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Bitcoin Misinformation


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2020 Nov 10, 10:01am   137,689 views  2,177 comments

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In my opinion, it’s a colossal pump-and-dump scheme, the likes of which the world has never seen. In a pump-and-dump game, promoters “pump” up the price of a security creating a speculative frenzy, then “dump” some of their holdings at artificially high prices. And some cryptocurrencies are pure frauds. Ernst & Young estimates that 10 percent of the money raised for initial coin offerings has been stolen.

The losers are ill-informed buyers caught up in the spiral of greed. The result is a massive transfer of wealth from ordinary families to internet promoters. And “massive” is a massive understatement — 1,500 different cryptocurrencies now register over $300 billion of “value.”

https://www.vox.com/2018/4/24/17275202/bitcoin-scam-cryptocurrency-mining-pump-dump-fraud-ico-value

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1134   RC2006   2021 Feb 13, 11:24am  

It's a solution looking for a problem, to unstable to be a currency replacement. Maybe some of the large banks and companies are getting into it to have something to blame for next crash or milk all the little fish.
1135   Onvacation   2021 Feb 13, 11:28am  

RC2006 says
Maybe some of the large banks and companies are getting into it to have something to blame for next crash or milk all the little fish.

Or moving cash?
1136   WookieMan   2021 Feb 13, 12:04pm  

Patrick says
Onvacation does have a boat, and it's a nice one. I've been on it. He invited me.

That's awesome. I watch anything sailing. Same with flying. Close to pulling the trigger on getting my pilots license. We'll see. I now have a plane I can use, so that's motivating (friends).

Haven't actually sailed on a private mono or cat, but I think we're close. Might pull the trigger and charter a cat in the Caribbean for my wife's 40th with some friends 2022. Covid better fucking be done by then. The BVI's are beautiful (so are USVI) but in a week you can see them all. I'd love to bareboat down there, but my wife wouldn't be on board to learn and I still need to learn to sail as well. Maybe a birthday gift for her, but really for me ;).
1137   theoakman   2021 Feb 13, 12:46pm  

I've been extremely skeptical of crypto from the beginning, but that being said, I firmly believe we have an inflationary nightmare on our hands. I've believed this since 2006 and stacked gold/silver from 2006 to 2010. With the money supply exploding and us normalizing mailing out free money to everyone, I think we are rounding the corner of the endgame for the dollar here.

I've constructed a portfolio of metals, dividend stocks, and foreign dividend stocks (Singapore & Taiwan) expecting this for the better part of 10 years. Basically, the reason bitcoin is at 45k IMO is because the central banks are so irresponsible. From what I see, adoption of crypto keeps increasing and has yet to even become mainstream. It's still considered fringe. 20k was viewed as ridiculous 3 years ago, now we've doubled that. I understand it's volatile, but I don't think it would be the end of the world if I make it 2 to 5% of my portfolio at this point. For the past two months, I've been slowly buying at avoid buying too much at potentially elevated prices. Basically, $250 a week. I figure I'll stop if I achieve that 5% of my net worth in it.

Basically, what sealed the deal on this decision was Joe Biden getting into office. I don't even think people are going to be regularly using blockchain to do transactions. I think all these companies like Paypal, Mastercard, and what not will take them off the market, stor ethem, and use their own existing infrastructure to do transactions.
1138   Onvacation   2021 Feb 13, 1:27pm  

WookieMan says
Close to pulling the trigger on getting my pilots license. We'll see.

I was looking into flight school a couple decades ago. I wanted a small plane. After crashing a few RC planes from unexpected gusts and crosswinds I decided to stick with the big commercial jets.
1139   Onvacation   2021 Feb 13, 1:31pm  

theoakman says
I firmly believe we have an inflationary nightmare on our hands.

The problem of trying to store your fiat money in bitcoin is that bitcoin is valued in fiat money.

That and the "miners" will use your money to buy hookers and blow.
1140   WookieMan   2021 Feb 13, 3:40pm  

Onvacation says
theoakman says
I firmly believe we have an inflationary nightmare on our hands.

The problem of trying to store your fiat money in bitcoin is that bitcoin is valued in fiat money.

Yup. You buy it with fiat and to use it you get fiat back. It's silly. I don't do metals, but at least you can always hand someone a physical piece of gold or silver that could be used in something productive. Crypto ain't that. Never will be that either. It's a spreadsheet. Everyone has Excel or a similar program. Companies like google give the program away for free. Crypto itself is literally worthless.

