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WookieMan says

Again. More upset. Thanks for proving the point. Invest and be a billionaire

Talk about a red flag.

www.youtube.com/embed/Qoj__Sd66pE

Cash says

You are a nobody and I can care less about what you or anyone like you thinks. I put it on the table take it or leave it.

Then why keep quoting and responding directly to us? You clearly do care. You also have put nothing on the table. You're upset about our statements without explaining why BTC is a good investment. If I came on here and said public stock of Ford is going to the moon, wouldn't you question that? At least with Ford you have financials and required reporting of who owns what that you can somewhat trust. Do you not understand that is part of our rational? It's an indisputable issue with crypto.

FuckCCP89 says

Cash says

G36 and I are just sharing our current approach

Share the evidence of your spectacular winnings and you'll gain some credibility.

Not holding my breath.

FuckCCP,
I shared my screenshot, I havent claimed big wins.....I just starting putting money into BTC.

G36 says

I shared my screenshot, I havent claimed big wins.....I just starting putting money into BTC.

Just ignore them ;) They are so blinded they will be repeating and throwing the same monkey feces no matter how high the price of crypto might go. They have no concept of topic.

G36 says

Onvacation, for how long have you been on vacation and does that mean you are retired or you still have a job?

Cash says

G36 says

I shared my screenshot, I havent claimed big wins.....I just starting putting money into BTC.

Just ignore them ;) They are so blinded they will be repeating and trowing the same monkey feces no matter how high the price of crypto might go. They have no concept of topic.

Its too bad....i dont get why this has to be a hostile discussion. If someone doesnt like Bitcoin/Crypto for whatever reason, thats totally cool. I would never try to attack/convince that person. I am just looking for stuff that you post for instance. I want to learn and invest in Crypto, mainly Bitcoin. The fact that it has been around for so long and the fact that many Nasdaq listed companies are getting involved are valid reasons for me to believe there is a lot of upside for Bitcoin's price. The market cap of Bitcoin compared to Gold is also very bullish to me. I want to make more money and think that the chances of bitcoin going much higher in price are far greater than the risk of it losing value.

G36 says

FuckCCP,
I shared my screenshot, I havent claimed big wins.....I just starting putting money into BTC

Calm down. Most of the issue anyone here has is with the pumping and the long term value of it. People pump a position out of fear that it will go down. That's much of what the crypto people on this forum (and others) have done. It's an annoying tendency, isn't a conversation, and frankly is worthless. Crypto guys never give the why, just it's going to the moon.

And I'll repeat it again. You can make money on crypto. We're simply pointing out that it's not similar to gold or anything. It will go away. You guys just get upset and tell us we're uneducated on something that we may or may not know more than you about it. Just because you've invested doesn't mean you know a thing man. If I'm holding 2 million BTC (not dollars) I can yo-yo the market and take your money all day. You have zero clue if someone has that much. Zero. And it could be a group of people. Everything in life is to part you from your money. Crypto is no different.

G36 says

i dont get why this has to be a hostile discussion

Me neither, they must have some kind of marvel hero syndrome wanting to save us. lmao Take a moment and search Bitcoin and read some old post you will
see they have already made fools of themselves. They don't understand that the banks lost to crypto and thus the reason they now have the authority to be custodians and investors in crypto for their clients. If you can't beat them join them thats what the banks have done, lots of companies are preparing as well Paypal, MasterCard etc. My belief which I actually have some skin in the game is there could be massive gains for those willing to educate and speculate..

Hi WookieMan,
I am calm I just shared my screenshot (again) because FuckCCP asked for it (again). I thought that would be a good thing. I am not trying to pump anything. I dont care what people invest in. I am looking to discuss the topic. I think Cash shared same valuable info and perspective, thats the kind of thing i am looking for. I am not interested in calling people idiots or greater fools because they invest in something. I dont think there is any reason to attack or get upset or hostile over Bitcoin :). To me Bitcoin is a store of value/Digital gold. Thats why I invest in it. I dont feel offended if you think its trash. Totally fine by me.
I also dont predict a certain price. I would hope it goes up tremendously but i am prepared for it to swing heavily one side or the other. As i said, my long term strategy is to buy and hold. I might change my strategy and start trading it...thats why i am interested in hearing what others do (like cash).

I saw other posts from you. We share the same views on a lot of things. Crypto apparently not. Totally fine. All good man!

