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Cdon2
2020 Nov 19, 4:09pm
FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut says
If it were anyone other than Guilani, I would give it a 20% chance. There are actually some very interesting equal protection arguments to be had but Guliani is not the guy to bring them.
As such, I truly believe the best chance is the type of vast conspiracy that Sidney Powell alludes to. Unlike Guliani, she has some serious credibility when it comes to a courtroom. If this were a normal case of hers, I would say she has a 70-75% of proving her case. However, I only give her 20% because of the near fever dream quality of the whole conspiracy. Its the type of thing which (if true) will be remembered by ever man woman and child for the rest of their lives, kinda like 9/11, Challenger Explosion, etc. You cannot reasonably expect any of such long odds types of events to occur, no matter who says they have the evidence.
What do you think is gonna happen? Just looking for an educated opinion, I don't expect you to predict the future perfectly.
If it were anyone other than Guilani, I would give it a 20% chance. There are actually some very interesting equal protection arguments to be had but Guliani is not the guy to bring them.
As such, I truly believe the best chance is the type of vast conspiracy that Sidney Powell alludes to. Unlike Guliani, she has some serious credibility when it comes to a courtroom. If this were a normal case of hers, I would say she has a 70-75% of proving her case. However, I only give her 20% because of the near fever dream quality of the whole conspiracy. Its the type of thing which (if true) will be remembered by ever man woman and child for the rest of their lives, kinda like 9/11, Challenger Explosion, etc. You cannot reasonably expect any of such long odds types of events to occur, no matter who says they have the evidence.
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mell
2020 Nov 19, 4:21pm
Cdon2 says
The problem is it wasn't agreed upon, but rather the path was forced and forged ahead. The issues about the voting machines as well as absentee ballots have been long standing and voiced. What happened was states and counties making their own rules, even disregarding order from courts where they courts where not toying their party line. My only issue is that Trump and the Republicans really should have delayed the election, but imagine how that would have gone over with the lamestream media. It would have been a huge gamble even if they were right. So if they instead chose to monitor and expose the fraud that's not a bad avenue to go down and I expect the full time taken to clear this up, otherwise if there's a deadline for Jan 20 they should just send their state electors on the meantime, so there will be no majority or even a majority for Trump. And it doesn't matter if someone else would be the opponent or the tables were reversed, a fraudulent election cannot stand, agreed upon or not. I mean I expected issues with the voting machines but what came out so far has surpassed my mildest expectations. Before we have valid elections again we must upgrade from banana republic to certifiable, fair, auditable elections with stringent ID requirements.
mell saysI disagree. If there is obvious obstruction in building the case time should not be a factor. My only objection is that they let this election happen in the first place. Ay non-partisan judge truly following their conscience should at least throw out the election if they can't overturn it and set a date for a new election with reliable and auditable means. To even argue to this date that there's not enough evidence is a charade. There's more than enough evidence for a complete loss of confidence in the results. Even if this is now how it will play out in the courts , likely because they have been appointed leftoid lackeys, this is how it SHOULD play out, and time t build a case needs to be given. I have no problems accepting any of the candidates in a fair and auditable election, but not in that one of a banana republic which makes the Somalian election system look good.
Its the opposit...
The problem is it wasn't agreed upon, but rather the path was forced and forged ahead. The issues about the voting machines as well as absentee ballots have been long standing and voiced. What happened was states and counties making their own rules, even disregarding order from courts where they courts where not toying their party line. My only issue is that Trump and the Republicans really should have delayed the election, but imagine how that would have gone over with the lamestream media. It would have been a huge gamble even if they were right. So if they instead chose to monitor and expose the fraud that's not a bad avenue to go down and I expect the full time taken to clear this up, otherwise if there's a deadline for Jan 20 they should just send their state electors on the meantime, so there will be no majority or even a majority for Trump. And it doesn't matter if someone else would be the opponent or the tables were reversed, a fraudulent election cannot stand, agreed upon or not. I mean I expected issues with the voting machines but what came out so far has surpassed my mildest expectations. Before we have valid elections again we must upgrade from banana republic to certifiable, fair, auditable elections with stringent ID requirements.
