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Bitcoin Misinformation


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2020 Nov 10, 10:01am   131,619 views  2,169 comments

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In my opinion, it’s a colossal pump-and-dump scheme, the likes of which the world has never seen. In a pump-and-dump game, promoters “pump” up the price of a security creating a speculative frenzy, then “dump” some of their holdings at artificially high prices. And some cryptocurrencies are pure frauds. Ernst & Young estimates that 10 percent of the money raised for initial coin offerings has been stolen.

The losers are ill-informed buyers caught up in the spiral of greed. The result is a massive transfer of wealth from ordinary families to internet promoters. And “massive” is a massive understatement — 1,500 different cryptocurrencies now register over $300 billion of “value.”

https://www.vox.com/2018/4/24/17275202/bitcoin-scam-cryptocurrency-mining-pump-dump-fraud-ico-value

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1272   Onvacation   2021 Feb 25, 8:06am  

G36 says
I havent taken any profits in BTC

We know.
1273   Bitcoin   2021 Feb 25, 8:08am  

Onvacation says
G36 says
I havent taken any profits in BTC

We know.


Of course! Why should i have spent my precious digital gold coins at a price of say 40k....when just a few days later its at 50k.....why should i spend my precious coins at 51k if I believe it will go to 400k? Its smart money. Dumb money (Wookieman) will buy my precious digital gold coins when I sell at 400k.
1274   Onvacation   2021 Feb 25, 8:11am  

G36 says
Dumb money (

Also known as the greater fool. How do you know it's not you?
1275   Bitcoin   2021 Feb 25, 8:13am  

if you pull a 3x in BTC and 10x in Cardano in just under 6month, you can call yourself smart money. (G36)

If you buy a matchbox car for 10grand and cant find a greater fool, you can call yourself dumb money. (you might know who I am referring to)

1276   Onvacation   2021 Feb 25, 10:36am  

G36 says
if you pull a 3x in BTC and 10x in Cardano in just under 6month, you can call yourself smart money. (G36)

SO,
You are smart money?
1277   Onvacation   2021 Feb 25, 10:38am  

You do know ya have to sell to profit, don'tcha?
1278   Bitcoin   2021 Feb 25, 11:09am  

Onvacation says
G36 says
if you pull a 3x in BTC and 10x in Cardano in just under 6month, you can call yourself smart money. (G36)

SO,
You are smart money?


absolutely. I even bought Bitcoin before Tesla :)
1279   Onvacation   2021 Feb 25, 2:36pm  

G36 says
I even bought Bitcoin before Tesla

Another great example. Though both are overpriced, Tesla is real. Crypto is bits on a stick that you must find a greater fool to buy. Whereas Tesla is an ongoing business with cars and things.

See the difference?

It's kinda like that overpriced hot wheel car you keep bringing up, it's real. Your bits on a stick, not so real.
1280   Bitcoin   2021 Feb 25, 8:54pm  

Onvacation says
G36 says
I even bought Bitcoin before Tesla

Another great example. .


I know! That's why I am smart money....and you are dumb money for paying 10grand for a matchbox car. You will never find a greater fool to pay you back what you invested. @onvacation
1282   Bitcoin   2021 Feb 25, 9:35pm  

I thought you were older.
1283   Onvacation   2021 Feb 26, 6:08am  

Buy the dip!
1284   Bitcoin   2021 Feb 26, 6:33am  

Onvacation says
Buy the dip!


Always!
1285   Onvacation   2021 Feb 27, 9:24am  

Is Bitcoin at risk of another drop below $40K in a historically corrective March?
https://cointelegraph.com/news/is-bitcoin-at-risk-of-another-drop-below-40k-in-a-historically-corrective-march

Bitcoin (BTC) has seen a corrective week as the price dropped from $58,000 to $44,000 in a matter of days. This dropdown caused a panic reaction across the markets as the euphoria was immediately halted.

For instance, the Crypto Fear and Greed Index plunged to monthly lows of 56 after being above 90, or "extreme greed" for an entire month.

However, such a panic reaction is unwarranted because corrections appear frequently in a bull market as a "reset" before continuation. This is organic and healthy and offers a good opportunity for traders and investors to buy the dip.

BUY THE DIP!
1286   Onvacation   2021 Feb 27, 9:25am  

It's amusing how these guys talk about support and resistance levels as if it were a stock or something real.