Cash says

you are such a joke..

When you can't refute their logic attack their person.

In every con there are the ones who make money and the rubes who lose it. If you don't know who the rube is, it might be you.

Onvacation says

When you can't refute their logic attack their person.

That is exactly what you rubes have been doing from the start.... Project often do you? LMAO

G36 says

I saw other posts from you. We share the same views on a lot of things. Crypto apparently not. Totally fine. All good man!

I like your style. I'm not here to shit on anyone. I simply don't trust crypto. I want people to make money. Everyone should. I'm purely saying be cautious. Thank you for your candor. My misconceptions of crypto people being jags 100% of the time has shifted now. Seriously.

WookieMan says

G36 says

I saw other posts from you. We share the same views on a lot of things. Crypto apparently not. Totally fine. All good man!

I like your style. I'm not here to shit on anyone. I simply don't trust crypto. I want people to make money. Everyone should. I'm purely saying be cautious. Thank you for your candor. My misconceptions of crypto people being jags 100% of the time has shifted now. Seriously.

Thats awesome! Thanks man

Cash says

there could be massive gains for those willing to educate and speculate..

Educate the people that have yet to buy?
Speculate that those you educate will buy?

Bitcoin takes massive amounts of electricity to maintain and ultimately all you own is a string of 0s and 1s on a flash drive. Why does anyone think there is value in this?

Huge Bitcoin seizure:
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2020/11/feds-seize-1-billion-in-bitcoin-from-silk-road-drug-marketplace/

rocketjoe79 says

Huge Bitcoin seizure:

Just a continuation of a case started in 2013

Onvacation says

Bitcoin takes massive amounts of electricity to maintain and ultimately all you own is a string of 0s and 1s on a flash drive. Why does anyone think there is value in this"

Is that all you got lmaol
Banks do lmao https://cointelegraph.com/news/jpmorgan-turns-bullish-on-bitcoin-citing-potential-long-term-upside now they can become custodians and investors for their clients.
https://www.occ.gov/topics/charters-and-licensing/interpretations-and-actions/2020/int1170.pdf

Millennial do as G36 shared
https://www.ccn.com/generation-bitcoin-90-of-millennials-prefer-crypto-to-gold-etf-expert/
https://markets.businessinsider.com/currencies/news/gold-bitcoin-jpmorgan-older-investors-buy-gold-millennials-prefer-bitcoin-2020-8-1029471716

There have been some awesome arguments made for crypto legitimacy as a decent speculation/investmet take it or leave it no 1 cares.

Cash says

There have been some awesome arguments made for crypto legitimacy as a decent speculation/investmet

OK, I'll bite.

What is the intrinsic value of bitcoin that makes it a good investment?

Just a reminder from Webster's

in·​trin·​sic | \ in-ˈtrin-zik , -ˈtrin(t)-sik \
Definition of intrinsic
1a: belonging to the essential nature or constitution of a thing
the intrinsic worth of a gem
the intrinsic brightness of a star

For example:
Gold is intrinsically valuable because it is shiny, doesn't corrode, and conducts electricity very well.
Silver is intrinsically valuable because it is super reflective and is used in many industrial processes.
Real estate is intrinsically valuable because it can be used to live on, farm, or build a business.
Stocks are intrinsically valuable because they represent a share of an ongoing business.

Please finish the sentence:

Bitcoin is intrinsically valuable because...

Not expecting a cogent answer.

Cash says

Onvacation says

Bitcoin takes massive amounts of electricity to maintain and ultimately all you own is a string of 0s and 1s on a flash drive. Why does anyone think there is value in this"

Is that all you got lmaol

Am I wrong?

Onvacation says

Please finish the sentence:

Bitcoin is intrinsically valuable because...

Not expecting a cogent answer.

Like I say all you want to do is be presumptive while being insulting. This is the argument you decide as you may no 1 cares https://kraken.docsend.com/view/ehvdmebb8gkveecj?utm_source=content+announcement&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=bitcoin+intrinsic+value&utm_content=content+link

Paper money has no intrinsic value, it's just a medium of exchange. I'd rather not have to carry around bags of salt or beef jerky to trade for nails and food.
Bitcoin is being used on the darknet for drug trades, buying kidneys and who knows what else.

rocketjoe79 says

Bitcoin is being used on the darknet for drug trades, buying kidneys and who knows what else.

and fiat isn't?

rocketjoe79 says

Bitcoin is being used on the darknet for drug trades, buying kidneys and who knows what else.