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porkchopXpress
2020 Nov 19, 4:23pm
porkchopXpress
2020 Nov 19, 4:23pm
Watch this. Trump knows what he has. The real stuff hasn't even come out yet.
www.youtube.com/embed/HH0AvaG3SqQ
Watch Pompeo's reaction. He knows the cards that Trump has. This is a done deal. Now it's a matter of containing the civil unrest that will result and watching high level officials squeal for immunity.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAQHXf60uRo
www.youtube.com/embed/HH0AvaG3SqQ
Watch Pompeo's reaction. He knows the cards that Trump has. This is a done deal. Now it's a matter of containing the civil unrest that will result and watching high level officials squeal for immunity.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAQHXf60uRo
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mell
2020 Nov 19, 4:30pm
I give it a 35% chance of overturning as of now, mostly in agreement with KD. That's much more than I had previously.
https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=240703
https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=240703
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clambo
2020 Nov 19, 4:48pm
There is sufficient evidence of several kinds which prove that a significant number of votes were 1. Stolen from Trump 2. Given to Biden as a result of fraud to change the outcome of an election for President.
This will be sufficient for the Supreme Court to get involved.
There are several kinds of fraud involved; vote changing with ballots, vote counting changes, and electronic vote count manipulation using software.
There is evidence in 1. Sworn affidavits 2. Statistical evidence 3. Software evidence. 4. Physical evidence (ballots)
I would not like to be Biden and Harris if this goes to the Supreme Court.
2 justices hate Biden and Harris (Thomas and Kavanaugh)
4 justices were lawyers for Bush in Bush vs Gore in 2000 (Roberts, Gorsuch,Barrett, Kavanaugh)
Additionally, Alito is pissed at Pennsylvania ignoring his order to keep late ballots separate there.
This stinks to high heaven and it’s not going to disappear just because Facebook and its ilk want to censor it.
This will be sufficient for the Supreme Court to get involved.
There are several kinds of fraud involved; vote changing with ballots, vote counting changes, and electronic vote count manipulation using software.
There is evidence in 1. Sworn affidavits 2. Statistical evidence 3. Software evidence. 4. Physical evidence (ballots)
I would not like to be Biden and Harris if this goes to the Supreme Court.
2 justices hate Biden and Harris (Thomas and Kavanaugh)
4 justices were lawyers for Bush in Bush vs Gore in 2000 (Roberts, Gorsuch,Barrett, Kavanaugh)
Additionally, Alito is pissed at Pennsylvania ignoring his order to keep late ballots separate there.
This stinks to high heaven and it’s not going to disappear just because Facebook and its ilk want to censor it.
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Cdon2
2020 Nov 19, 4:54pm
mell says
If the Rs disagreed, they should have been objecting in court (not in the media but in court) for months before this election. They need to plead with particularity the issues with the widespread mail in and objected to the safeguards that statewide electorates agreed upon. The Id's and some of the safeguards you speak of have been at issue for at least 150 years. The overarching concern of the framers was widespread disenfranchisement of having too strict an election. Its a balancing act between the two extremes the partisans may want.
If the Ds have gone too far this time, the Rs need to put serious energy and effort into voter reform - there are a number of ways this could be made more safe, but it is a enormous effort, probably involving constitutional amendments. Its a serious task but if the party takes it that seriously, take it up - make it the cornerstone of trumps 2024 run.
What you are proposing here is a complete flip in the way we have been doing things for 250 years. If the republic will survive, 100 years from now it will regard the 2020 as an anomaly. a mere blip, similar to the disputes in the elections of 1824, 1876, 1888, 1948, 2000, etc. Partisans will be upset, scholars will debate for decades, and 100 years from now we will have still have the "least worse" largescale election one can find in the world.
The problem is it wasn't agreed upon, but rather the path was forced and forged ahead. The issues about the voting machines as well as absentee ballots have been long standing and voiced. What happened was states and counties making their own rules, even disregarding order from courts where they courts where not toying their party line. My only issue is that Trump and the Republicans really should have delayed the election, but imagine how that would have gone over with the lamestream media. It would have been a huge gamble even if they were right. So if they instead chose to monitor and expose the fraud that's not a bad avenue to go down and I expect the full time taken to clear this up, otherwise if there's a deadline for Jan 20 they should just send their state electors on the meantime, so there will be no majority or even a majority for Trump. And it doesn't matter if someone else would be the opponent or the tables were reversed, a fraudulent election cannot stand, agreed upon...
If the Rs disagreed, they should have been objecting in court (not in the media but in court) for months before this election. They need to plead with particularity the issues with the widespread mail in and objected to the safeguards that statewide electorates agreed upon. The Id's and some of the safeguards you speak of have been at issue for at least 150 years. The overarching concern of the framers was widespread disenfranchisement of having too strict an election. Its a balancing act between the two extremes the partisans may want.
If the Ds have gone too far this time, the Rs need to put serious energy and effort into voter reform - there are a number of ways this could be made more safe, but it is a enormous effort, probably involving constitutional amendments. Its a serious task but if the party takes it that seriously, take it up - make it the cornerstone of trumps 2024 run.
