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HODLers unwittingly enable crime.

Onvacation says

HODLers unwittingly enable crime.

And wealthy people are vacuuming money out of people's wallets as we speak with this pump. I guess technically a lot of wealthy people are criminals too, they just get away with it.

Yeah, WookieMan's prediction of Bitcoin going to 1.2k was def. the worst in the history of Patnet.
Bitcoin is over 50k !

Bitcoin says

Yeah, WookieMan's prediction of Bitcoin going to 1.2k was def. the worst in the history of Patnet.
Bitcoin is over 50k !

No it wasn't. You'll learn.

@WookieMan,
as people point out, this has been your worst call in the history of Patnet. I am curious to find out what errors you made in your prediction model?
Predicting for Bitcoin to go to 1.2k is moons away from reality. Bitcoin is actually at 55k ish.

That's not a small miss. It earned you the trophy on Patnet....worst predictor in history.

What do you think your mistakes were?

Did you not factor in that Tesla would buy 1.5B USD worth of Bitcoin? Did you not factor in, Microstrategies will buy 5B USD worth of Bitcoin?
That would be kind of surprising since we have been telling you that Bitcoin is digital gold. So, it seems logical for top tech companies to convert USD into Bitcoin.

More pumping and spam..... I'll stand by my prediction. It will hit. You'll learn.

par for the course.....WookieMan doesnt answer ANY questions.

I'll try one more time.

as people point out, this has been your worst call in the history of Patnet. I am curious to find out what errors you made in your prediction model?
Predicting for Bitcoin to go to 1.2k is moons away from reality. Bitcoin is actually at 55k ish.

That's not a small miss. It earned you the trophy on Patnet....worst predictor in history.

What do you think your mistakes were?

Did you not factor in that Tesla would buy 1.5B USD worth of Bitcoin? Did you not factor in, Microstrategies will buy 5B USD worth of Bitcoin?
That would be kind of surprising since we have been telling you that Bitcoin is digital gold. So, it seems logical for top tech companies to convert USD into Bitcoin.

Bitcoin says

So, it seems logical for top tech companies to convert USD into Bitcoin.

Ha.... haha. The bastions of investment... Enjoy.

Yep, Square, Microstrategies, Tesla, Paypal, and even banks are in on crypto. Big time. Its very enjoyable to see as a Bitcoin and crypto holder.
Thank you.

One (conspiracy) theory for crypto is that it was developed by the banks and intelligence agencies (same difference) to suck up money that would otherwise be used to purchase real assets like silver and gold. The "market cap" of bitcoin alone is greater than the value of all investible silver in the world.

If you were buying, which would you prefer:
1 bitcoin (bits on a stick)
30 1oz gold coins
2000 1oz silver coins.

I would probably go for the real gold as I don't have any.

1 Bitcoin!

Bitcoin says

1 Bitcoin!

Oh boy, you now log out to see people that post about you? That hasn't happened in a while. Enjoy insecurity.

log out? I am always logged in. I dont ignore anyone....why should i log out?

You both can choose to just stop ragging on each other any time.

Actually, all it would take is for one to stop, and argument is over. Takes two to tango. Then again, it's hard not to reply to an insult.

Maybe I should have been serious about flagging every personal comment from the beginning.

@Patrick,

why not put us both on ignore (mutually) as you mentioned the other day?
Its hard to not reply to an insult and I dont want to ignore him but if its done via you for a mutual ignore it will put an end to it!

I dunno, to control ignores feels like imposing in a way.

This has been a problem since the beginning of patrick.net. I asked a friend who works at Facebook what they do about it and he pointed out that they don't have this problem, because people just unfriend you if you insult them and then you don't see them anymore. It's only a problem on anonymous forums like this one.

@Patrick
it would be nice to have a function that lets you prevent a certain user from seeing any of your posts. I would like to remove Wookie from seeing my posts so he cant insult/troll on it. That doesnt mean I ignore the user WookieMan just a restriction on my posts.

Well, you can ignore him, and then he won't see your posts and you won't see his. Comments will also be mutually invisible. I think it works that way right now.

It doesn't seem quite right to be able to hide posts from someone if you can still see theirs.

Patrick says

You both can choose to just stop ragging on each other any time.

Not about the individual for me. It's about the non-response and spam. I'd do this with anyone and I have in the past. Bring up a topic and answer questions. This is a Bitcoin Misinformation post for Christ sake and he's yet to debunk a damn thing. Just post spam and has no intelligent thought on anything.