This now paints a clear picture of the critical levels to watch. Ideally, the support zone between $42,500-$44,000 has to hold for further upward momentum. If it fails, further weakness can be expected toward the $37,500-$39,000 level.

But if the $42,500-44,000 support zone holds, higher prices can be expected once Bitcoin breaks above the resistance between $50,000 and $51,000.
1287   Onvacation   2021 Feb 27, 11:24am  

Bitcoin is an extremely power hungry speculative investment dependent on the next greater fool (dumb money) in order for the last fool to profit. There is nothing there, no dividends, no capital (all consumed by miners), no store of value, nothing. Now if you have no scruples you can trade and make money but HODLing is unscrupulous and foolish.
1288   Onvacation   2021 Mar 7, 12:28pm  

Does anyone think all 2,200,000,000,000,000 Satoshi's could ever be sold for a profit?

Beware the scam!
1289   Onvacation   2021 Mar 11, 8:56pm  

It is what it is.
1290   Bitcoin   2021 Mar 11, 9:03pm  

Onvacation says
It is what it is.


its fascinating:

https://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/061915/how-does-block-chain-prevent-doublespending-bitcoins.asp#:~:text=The%20blockchain%20which%20undergirds%20a,double%2Dspending%20on%20its%20own.&text=Bitcoin%20was%20the%20first%20major,a%20common%2C%20universal%20ledger%20system

"Bitcoin was the first major digital currency to solve the issue of double spending. It did so by implementing this confirmation mechanism and maintaining a common, universal ledger system. In this way, the bitcoin blockchain retains records of time-stamped transactions going back to the founding of the cryptocurrency in 2009."

Brilliant
1292   Bitcoin   2021 Mar 12, 8:11pm  

Huh, whats a 51% attack and how often does it occur?

Answer: It never has and never will. Just a hypothetical like aliens arriving on earth.

mmmkay, why do Bitcoin haters mention it?

Answer: Cause they got nothing else left. Especially after Tesla invested 1.5B USD in Bitcoin :)
1293   WookieMan   2021 Mar 13, 6:55am  

WookieMan says
https://www.investopedia.com/terms/1/51-attack.asp

Your "digital gold" could be destroyed overnight. What is there not to understand? It's remotely nothing like aliens. China is a country that could overnight shift its electric grid to mining, open up a bunch of warehouses to mine BTC with stolen IP/computer processing, and destroy the market after they've inflated it and stolen billions from the world.

I guess you missed the whole Gamestop fiasco? You're in a speculative and manipulated market. Enjoy the ride. It doesn't end well. Investing in something with zero underlying value or asset is pure stupidity. Trade the highs and lows, but it's not an investment. Not sure how much clearer I can be on that. If you'd just agree to that I'd move on from these threads. But you continually pump and spam the site.
1294   Onvacation   2021 Mar 13, 7:17am  

If G ever has anything interesting or useful to say please quote for me. Sadly, he's my only ignore. Complaining to Patrick was the last straw. He don't need that hassle. Patrick's too nice sometimes.
1295   WookieMan   2021 Mar 13, 9:49am  

Onvacation says
If G ever has anything interesting or useful to say please quote for me. Sadly, he's my only ignore. Complaining to Patrick was the last straw. He don't need that hassle. Patrick's too nice sometimes.

I'd agree. And maybe I'm causing more drama. But when people here that have actually invested in BTC and can have a conversation about it are ignoring him, that says a lot and is a huge red flag.

I've been on pump and dump sites. The DNA of his posts are identical. 95% of the time those people have no stake in the asset they're talking about and are paid to get referral traffic. The hysterical part is that crypto isn't even an asset. It's nothing. Penny stocks at least have to report. Crypto does nothing backing it and is completely unregulated. The wild west had more rules...
1296   Bitcoin   2021 Mar 13, 4:24pm  

Congratulations to myself and other Bitcoin investors! March 13th is a significant day for us! Bitcoin has passed 60k for the first time in History!

1297   theoakman   2021 Mar 13, 4:41pm  

He's a little too much for me. I made a conscious decision to acquire bitcoin in January. I hold gold/silver as an inflation hedge. I've been seeing the stages set for massive inflation through fiat worldwide for the better part of 15 years and it finally looks like it's about to come to fruition over the next 5 years.