What you are proposing here is a complete flip in the way we have been doing things for 250 years. If the republic will survive, 100 years from now it will regard the 2020 as an anomaly. a mere blip, similar to the disputes in the elections of 1824, 1876, 1888, 1948, 2000, etc. Partisans will be upset, scholars will debate for decades, and 100 years from now we will have still have the "least worse" largescale election one can find in the world.
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MisdemeanorRebel
2020 Nov 19, 6:08pm
MisdemeanorRebel
2020 Nov 19, 6:08pm
Cdon2 says
Why did every Pennsylvania and Michigan county, except 2-3 of them, allow full oversight by Republican pollwatchers when they were counting the mail ballots?
Were the scores of counties that allowed Republican Pollwatchers/Observers wrong, but two or three of the solid monopoly D counties doing it right?
Its the opposite. Both parties agreed to the conditions of the election in advance.
Why did every Pennsylvania and Michigan county, except 2-3 of them, allow full oversight by Republican pollwatchers when they were counting the mail ballots?
Were the scores of counties that allowed Republican Pollwatchers/Observers wrong, but two or three of the solid monopoly D counties doing it right?
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mell
2020 Nov 19, 6:12pm
Cdon2 says
Technology hasn't been fast and efficient enough to run and store election results until the 90s maybe. So there's an argument that elections used to be done differently for a long time and haven't been the same for 150 years. If necessary go back to in person paper ballot votes only and stringent ID requirements. The fraud has been set up more recently by systematically eroding any checks and requirements during the last 2 decades.
mell says
The problem is it wasn't agreed upon, but rather the path was forced and forged ahead. The issues about the voting machines as well as absentee ballots have been long standing and voiced. What happened was states and counties making their own rules, even disregarding order from courts where they courts where not toying their party line. My only issue is that Trump and the Republicans really should have delayed the election, but imagine how that would have gone over with the lamestream media. It would have been a huge gamble even if they were right. So if they instead chose to monitor and expose the fraud that's not a bad avenue to go down and I expect the full time taken to clear this up, otherwise if there's a deadline for Jan 20 they should just send their state electors on the meantime, so there will be no majority or even a majority for Trump. And it doesn't matter if someone else would be the oppo...
Technology hasn't been fast and efficient enough to run and store election results until the 90s maybe. So there's an argument that elections used to be done differently for a long time and haven't been the same for 150 years. If necessary go back to in person paper ballot votes only and stringent ID requirements. The fraud has been set up more recently by systematically eroding any checks and requirements during the last 2 decades.
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mell
2020 Nov 19, 6:17pm
NoCoupForYou says
That alone should at least make those counties revote or exclude all votes. I mean observers denied entry, harassment, boarding up the place? Cmon man what is this, Somalia?!
Cdon2 saysIts the opposite. Both parties agreed to the conditions of the election in advance.
Why did every Pennsylvania and Michigan county, except 2-3 of them, allow full oversight by Republican pollwatchers when they were counting the mail ballots?
Were the scores of counties that allowed Republican Pollwatchers/Observers wrong, but two or three of the solid monopoly D counties doing it right?
That alone should at least make those counties revote or exclude all votes. I mean observers denied entry, harassment, boarding up the place? Cmon man what is this, Somalia?!
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Onvacation
2020 Nov 19, 6:31pm
Onvacation
2020 Nov 19, 6:31pm
mell says
APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostakovitch says
I can't believe that. I want to see the video.
APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostakovitch says
I can believe that. I DON"T want to see the video.
the lamestream media.
APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostakovitch says
I saw the video.
INSANE DEATH_DEALING BLM NEGROES AND! MUSLIMANIACS were bayonetting white voters and beheading Trump poll watchers.
I can't believe that. I want to see the video.
APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostakovitch says
And
MICHELLE OBAMA'S IMMENSE PREHENSILE PENIS lurking around trying to be incognito wearing shades and a BLM t-shirt, FOOLING NO ONE!
I can believe that. I DON"T want to see the video.
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Cdon2
2020 Nov 19, 6:33pm
mell says
Its true - they say the law is 20-40 years behind the world and this is a good example of it. In theory you could have a perfectly run nearlyfoolproof election where there were consistent ID requirements and the like.
The problem is, like so many other things, its a balancing act. In the context of an election it sounds very appealing. In the context of a national uniform system, it evokes big brother type concerns which the same people would rail against the other 3 years and 6 months between elections.