I know people who have started businesses with crypto gains, bought property and have donated mass amounts to charities of all sorts.

Cash says

Like I say all you want to do is be presumptive while being insulting.

Not trying to be insulting but my research has revealed that crypto implemented as a "currency" is a Ponzi scheme dependent on the next greatest fool for anyone in the system to make a profit. It has no intrinsic value and it takes massive amounts of electricity just to maintain. If the miners quit tomorrow digital "Gold" would evaporate into the ether.

Cash says

This is the argument you decide as you may no 1 cares https://kraken.docsend.com/view/ehvdmebb8gkveecj?utm_source=content+announcement&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=bitcoin+intrinsic+value&utm_content=content+link

Can you summarize why you think Bitcoin is intrinsically valuable?

Onvacation says

Can you summarize why you think Bitcoin is intrinsically valuable?

I have wasted enough time on you, your opinions have zero value to me as do mine to you..... Have a nice life....

rocketjoe79 says

Paper money has no intrinsic value, it's just a medium of exchange

Paper money is backed by the good faith and credit of the issuing country and can be freely exchanged for goods and services. Freely as in no transfer fee.

What backs bitcoin other than the faith that someday someone will buy your bitcoin, hopefully for more than you payed for it including the transaction fees?

rocketjoe79 says

Paper money has no intrinsic value

I disagree with that. The dollar is backed by this. https://www.globalfirepower.com/country-military-strength-detail.asp?country_id=united-states-of-america

I dislike war, but if you don't want to use our fiat, our military can make you change your mind. Bullies are ass holes, but I'd rather be the bully than the victim. And it's what backs our currency. Then there's natural borders like the Pacific and Atlantic that make a successful attack a near impossibility without using nukes. Mutually assured destruction should prevent that. Resources in the ground. Massive amounts of fresh water easily accessible (bigger deal than most will recognize with growing populations). Guns. Our populace could fight for itself. These are actual things that back the dollar.

Will it last forever, no. But these are assets that help to support the dollar for the foreseeable future even though prices on everything will continue to go up and debt will increase. It's never getting paid, we just have the power to tell everyone to fuck off by killing them. That's the MIC in a nutshell and why we have it.

Cash says

Onvacation says

Can you summarize why you think Bitcoin is intrinsically valuable?

I have wasted enough time on you, your opinions have zero value to me as do mine to you..... Have a nice life....

Got it. You got nothing.

Others beware. When someone tells you they own this crypto and you should get into it because you can make a lot of money ask them how. If the answer is because it is the currency of the future ask them why. If they say it is the new "gold" ask them what intrinsic value does it have. If they have no answers don't be the next biggest fool.

Onvacation says

Others beware. When someone tells you they own this crypto and you should get into it because you can make a lot of money ask them how. If the answer is because it is the currency of the future ask them why. If they say it is the new "gold" ask them what intrinsic value does it have. If they have no answers don't be the next biggest fool.

There may be many bigger fools though - having said that, I wouldn't touch it.

Can anybody explain, exactly, how a bitcoin is divisible? It appears to me that the more a coin is divided the more networking power and time there is needed to validate it.

The main problem I have with it is that the problems it purports to solve it doesn't. Almost everybody has their bitcoin in an exchange, which is essentially an unregulated bank. They've never actually tried to move a coin from one wallet to another. Transaction times are enormous so really, it is NOT divisible - you can't buy a pizza with it - possibly you could purchase a car or house with it. It's traceable as well since nearly everybody keeps it in exchange.

Don't know when the tulipmania ends, I just know it does.

You know what is historically low? Oil. Generally 1 ounce of gold purchases 1 barrel of oil. 1 barrel of oil right now is about $40. $40*15 = $600 and one ounce of gold is about $1950.

Richwicks, I have my BTC on a Trezor device. I know that much, dont leave significant amounts of Bitcoin on an exchange. If I lose my Trezor I can restore it with a key.
My 1.9 BTC are divisible. "A bitcoin can be divided down to 8 decimal places. Therefore, 0.00000001 BTC is the smallest amount that can be handled in a transaction"
Or, are you asking something else?