What I've seen is that gold, by all indicators, should be higher, but the entire younger generation has instead, opted for crypto. Instead of gold getting a 10% bump in price, that trillion went into bitcoin. I always loved the design and idea but I never took the dip because I figured some other technology would come and make it obsolete, the bitcoin network would somehow be hacked, or the governments would eliminate it. None of that has happened and once Wall street gets their digs in, governments won't ban it, they want their taxes and their bribes and their cut. With respect to Ethereum, I am equally bullish and think that their network and applications have huge potential.

Once I came to those conclusions, I became a believer and a buyer. So, I realize, there is no way to effectively price this, but I figure, if it can replace gold or even grab half of its market share, that it's up 5x from here. Of course I recognize the downside risk and volatility, so I buy a little bit each week. I have no intentions of selling. The goal is to get 5% of my wealth into crypto by the end of the year, which in the grand scheme of things, doesn't break the bank. This is my humble attempt at civil conversation as a bitcoin bull.

Long term, I think the ability to tokenize all kinds of hard assets is going to give us a method to avoid currency depreciation and barter with various tokens instead of dollars. I think, ultimately, this technology is going to reign in the abuses of fiat.
1298   Bitcoin   2021 Mar 13, 4:53pm  

theoakman says
I made a conscious decision to acquire bitcoin in January. I hold gold/silver as an inflation hedge. I've been seeing the stages set for massive inflation through fiat worldwide for the better part of 15 years and it finally looks like it's about to come to fruition over the next 5 years.


Awesome! Congrats @theoakman
1299   WookieMan   2021 Mar 14, 9:43am  

theoakman says
Long term, I think the ability to tokenize all kinds of hard assets is going to give us a method to avoid currency depreciation and barter with various tokens instead of dollars. I think, ultimately, this technology is going to reign in the abuses of fiat.

I agree with this to an extent, but BTC is not the coin in my opinion. I won't get into crypto unless it's backed by an asset of some sort. Currently what is backing it is the USD and other fiat currencies. There's really no disputing this. That's why it's pegged to dollars. I also won't get into metals, but there is some value there if that's your jam.

I'm late 30's so I've got a lot of game to play. I also think it will be more beneficial to play the fiat game as I have been very successful in that realm. At the end of the day if life is a game and you want to win, $$$$$$ are what you need. Crypto can be traded to get you there. You can also do a ton of other things that get you more $$$$. If it gets devalued, make more. Not super complicated.

Regardless of recent circumstances the dollar won't become worthless as has been hyped for decades. Yes you may need more to purchase things, but generally that will come with income increases. At the end of the day it's how much you can earn, aka take money from other people. Crypto in my mind is just one way to take money from other people. I'm not willing to give it away. I'll keep doing what has been successful for me. I just think most people are extremely naive to what crypto is. Don't get burned is all I'll say. I'd trade it all day, but I wouldn't hold unless you traded and are playing with house money.
1300   Onvacation   2021 Mar 14, 12:48pm  

$58 billion has been transferred using bitcoin in the last 24 hours. A lot of ransoms and human traffickers have been paid off.
1301   Bitcoin   2021 Mar 14, 3:55pm  

WookieMan says
theoakman says
Long term, I think the ability to tokenize all kinds of hard assets is going to give us a method to avoid currency depreciation and barter with various tokens instead of dollars. I think, ultimately, this technology is going to reign in the abuses of fiat.

I agree with this to an extent,


me too.
It makes sense for Tesla to invest 1.5B USD and for Microstrategy to invest 5B USD into Bitcoin.
While FIAT depreciates, Bitcoin has increased by 1,000% in the past 12 month

"Bitcoin hit a record $60,000 on Saturday, marking a 1,000% gain in the past year."
https://markets.businessinsider.com/currencies/news/bitcoin-price-surges-record-60000-stimulus-hopes-institutional-support-2021-3-1030188023
1302   Onvacation   2021 Mar 15, 7:10am  

Musk is now pumping dogecoin


The San Francisco-based Coinbase, set to go public in a blockbuster $100 billion listing, currently supports 49 different cryptocurrencies to varying degrees but has so far declined to list the Shiba Inu-inspired dogecoin.

"Why are you so dogematic, they ask," Musk later tweeted, adding: "I’m getting a Shiba Inu."