Technology hasn't been fast and efficient enough to run and store election results until the 90s maybe. So there's an argument that elections used to be done differently for a long time and haven't been the same for 150 years. If necessary go back to in person paper ballot votes only and stringent ID requirements. The fraud has been set up more recently by systematically eroding any checks and requirements during the last 2 decades.
Its true - they say the law is 20-40 years behind the world and this is a good example of it. In theory you could have a perfectly run nearlyfoolproof election where there were consistent ID requirements and the like.
The problem is, like so many other things, its a balancing act. In the context of an election it sounds very appealing. In the context of a national uniform system, it evokes big brother type concerns which the same people would rail against the other 3 years and 6 months between elections.
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Cdon2
2020 Nov 19, 6:35pm
mell says
I wholeheartedly agree. I hate to do this again, but can I get a citation? I have not heard about this in the slightest and if it is as you say, you could blow the doors open on a number of fronts.
NoCoupForYou saysCdon2 saysIts the opposite. Both parties agreed to the conditions of the election in advance.
Why did every Pennsylvania and Michigan county, except 2-3 of them, allow full oversight by Republican pollwatchers when they were counting the mail ballots?
Were the scores of counties that allowed Republican Pollwatchers/Observers wrong, but two or three of the solid monopoly D counties doing it right?
That alone should at least make those counties revote or exclude all votes. I mean observers denied entry, harassment, boarding up the place? Cmon man what is this, Somalia?!
I wholeheartedly agree. I hate to do this again, but can I get a citation? I have not heard about this in the slightest and if it is as you say, you could blow the doors open on a number of fronts.
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MisdemeanorRebel
2020 Nov 19, 6:40pm
MisdemeanorRebel
2020 Nov 19, 6:40pm
mell says
Why, if WaPo and Politfact say it is okay, then it must be okay. I agree with the wise, therefore I am wise.
DEBOONKED! Now pardon me while I attend our third session this year on not misgendering a Tranny and the 32 genders, at my Office, we respect Science.
Wait for me here - as you can see, our waiting room stocks the Economist and the Atlantic. A sure sign of Quality.
Cmon man what is this, Somalia?!
Why, if WaPo and Politfact say it is okay, then it must be okay. I agree with the wise, therefore I am wise.
DEBOONKED! Now pardon me while I attend our third session this year on not misgendering a Tranny and the 32 genders, at my Office, we respect Science.
Wait for me here - as you can see, our waiting room stocks the Economist and the Atlantic. A sure sign of Quality.
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Onvacation
2020 Nov 19, 6:42pm
Onvacation
2020 Nov 19, 6:42pm
Cdon2 says
. Fuck That! It's Trump with a capital T and you know it.
The corrupt democrats have been running roughshod over us here in Cali for a long time. They have spread to beautiful states all over the country. A small vocal army of multi colored hair soldiers and a silent election stealing system has been spreading across our country. Through PCness and threats of violence these thugs have shut up the already silent majority of people and made them feel like they are a minority.
It stops now or we have not only lost the election to the most corrupt people I have ever seen we have lost our republic.
the cornerstone of trumps 2024 run.
. Fuck That! It's Trump with a capital T and you know it.
The corrupt democrats have been running roughshod over us here in Cali for a long time. They have spread to beautiful states all over the country. A small vocal army of multi colored hair soldiers and a silent election stealing system has been spreading across our country. Through PCness and threats of violence these thugs have shut up the already silent majority of people and made them feel like they are a minority.
It stops now or we have not only lost the election to the most corrupt people I have ever seen we have lost our republic.
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Onvacation
2020 Nov 19, 6:45pm
Onvacation
2020 Nov 19, 6:45pm
Onvacation says
Correction: The evil corrupt democratic leadership. I have a lot of friends and relatives that are democrats and as far as I can tell they are just brainwashed and not evil.
The corrupt democrats
Correction: The evil corrupt democratic leadership. I have a lot of friends and relatives that are democrats and as far as I can tell they are just brainwashed and not evil.
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GlocknLoad
2020 Nov 19, 6:46pm
GlocknLoad
2020 Nov 19, 6:46pm
porkchopexpress says
Didn't this happen a couple years ago?
Watch this. Trump knows what he has. The real stuff hasn't even come out yet.
www.youtube.com/embed/HH0AvaG3SqQ
Watch Pompeo's reaction. He knows the cards that Trump has. This is a done deal. Now it's a matter of containing the civil unrest that will result and watching high level officials squeal for immunity.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAQHXf60uRo
Didn't this happen a couple years ago?