Bring content or logical responses. Not fly by night links and the same post over and over and over. It's not complicated. I don't think it's personal that I point this out because it's not. It's fact. Most users have ignored him as is their right, but I have no interest is even one person buying into this bullshit. So I'll fight it all day.

Posting a chart 100x's on one website ,doesn't answer a question. It's trolling. It's spam. It's trash. I'm sorry he can't handle the heat, but I've not even turned it up yet.

@WookieMan
sry man, looks like Bitcoin bounced back quickly! I know you got excited regarding a 10% dip....should have bought some! Well, there will always be a next dip until it moves to new all time highs :)

happy patty's day to my Bitcoin haters!

Patrick says

Well, you can ignore him, and then he won't see your posts and you won't see his. Comments will also be mutually invisible. I think it works that way right now.

It doesn't seem quite right to be able to hide posts from someone if you can still see theirs.

@Patrick
Are you sure?....if i ignore him, he can still see my posts and post BS on it I believe. I just dont see his comments but others will....I think it should be enabled that I can restrict certain users from seeing my posts if they dont add value.

Bitcoin says

I just dont see his comments but others will....I think it should be enabled that I can restrict certain users from seeing my posts if they dont add value.

I can't see your posts/comments if you ignore me.... only if someone quotes it. Not sure how much clearer Patrick can be. This isn't complicated. Ignore me and I'm gone from your world. FYI, 13 now.

I don't claim to be perfect and know I piss some people off. But 13 in 6 months has to be a record. Sorry, but that means something.

I don't want to get into the bitcoin spat (my jam is mostly biotech stocks and I can't complain), I think it is based on legit technology here to stay, but not without problems (energy one of them, viruses/bots using blockchain for malicious reasons which makes them close to impossible to block from replicating another one), possibly overvalued but certainly not worthless. The point I'd like to make is about the trade. I certainly would have enjoyed the foresight to put 10k into bitcoin at 3k, 5k or 10k and making a 5-15 x multibagger. People can always the say this asset is not legit, immoral, too volatile etc. etc. but if you're at the right side of the trade at the end of the day that should count for something. Same goes for RE. I've been thinking forever it was overvalued in CA (and still think so for many areas), but with the exception of 2008-2013 it has gone nothing but up and I'm happy for the Emans, pkennedys, bayareas and others if they made a good choice wrt their RE investment(s), be it short or long term. If you invested in TSLA at $200 you made the right choice, good for you, even if I think it's overvalued at $700 or even $500 - it doesn't change that fact that the trade was a good one. It may be promotion/pumping but as long as it doesn't take over the site I'm fine with it. Do I think the risk/reward is great at 60k? Certainly not. Was it great at 3k or 5k?Absolutely!

personal

mell says

I certainly would have enjoyed the foresight to put 10k into bitcoin at 3k, 5k or 10k and making a 5-15 x multibagger.

Yes, I've always agreed with this. I made one bad prediction and I'm a shit mutt and have BTC derangement syndrome. But I'm the one being personal and trolling.

mell says

Same goes for RE. I've been thinking forever it was overvalued in CA (and still think so for many areas), but with the exception of 2008-2013 it has gone nothing but up and I'm happy for the Emans, pkennedys, bayareas and others if they made a good choice wrt an investment, be it short or long term.

Yes, there's a physical asset backing it either with a structure or the land itself. CA has temperate climate and is near scenery. Those things have value too. Crypto doesn't beside people just wanting to buy it.

mell says

If you invested in TSLA at $200 you made the right choice, good for you, even if I think it's overvalued at $700 or even $500 - it doesn't change that fact that the trade was a good one.

Again, they have physical assets and IP. They own land and have large warehouses/factories. If they fall on hard times it's almost certain another automaker would buy all that stuff.

mell says

It may be promotion/pumping but as long as it doesn't take over the site I'm fine with it. Do I think the risk/reward is great at 60k? Certainly not. Was it great at 3k or 5k?Absolutely!

Agreed again. It's a trade. Make money while you can and I've never changed my opinion, and said make money while you can. So I don't get all the butthurt over my comments.

There's a huge difference between trading and investing. You literally cannot "invest" in BTC because it is nothing. It's numbers. Just because a billionaire pumps it doesn't mean he believes in it. No one can argue that. He has the cash to move a market and knows he can get someone else's money. If someone can make money along the way go for it as I've always said.

But people saying you should hold are full of it. 100%. That's why they don't have a response to a comment like this and just post shit. And cash, I don't know what your issue is, I've always said trade it and I've said you seem to have solid knowledge of what you're doing. G consistently posts pumping spam. This is indisputable.