Maybe not the tech #blockchain. But that means nothing about the value of BTC or any other coin. It's a marketing scam/scheme to part you from your money. As always, you can trade it, but there's no "store of value" that keeps being tossed around. It is actually, figuratively and literally worthless. I guess the Chinese flash drive might be worth $19.99... That's about all it's worth.
1141   Bitcoin   2021 Feb 13, 7:04pm  

WookieMan says
Onvacation says
theoakman says
I firmly believe we have an inflationary nightmare on our hands.

store of value


Yep, Bitcoin is digital gold / store of value. Experts also say, best thing since sliced bread.
1142   Onvacation   2021 Feb 13, 9:52pm  

G36 says
Expert

Back when I used to work on nuclear subs at the shipyard in the watertight doors and hatches shop one of the old journeymen defined expert as, "An Ex is a has been and a spert is a drip under pressure".

Modern definition of an expert is someone you can find to say whatever you want them to.
1143   Bitcoin   2021 Feb 14, 1:02am  

Onvacation says
G36 says
Expert

Back when I used to work on lego subs


Was it Lego or was it wood? you keep changing your mind on things (have matchbox car, then you dont).
Just want to make sure
1144   Onvacation   2021 Feb 14, 8:19am  

G36 says
Was it Lego or was it wood?

I actually got to work with some very exotic alloys. My nickname at the yard was impact, and not because I made a difference.

For future reference, it's considered rude to quote someone and then edit what they say.
1145   Onvacation   2021 Feb 14, 8:22am  

G36 says
you keep changing your mind on things

If you read all my posts, which you claim is too much reading, you would know that I have consistently said, "bitcoin is a scam".
1146   WookieMan   2021 Feb 14, 9:42am  

Onvacation says
For future reference, it's considered rude to quote someone and then edit what they say.

Bingo. Someone can try to trash me all they want here. Just be honest at least. It devalues and even negates anything you've said previous in my book changing/editing a quote.

Usually if someone doesn't like or agree with what is said, they bring evidence to show the other person is wrong or incorrect. That hasn't happened in one of these recent crypto threads. It's just links to fly by night crypto sites run by unemployed 20-30 somethings thinking they'll get rich or a few geezers that failed at life. Tell me I'm wrong crypto boi's.
1147   porkchopXpress   2021 Feb 14, 10:53am  

Onvacation says
G36 says
"bitcoin is a scam".
So was online shopping
1148   Patrick   2021 Feb 14, 10:54am  

WookieMan says
It devalues and even negates anything you've said previous in my book changing/editing a quote.


Altering evidence is exactly what the Democrats just did in the mock trial of Trump. They changed a Tweet date by a YEAR to make it look connected to the Capitol riot, added a blue check by a Tweet when it wasn't really there, and apparently some other lies:

https://patrick.net/post/1338127/2021-02-14-trump-s-lawyer-destroys-media-spin-and-lies-on-camera
1149   Onvacation   2021 Feb 14, 1:22pm  

porkchopexpress says
Onvacation says
G36 says
"bitcoin is a scam".
So was online shopping

What was the name of that website to buy groceries?
1150   Bitcoin   2021 Feb 14, 6:34pm  

History has been made

https://www.reuters.com/article/crypto-currency-etf/canadian-regulator-clears-launch-of-worlds-first-bitcoin-etf-investment-manager-idUSL1N2KI1FX

Canadian regulator clears launch of world's first bitcoin ETF - investment manager

What an excellent time to be alive! Epic Super Cycle for Bitcoin (Digital Gold)
1151   Onvacation   2021 Feb 14, 8:23pm  

G36 says

What an excellent time to be alive!

Interesting, yes.
Excellent? Really? Lockdowns, mask laws, suspension of the first amendment, election stolen by CCP connected socialists, and you think times are excellent?
1152   Onvacation   2021 Feb 14, 8:24pm  

G36 says
(Digital Gold)


Ya made $50,000 gambling IF you cash in the chips right now. I could put $30,000 on a blackjack hand and double my money in a couple minutes.

HODL on dude. Maybe some dumb money will come along and finally offer you enough fiat to make you want to sell your "Gold 2.0".
1153   Bitcoin   2021 Feb 15, 8:14am  

Thats correct @Onvacation.

Even banks are entering the Bitcoin spaceship since they understand its digital gold.

https://www.nbc29.com/2021/02/15/virginia-based-bank-offering-bitcoin-transactions/

Virginia-based bank offering Bitcoin transactions
1154   Bitcoin   2021 Feb 16, 8:32am  

MAJOR BITCON MILESTONE REACHED

2.5 times of prior all time high = 50k!
First time in History, Digital gold breaks 50k!

Its only 50% off our target of a six figure Bitcoin which is likely on the cards for this cycle.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/bitcoin-trades-above-50-000-for-first-time-11613479752
1155   Onvacation   2021 Feb 16, 10:48am  

G36 says
Its only 50% off

It will lose the other half, don't worry.
1156   Bitcoin   2021 Feb 16, 10:51am  

hahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahaha you wish :) you sooooooooooooooo wish :)

THis is fun! F.ing little Bitcoin haters get slapped left and right - daily.