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Cdon2
2020 Nov 20, 8:09am
clambo says
If you believe that, you need to ask yourself, why (to my knowledge) no POTUS attorney has been willing to advance that argument in a court hearing? I have read a lot of complaints, and a lot of transcripts and I have yet to hear any POTUS attorney make that claim. Matter of fact, when pressed by the judge on a yes or no answer as to whether they are going to plead fraud, the answer has been a consistent "No/not at this time your honor".
I was hired a bit late to this and was happy to help via an amicus to pick up anything they had missed which I just assumed they were actively pressing in a court of law. I told my client we can simply attach the amicus to one of those active cases, and he can feel good about doing his part for POTUS. Plus, fraud, while rare, is wrong, and I do like the idea of remedying it, which is why I was happy to intervene if it would help the cause. The reality is the common sense notion of "fraud" is very easy to claim, in the public sphere, but very hard to prove in court. If counsel for POTUS cannot bring it soon, you really have to wonder if this is a sincere effort, or just another nothingburger which so often seems to be the case nowadays.
There is sufficient evidence of several kinds which prove that a significant number of votes were 1. Stolen from Trump 2. Given to Biden as a result of fraud to change the outcome of an election for President.
This will be sufficient for the Supreme Court to get involved.
There are several kinds of fraud involved; vote changing with ballots, vote counting changes, and electronic vote count manipulation using software.
There is evidence in 1. Sworn affidavits 2. Statistical evidence 3. Software evidence. 4. Physical evidence (ballots)
If you believe that, you need to ask yourself, why (to my knowledge) no POTUS attorney has been willing to advance that argument in a court hearing? I have read a lot of complaints, and a lot of transcripts and I have yet to hear any POTUS attorney make that claim. Matter of fact, when pressed by the judge on a yes or no answer as to whether they are going to plead fraud, the answer has been a consistent "No/not at this time your honor".
I was hired a bit late to this and was happy to help via an amicus to pick up anything they had missed which I just assumed they were actively pressing in a court of law. I told my client we can simply attach the amicus to one of those active cases, and he can feel good about doing his part for POTUS. Plus, fraud, while rare, is wrong, and I do like the idea of remedying it, which is why I was happy to intervene if it would help the cause. The reality is the common sense notion of "fraud" is very easy to claim, in the public sphere, but very hard to prove in court. If counsel for POTUS cannot bring it soon, you really have to wonder if this is a sincere effort, or just another nothingburger which so often seems to be the case nowadays.
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porkchopXpress
2020 Nov 20, 8:13am
porkchopXpress
2020 Nov 20, 8:13am
GlocknLoad says
porkchopexpress saysYou're totally right. My bad.Watch this. Trump knows what he has. The real stuff hasn't even come out yet.
www.youtube.com/embed/HH0AvaG3SqQ
Watch Pompeo's reaction. He knows the cards that Trump has. This is a done deal. Now it's a matter of containing the civil unrest that will result and watching high level officials squeal for immunity.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAQHXf60uRo
Didn't this happen a couple years ago?
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Cdon2
2020 Nov 20, 8:21am
NoCoupForYou says
OK, given your response, I am guessing you are thinking of the "I wasnt allowed in the room" claim which ran for the first few media cycles, but has also has been denied by POTUS counsel when pressed at oral argument. That said, I havent read everything and as I said when I started this, the great lesson of the national enquirer reporting on John Edwards was they were right and ignored by everyone for 10 months before it became accepted as true. Note too that lawyers are not always right, so POTUS counsel may not be pressing the claim because they just assumed that the first few times they were forced to admit "yes there were R officials in the room" that was the case everywhere in all areas. Same goes with the Debunking BS claims which are sometimes just handwaiving and assuming the admission of POTUS counsel we had people in that room in that county, means they had it in every room in every county, which obviously is not the case! Dont give up. Just one nugget of reality among BS mountain which was missed by everyone to date can still blow this case wide open.
mell saysCmon man what is this, Somalia?!
Why, if WaPo and Politfact say it is okay, then it must be okay. I agree with the wise, therefore I am wise.
DEBOONKED! Now pardon me while I attend our third session this year on not misgendering a Tranny and the 32 genders, at my Office, we respect Science.
Wait for me here - as you can see, our waiting room stocks the Economist and the Atlantic. A sure sign of Quality.