We don't have to agree, but BTC will go away. No one in any of these threads has proved otherwise. I don't know the timeline, but the game ends at some point. I can make consistent and solid returns doing other things. BTC went sideways for 3 years, while I was earning dividends and appreciation. One off bubbles does not lead to being rich on an asset less "currency" and there's no disputing this.

Cash says

@patrick How about putting some control on your trolling moderator!!!

great idea! And glad to see a post from @Cash
Miss your analytics!

mell says

I think it is based on legit technology here to stay,

thanks for the comments @mell

What biotech stocks do you prefer? I got some bio/Life sciences/pharma in my 401k but outside of retirement funds I hold Thermo Fisher Scientific and I think they have upside.

It's hard to argue with Bitcoin investors since the price went up so much. But we are in a bull cycle. There will be another bear cycle as well.....it all has to do with the halvening events every 4 years.

Bull market make you money.....bear markets make you rich (if you dollar cost average in during downturns).

Holding Bitcoin long term (dollar cost avg in) has been the best strategy for the avg joe that doesnt like to day/swing trade. Institutions like Tesla, Microstrategies etc. do the same. (HODL longterm and dont get concerned about short term volatility).

John McAfee Indicted by DOJ Over Alleged Cryptocurrency Fraud Charges

Federal prosecutors say that John McAfee leveraged his social media presence to engage in “age-old pump-and-dump schemes.”
https://news.bitcoin.com/us-indicts-john-mcafee-alleged-cryptocurrency-fraud-money-laundering/

Imagine that!

Onvacation says

John McAfee Indicted by DOJ Over Alleged Cryptocurrency Fraud Charges

Federal prosecutors say that John McAfee leveraged his social media presence to engage in “age-old pump-and-dump schemes.”
https://news.bitcoin.com/us-indicts-john-mcafee-alleged-cryptocurrency-fraud-money-laundering/

Imagine that!

Nooooooooo!

Onvacation says

Federal prosecutors say that John McAfee leveraged his social media presence to engage in “age-old pump-and-dump schemes.”

Yup. People and companies are just doing it "legally" now. lol.

Cardano (ADA) is now at $1.3 and i bought about 120,000 coins for an avg cost of 10 cents. I think when ADA hits $5-10 I should sell (*Big smile on my face*)

Bitcoin says

Is it time yet to remove moderator rights from WookieMan?

Prove when I've violated anything? By default your comment is personal. Don't talk about users. So I'll now mark this personal 🤦‍♂️

@Patrick

are you seeing how he targets all my posts? Can you take off his moderator rights? He is misusing/abusing his moderator rights.
I have him on ignore now but he still marks my posts personal. there needs to be a demotion :)
I'd say you put us both on a mutual ignore so we dont have to waste time with this piece of shit anymore :)

Bitcoin says

Is it time yet to remove moderator rights from WookieMan?

Talking about another user....

https://whatifyouboughtbitcoin.com/
If I had spent $50 on bitcoin in January 2011 I would be a bitcoin millionaire!

Onvacation says

https://whatifyouboughtbitcoin.com/
If I had spent $50 on bitcoin in January 2011 I would be a bitcoin millionaire!

Nice! Thanks for sharing! No wonder the consensus are that Bitcoin is the best performing asset.

Nobody's pumping crypto on patnet?

They must have realized it's a scam

Onvacation says

Nobody's pumping crypto on patnet?

They must have realized it's a scam

It's been nice. I think most users have just ignored certain users. I think it's nice. Maybe eventually an intelligent conversation about it will come around. Not hopeful, but we'll see. Pumpers come out of the woodwork once you question anything about it. Truth be damned.

WookieMan says

Maybe eventually an intelligent conversation about it will come around.

There has been a conversation and the conclusion is that crypto is not an investment but a speculative gamble dependent on the next greatest fool HODLing in order to enable a criminal money laundering scheme (scam).

Onvacation says

There has been a conversation

Not really though. "Digital gold!" "Tesla!" That's not conversing. That's not debating. Posting a false chart over and over. That's spam.

Not saying you haven't tried or others, but that's what has happened. Quickest user to 13 ignores that I can remember. I'm at 7 in a decade versus 13 in six months. I guess I see how there's no point in conversing with G36 or Newbie and should just ignore. I'm okay with a few name changers and account changers, but I still don't like it. It's not honest in my opinion. And then you change your name. It's cowardly.