Thank you Tesla! Thank you Satoshi N.!
1157   Onvacation   2021 Feb 16, 10:52am  

So why is one bitcoin worth $50k?
1158   Onvacation   2021 Feb 16, 10:53am  

Not expecting a cogent answer.
1159   Onvacation   2021 Feb 16, 10:53am  

Or any answers.
1160   Bitcoin   2021 Feb 16, 11:03am  

Onvacation says
So why is one bitcoin worth $50k?


Its highly undervalued! Its worth at least 300k.

You like to invest in legos and matchox cars but there is no demand by Tesla to put legos on their Balance Sheet. They want Bitcoin. Just like everyone else.

Sry you missed the boat but I could have told you that when you said you still use a landline.
1161   Bitcoin   2021 Feb 16, 11:03am  

excuse me....you didnt miss the boat....you missed the spaceship :)
1162   WookieMan   2021 Feb 16, 11:55am  

G36 says
excuse me....you didnt miss the boat....you missed the spaceship :)

He actually didn't miss the boat... he just has a boat.

You've said yourself you haven't sold. You have unrealized gain on paper. Sell them and you can start to brag, otherwise you sound extremely foolish bragging about an unrealized gain and unrealistic values. You have gained $0 USD at this point in time per your own comments.
1163   Bitcoin   2021 Feb 16, 11:58am  

Another cold day in IL, Sry Bro

No Bitcoin, shitty weather....life must suck for ya?

Beautiful weather here....taking the doggy for a walk :)

Stay warm and dry, Bro
1164   WookieMan   2021 Feb 16, 12:59pm  

G36 says
No Bitcoin, shitty weather....life must suck for ya?

Quite the opposite. Two happy and healthy kids. A hot and happy wife. Leaving for Phoenix Tuesday to golf with some buddies for 4 days. I can give you the hotel info and dates if you want for 2 of the nights. Got some new business over the last week on top of an already good winter season. Spring break in FL. USVI almost booked for October. Thinking about Tahoe with the family this summer, but can't trust CA deadbeat politicians to have the state open. So we might do the Carolinas. Huge camping trip with neighbors this summer up in WI.

Working on a surprise trip for my wife in 2022. Costs more than your supposed BTC investment per week to rent and/or charter. In a way, way better place than CA. But hey, enjoy doing the task women usually do, walking the dog. Have to say, my kids do love riding their bikes in the snow too. Honest question given you're from CA, are you gay?
1165   Onvacation   2021 Feb 16, 1:00pm  

G36 says
They want Bitcoin.

Why? Beside FOMO.
1166   Bitcoin   2021 Feb 16, 2:57pm  

Onvacation says
G36 says
They want Bitcoin.

Why?


Tesla, Paypal, Square.....they all know Bitcoin is digital gold!
1167   Bitcoin   2021 Feb 16, 2:58pm  

WookieMan says
G36 says
No Bitcoin, shitty weather....life must suck for ya?



"Yes"

Sorry, Man, hey, you can always save money and move to CA at some point!
Stay warm and dry Bro...beautiful sunshine here
1168   Onvacation   2021 Feb 16, 3:23pm  

WookieMan says
Honest question given you're from CA, are you gay?
G36 says
"Yes"
1169   Onvacation   2021 Feb 16, 3:27pm  

that was wrong

not that there is anything wrong with that
1170   Bitcoin   2021 Feb 16, 4:14pm  

Usually, when the Bitcoin haters have nothing left (and Bitcoin reaches new all time highs) their comments get personal :)

Right? @Onvacation
@WookieMan

sry guys, I know the weather is bad in IL and you missed the spaceship.
1171   Onvacation   2021 Feb 16, 4:20pm  

G36 says
their comments get personal :)

Nothing personal about selective quoting.

You never did apologize for changing my quote.
1172   WookieMan   2021 Feb 16, 4:39pm  

G36 says
Usually, when the Bitcoin haters have nothing left (and Bitcoin reaches new all time highs) their comments get personal :)

Mark my comment personal if it is. I simply asked a question based on a state having cities with large populations of gays. No different than asking if the south side of Chicago has a bunch of blacks. It's a question. Didn't know you were so PC.

I'll have to assume at this point though because you haven't answered. As usual.
1173   Bitcoin   2021 Feb 16, 5:20pm  

Agreed, usually when the haters cant take the celebration of Bitcoin's success anymore they get personal.

Sad but on the other hand, without @WookieMan, I would not appreciate living in Socal as much. I'd take the beautiful beaches and daily sunshine for granted.

I cant imagine not having Bitcoin and Bitcoin hitting 50k. And he lives in IL!! poor dude.

We are all here to celebrate 50K Bitcoin! Congrats to all Crypto investors/Hodl'ers!

https://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ct-biz-bitcoin-50k-cryptocurrency-20210216-k3743ddl2nd3reergkm7syc4je-story.html

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