OK, given your response, I am guessing you are thinking of the "I wasnt allowed in the room" claim which ran for the first few media cycles, but has also has been denied by POTUS counsel when pressed at oral argument. That said, I havent read everything and as I said when I started this, the great lesson of the national enquirer reporting on John Edwards was they were right and ignored by everyone for 10 months before it became accepted as true. Note too that lawyers are not always right, so POTUS counsel may not be pressing the claim because they just assumed that the first few times they were forced to admit "yes there were R officials in the room" that was the case everywhere in all areas. Same goes with the Debunking BS claims which are sometimes just handwaiving and assuming the admission of POTUS counsel we had people in that room in that county, means they had it in every room in every county, which obviously is not the case! Dont give up. Just one nugget of reality among BS mountain which was missed by everyone to date can still blow this case wide open.
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Onvacation
2020 Nov 20, 9:29am
Onvacation
2020 Nov 20, 9:29am
Cdon2 says
The fraud this election was so blatant it made the Russian collusion look like a made up hoax.
Plus, fraud, while rare, is wrong, and I do like the idea of remedying it, which is why I was happy to intervene if it would help the cause. The reality is the common sense notion of "fraud" is very easy to claim, in the public sphere, but very hard to prove in court. If counsel for POTUS cannot bring it soon, you really have to wonder if this is a sincere effort, or just another nothingburger which so often seems to be the case nowadays.
The fraud this election was so blatant it made the Russian collusion look like a made up hoax.
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FarmersWon
2020 Nov 20, 9:32am
FarmersWon
2020 Nov 20, 9:32am
This discussion is waste of time.
Below is what will decide results:
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1) Are the votes stored as "Floating point numbers"?
2) Can the votes be changed without feeding paper ballot?
3) Can votes be changed remotely?
4) Did they have links to Venezuela?
5) Does the software have a "multiplier/divider/add/subtract feature"?
6) Does the software catches if same ballot is scanned twice or more?
Yes to any of above is "FRAUD". NO to any of above is cross examination and if they would be found guilty of lying.
Based on maths and comments on liberal sites went full blown to defeat the "Hitler" using undemocratic methods...How convenient.
Now you can decide what is right.
I heard Dominion guys are running for hills.
Below is what will decide results:
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1) Are the votes stored as "Floating point numbers"?
2) Can the votes be changed without feeding paper ballot?
3) Can votes be changed remotely?
4) Did they have links to Venezuela?
5) Does the software have a "multiplier/divider/add/subtract feature"?
6) Does the software catches if same ballot is scanned twice or more?
Yes to any of above is "FRAUD". NO to any of above is cross examination and if they would be found guilty of lying.
Based on maths and comments on liberal sites went full blown to defeat the "Hitler" using undemocratic methods...How convenient.
Now you can decide what is right.
I heard Dominion guys are running for hills.
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Tenpoundbass
2020 Nov 20, 9:38am
Tenpoundbass
2020 Nov 20, 9:38am
Cdon2 is constantly using language more suited to killing people's resolve to get to the bottom of it, than a Lawyer on a fact finding mission.
I've been in this room before. When you offer up irrelevant information or redundant information that either may or either may not hold water. The Lawyers always tell you, "We're good on that information, we have all we need on that." Then they instruct on the information type they have a deficit in. They don't focus on destroying people's resolve or diminishing every iota of evidence offered up so far. And I've never seen a bunch of well heeled lawyers shit on the overwhelming eye witnesses, and depositions, and try to spin it as "There is no Evidence".
Every legal issue Trump went through in the last 4 years, was anonymous Hear say.
And they were so incredulous, there was a great effort to conceal their identity to the length to make it illegal to even try to guess who it was
I've been in this room before. When you offer up irrelevant information or redundant information that either may or either may not hold water. The Lawyers always tell you, "We're good on that information, we have all we need on that." Then they instruct on the information type they have a deficit in. They don't focus on destroying people's resolve or diminishing every iota of evidence offered up so far. And I've never seen a bunch of well heeled lawyers shit on the overwhelming eye witnesses, and depositions, and try to spin it as "There is no Evidence".
Every legal issue Trump went through in the last 4 years, was anonymous Hear say.
And they were so incredulous, there was a great effort to conceal their identity to the length to make it illegal to even try to guess who it was
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mell
2020 Nov 20, 9:40am
The fact that dominion lawyered up instead of appearing in PA speaks volumes and is clearly pointing towards fraud. The election should be invalidated in counties where dominion was used.
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FarmersWon
2020 Nov 20, 9:44am
FarmersWon
2020 Nov 20, 9:44am
Dominion is caught and the election was fraud and Trump won. Anyone with common sense knows that.
It is basically admission that they are stopping "Hitler" using non-democratic methods.
Now the question is if they can prove it. The proof is in "statistics and software".
Voting irregularities at small scale is just a filler to "keep people memory refreshed with.. election was fraud".
This cdon guy should cool down.