Interest in dogecoin has exploded as bitcoin, by far the biggest cryptocurrency with a total value of around $1.1 trillion after its latest surge, has climbed thanks to a combination

https://www.forbes.com/sites/billybambrough/2021/03/13/as-the-bitcoin-price-blasts-through-60000-tesla-billionaire-elon-musk-is-more-concerned-with-joke-bitcoin-rival-dogecoin/?sh=49252b163026
1303   Bitcoin   2021 Mar 15, 7:30am  

Onvacation says

Interest in dogecoin has exploded as bitcoin, by far the biggest cryptocurrency with a total value of around $1.1 trillion after its latest surge, has climbed thanks to a combination

https://www.forbes.com/sites/billybambrough/2021/03/13/as-the-bitcoin-price-blasts-through-60000-tesla-billionaire-elon-musk-is-more-concerned-with-joke-bitcoin-rival-dogecoin/?sh=49252b163026


Thanks for sharing this great article onvacation!

"Do you think Coinbase should enable dogecoin on their platform," a Twitter user asked in response to Musk tweeting: "BTC (bitcoin) is an anagram of TBC (The Boring Company). What a coincidence!"
"Yes!"—was Musk's reply. Dogecoin has added almost 10% since then, although Musk's ability to move the dogecoin price appears to have diminished recently.

Personally,
I think Coinbase must list Cardano (ADA) first. Its overdue! I am a little bias because I hold a lot of Cardano.
1304   Onvacation   2021 Mar 16, 6:56am  

Crypto Exchange Owner Sentenced to 10 Years in Prison for Multimillion-Dollar Scheme to Defraud Americans

The conspiracy engaged in a complicated money laundering scheme wherein domestic associates would accept victim funds, convert these funds to cryptocurrency, and transfer proceeds in the form of cryptocurrency to foreign-based money launderers.
https://news.bitcoin.com/cryptocurrency-exchange-owner-10-years-prison-multimillion-dollar-scheme-defraud-americans/
1305   Onvacation   2021 Mar 16, 6:56am  

HODLers unwittingly enable crime.
1306   WookieMan   2021 Mar 16, 7:03am  

Onvacation says
HODLers unwittingly enable crime.

And wealthy people are vacuuming money out of people's wallets as we speak with this pump. I guess technically a lot of wealthy people are criminals too, they just get away with it.
1307   Bitcoin   2021 Mar 16, 7:47am  

Yeah, WookieMan's prediction of Bitcoin going to 1.2k was def. the worst in the history of Patnet.
Bitcoin is over 50k !
1308   WookieMan   2021 Mar 16, 7:48am  

Bitcoin says
Yeah, WookieMan's prediction of Bitcoin going to 1.2k was def. the worst in the history of Patnet.
Bitcoin is over 50k !

No it wasn't. You'll learn.
1309   Bitcoin   2021 Mar 16, 8:41am  

@WookieMan,
as people point out, this has been your worst call in the history of Patnet. I am curious to find out what errors you made in your prediction model?
Predicting for Bitcoin to go to 1.2k is moons away from reality. Bitcoin is actually at 55k ish.

That's not a small miss. It earned you the trophy on Patnet....worst predictor in history.

What do you think your mistakes were?

Did you not factor in that Tesla would buy 1.5B USD worth of Bitcoin? Did you not factor in, Microstrategies will buy 5B USD worth of Bitcoin?
That would be kind of surprising since we have been telling you that Bitcoin is digital gold. So, it seems logical for top tech companies to convert USD into Bitcoin.
1310   WookieMan   2021 Mar 16, 9:19am  

More pumping and spam..... I'll stand by my prediction. It will hit. You'll learn.
1311   Bitcoin   2021 Mar 16, 10:08am  

par for the course.....WookieMan doesnt answer ANY questions.

I'll try one more time.

as people point out, this has been your worst call in the history of Patnet. I am curious to find out what errors you made in your prediction model?
Predicting for Bitcoin to go to 1.2k is moons away from reality. Bitcoin is actually at 55k ish.

That's not a small miss. It earned you the trophy on Patnet....worst predictor in history.

What do you think your mistakes were?

Did you not factor in that Tesla would buy 1.5B USD worth of Bitcoin? Did you not factor in, Microstrategies will buy 5B USD worth of Bitcoin?
That would be kind of surprising since we have been telling you that Bitcoin is digital gold. So, it seems logical for top tech companies to convert USD into Bitcoin.

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