Again, I wouldnt want to buy a Pizza with it :) and no starbucks coffee. I dont want to buy a house/Car either with it. I want to buy/hold and see the value go up.
I dont think Bitcoin is meant to replace the dollar for day-to-day purchases. Personally, I see it as a form of diversification/inflation hedge/digital gold/store of value.

I agree with Wookie, the dollar is backed by our economic and military strengths.

G36 says

FuckCCP89 says

Cash says

G36 and I are just sharing our current approach

Share the evidence of your spectacular winnings and you'll gain some credibility.

Not holding my breath.

FuckCCP,
I shared my screenshot, I havent claimed big wins.....I just starting putting money into BTC.

It's a good start. But the past performance is also important (even though they always add "does not guarantee future results" disclaimer). =))

Onvacation says

When someone tells you they own this crypto and you should get into it because you can make a lot of money ask them how.

No 1 even came close to saying that. what a joke you are in all your presumption and disrespect. Talk about running down a rabbit hole that is you through and through...

Eric Holder says

G36 says

FuckCCP89 says

Cash says

G36 and I are just sharing our current approach

Share the evidence of your spectacular winnings and you'll gain some credibility.

Not holding my breath.

FuckCCP,
I shared my screenshot, I havent claimed big wins.....I just starting putting money into BTC.

It's a good start. But the past performance is also important (even though they always add "does not guarantee future results" disclaimer). =))

I got no past performance with Bitcoin....i just bough recently. Wish i would have started earlier. I invested in stocks over the years (dollar cost avg) and have done okay there. Just like everyone else who bought stocks in the past 5-10 years.

Cash says

Onvacation says

When someone tells you they own this crypto and you should get into it because you can make a lot of money ask them how.

No 1 even came close to saying that. what a joke you are in all your presumption and disrespect. Talk about running down a rabbit hole that is you through and through...

on vacation, something is a bit off with you.....you claim you dont invest in anything but you make comments that make bitcoin look like a ponzi scheme and you keep mentioning gold/silver. Where is the motivation coming from? You also claim you are on vacation and therefore you dont need to invest in anything....Are you permanently on vacation? jobless or retired?

At this point i am not sure if i should expect any meaningful answer from you anymore.

Cash says

G36 says

I got no past performance with Bitcoin...

You are wasting your time....

shit, i think you are right....i need to stop responding.

Start with this Investopedia article on Automated Clearing House transfers:
ACH transfers are a way to move money between accounts at different banks electronically. They enable you to send or receive money conveniently and securely. This article will show you how ACH transfers work.
You may be using ACH transfers without even realizing it. If you’re paid via direct deposit, for example, that’s a form of ACH transfer. Paying bills online through your bank account is another. You can also use ACH transfers to make single or recurring deposits into an individual retirement account, a taxable brokerage account, or a college savings account. Business owners can also use ACH to pay vendors or receive payments from clients and customers. More than 24 billion ACH transactions were processed in 2019 alone.
ACH transfers have many uses and can be more cost-efficient and user-friendly than writing checks or paying with a credit or debit card.
From Fortune:
In response to an analyst question, Schulman said PayPal views cryptocurrency systems—which rely on a tamper-proof online ledger known as a blockchain—as cheaper and more efficient than ACH, which is the network that supports the existing banking system.
And then this article makes it sound like Paypal will be hoarding any BTC transactions that go through user accounts:
He explained that no additional integration is needed at the 28 million merchants and cryptocurrency transactions are “immediately settled into fiat,” adding that this method is “a lower-cost funding mechanism” for Paypal.
If the distributed ledger is, ultimately, not cheaper than ACH, then we're looking at a house of cards that ultimately collapses. Or else crypto has to provide enough value to do something that ACH isn't able to do (or take, for instance, the fact that Western Union transfers ain't cheap).

Cash says

Onvacation says

When someone tells you they own this crypto and you should get into it because you can make a lot of money ask them how.

No 1 even came close to saying that

Ever? How you gonna get your next greatest fool?

Cash says

what a joke you are in all your presumption and disrespect.

I am sorry you think my opinion about bitcoin is disrespectful.

I believe Bitcoin is a Ponzi scheme where ultimately some people are going to end up holding some flash drives with no intrinsic value beyond their ability to store data. Billions will be made but not by the HODLers.

You seem to think that Bitcoin has intrinsic value but refuse to give a summary of why.