It is basically admission that they are stopping "Hitler" using non-democratic methods.
Now the question is if they can prove it. The proof is in "statistics and software".
Voting irregularities at small scale is just a filler to "keep people memory refreshed with.. election was fraud".
This cdon guy should cool down.
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Ceffer
2020 Nov 20, 9:48am
Ceffer
2020 Nov 20, 9:48am
Cdon is a propaganda plant. No lawyer would ever say that fraud is 'rare'. Also, no lawyer would come to a random blog to look for 'evidence'.
I suppose it is reassuring that somebody is frightened enough to think this is still necessary.
I suppose it is reassuring that somebody is frightened enough to think this is still necessary.
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mell
2020 Nov 20, 9:50am
Cdon2 says
There is nothing to prove anymore as it already has been proven - the videos are out there of them boarding up the rooms and throwing people out, and not, it wasn't overcrowded. Here's how the clinton news network and the city spun it:
"
But a city official poured cold water on the assertions, explaining to CNN Business that the measure at the center of controversy was taken to ensure private voter data wasn't inappropriately exposed to the public.
"
are you fucking kidding me? These poll workers have been doing shenanigans with voters ballots all night, they can see names, but you know who couldn't? The poll watchers who were ordered to stay so far away INSIDE the rooms that they couldn't read shit. And anybody is going to believe that people on the OUTSIDE with 21/21 vision can actually catch a glimpse of "private" data? Seriously, this is just skulduggery at this point. Whatever the legal standards are, it's clear that they obstructed poll watching to the fullest extent and thus the results need to be invalidated.
NoCoupForYou saysmell saysCmon man what is this, Somalia?!
Why, if WaPo and Politfact say it is okay, then it must be okay. I agree with the wise, therefore I am wise.
DEBOONKED! Now pardon me while I attend our third session this year on not misgendering a Tranny and the 32 genders, at my Office, we respect Science.
Wait for me here - as you can see, our waiting room stocks the Economist and the Atlantic. A sure sign of Quality.
OK, given your response, I am guessing you are thinking of the "I wasnt allowed in the room" claim which ran for the first few media cycles, but has also has been denied by POTUS counsel when pressed at oral argument. That said, I havent read everything and as I said when I started this, the great lesson of the national enquirer reporting on John Edwards was ...
There is nothing to prove anymore as it already has been proven - the videos are out there of them boarding up the rooms and throwing people out, and not, it wasn't overcrowded. Here's how the clinton news network and the city spun it:
"
But a city official poured cold water on the assertions, explaining to CNN Business that the measure at the center of controversy was taken to ensure private voter data wasn't inappropriately exposed to the public.
"
are you fucking kidding me? These poll workers have been doing shenanigans with voters ballots all night, they can see names, but you know who couldn't? The poll watchers who were ordered to stay so far away INSIDE the rooms that they couldn't read shit. And anybody is going to believe that people on the OUTSIDE with 21/21 vision can actually catch a glimpse of "private" data? Seriously, this is just skulduggery at this point. Whatever the legal standards are, it's clear that they obstructed poll watching to the fullest extent and thus the results need to be invalidated.
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FarmersWon
2020 Nov 20, 9:52am
FarmersWon
2020 Nov 20, 9:52am
Ceffer says
If thats true some "mental disorders" can't be cured.We can just take it as a entertainment while waiting for "code dump" form Dominion for public to see.
I would be "grepping for real numbers" if it is C++ code.
Cdon is a propaganda plant. No lawyer would ever say that fraud is 'rare'. Also, no lawyer would come to a random blog to look for 'evidence'.
I suppose it is reassuring that somebody is frightened enough to think this is still necessary.
If thats true some "mental disorders" can't be cured.We can just take it as a entertainment while waiting for "code dump" form Dominion for public to see.
I would be "grepping for real numbers" if it is C++ code.
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Tenpoundbass
2020 Nov 20, 9:56am
Tenpoundbass
2020 Nov 20, 9:56am
mell says
I wonder if anyone in the room that was put so far back, challenged every ballot every working in the room picked up?
Poll Watcher
"I contest that ballot the signatures don't match!"
Poll worker
"How can you tell, you're too far back to see it!"
Poll Watcher
"EXACTLY! so bring it over there so I can see it!"
are you fucking kidding me? These poll workers have been doing shenanigans with voters ballots all night, they can see names, but you know who couldn't? The poll watchers who were ordered to stay so far away INSIDE the rooms that they couldn't read shit. And anybody is going to believe that people on the OUTSIDE with 21/21 vision can actually catch a glimpse of "private" data? Seriously, this is just skullduggery at this point. Whatever the legal standards are, it's clear that they obstructed poll watching to the fullest extent and thus the results need to be invalidated.
