in India dropped dramatically, and we later found out they are notorious for putting their best employees on a project, then shifting to their B-Team after six months once they felt like they were locked in.

Woo hopium meets the H-1b?

https://t.me/qthestormrider777/25570

Patrick says

Propaganda works but it has its limitations (it can get neutralized by contrarian media channels)....wage suppression is one of the tactics utilized for managing American people in general and American whites in particular, as Bernie notes above; corporations (not just tech but other trades like housing, automotive, retail etc. benefit) are bribing government to make this happen...both unaccountable Democrat and Republican Inc. and they are happy to oblige through this importation of cheap labor...... An independent American who cannot be leveraged is not desirable for government.

Plus monies from H1B is shifted to other federal departments, its a cash cow.

Patrick says

https://socialmatter.substack.com/p/on-indians

At first everything was fine. Their output was consistently solid, and the contractors were cordial and communicative, even the remote ones with the time difference, and everything was on time. It wasn’t to last though. The competence level on the on-site contractors was all over the map, ranging from excellent to barely being able to code. Worse, the quality of work from the engineers in India dropped dramatically, and we later found out they are notorious for putting their best employees on a project, then shifting to their B-Team after six months once they felt like they were locked in.

So A-team is being replaced by B-team with lower wages?

Patrick says

If true, this is evil being done by that particular agency/administration. I know a couple of people who work at Amazon warehouse in Cleveland. One is a single white grandma and one a single white woman with a young kid.....its hard work and they are happy with their jobs....this shit will impact people like them eventually.