I wonder if anyone in the room that was put so far back, challenged every ballot every working in the room picked up?
Poll Watcher
"I contest that ballot the signatures don't match!"
Poll worker
"How can you tell, you're too far back to see it!"
Poll Watcher
"EXACTLY! so bring it over there so I can see it!"
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FarmersWon
2020 Nov 20, 10:03am
FarmersWon
2020 Nov 20, 10:03am
Tenpoundbass says
@Tenpoundbass
To protect democracy, we have to first kill it.
Hitler bad, Bolsheviks good.
mell saysare you fucking kidding me? These poll workers have been doing shenanigans with voters ballots all night, they can see names, but you know who couldn't? The poll watchers who were ordered to stay so far away INSIDE the rooms that they couldn't read shit. And anybody is going to believe that people on the OUTSIDE with 21/21 vision can actually catch a glimpse of "private" data? Seriously, this is just skullduggery at this point. Whatever the legal standards are, it's clear that they obstructed poll watching to the fullest extent and thus the results need to be invalidated.
I wonder if anyone in the room that was put so far back, challenged every ballot every working in the room picked up?
Poll Watcher
"I contest that ballot the signatures don't match!"
Poll worker
"How can you tell, you're too far back to see it!"
Poll Watcher
"EXACTLY! so bring it over there so I can see it!"
@Tenpoundbass
To protect democracy, we have to first kill it.
Hitler bad, Bolsheviks good.
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Tenpoundbass
2020 Nov 20, 10:34am
Tenpoundbass
2020 Nov 20, 10:34am
Tenpoundbass says
Perhaps the poll watcher in the quick and dirty recount had the same idea as me.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/11/dekalb-county-georgia-elections-manager-fired-series-errors-audit-ballots/?ff_source=Parler&ff_campaign=websitesharingbuttons
I wonder if anyone in the room that was put so far back, challenged every ballot every working in the room picked up?
Poll Watcher
"I contest that ballot the signatures don't match!"
Poll worker
"How can you tell, you're too far back to see it!"
Poll Watcher
"EXACTLY! so bring it over there so I can see it!"
Perhaps the poll watcher in the quick and dirty recount had the same idea as me.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/11/dekalb-county-georgia-elections-manager-fired-series-errors-audit-ballots/?ff_source=Parler&ff_campaign=websitesharingbuttons
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FarmersWon
2020 Nov 20, 10:39am
FarmersWon
2020 Nov 20, 10:39am
These all are good stories to remind public that elections have become "big fraud". Needs cleanup.
Is Trump the right guy to do cleanup? That citizens needs to decide without foreign interference.
The election fight is clear:
Globalists : Election was fair and no foreign interference by communists. Dominion software is rock solid.
Nationalists: Election was piece of crap, The Dominion software is fraud committed on US citizens by communists.
Based one evidence one will win.
Is Trump the right guy to do cleanup? That citizens needs to decide without foreign interference.
The election fight is clear:
Globalists : Election was fair and no foreign interference by communists. Dominion software is rock solid.
Nationalists: Election was piece of crap, The Dominion software is fraud committed on US citizens by communists.
Based one evidence one will win.
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Tenpoundbass
2020 Nov 20, 11:22am
Tenpoundbass
2020 Nov 20, 11:22am
sikhguy says
Trump is the guy that exposed all of their corruption, there is no walking it all back.
What these fuck nuts don't understand, Trump's supporters has deep and great respect for him to accomplish what he needs to do to clean our government up and put America back on the right track. Us staying out of and letting Trump handle it, so the MSM didn't try to frame it his supporters as an Army of White Supremacists trying to take over America. But of course it didn't stop them from going with that canard .They confused our stand down, but stand by as being agreeable with their actions, or we somehow are going to accept it.
What Trump is doing now, is exposing every level of our Government that us Tax payers pay for, as back stabbing power hungry self serving scumbags, that will go to great lengths to not allow the systemic corruption come to light. .They don't want to fuck up their cushy do nothing job.
What they fail to realize, if they manage to dispatch away with Trump and just dismiss him and his legal teams finding with crass dishonest disregard for the truth, facts or the law. Will be perceived as a hocked up loogey and spat in the face of the 80 million gun toting patriot NRA members that voted for Trump.
These Mother Fuckers are all Fired, they are redundant, and will have proven, the system is broken and all bets are off.
Not even Chief Justice Roberts will be safe, I'm calling dibs on his Mansion now after they string the cocksuckers up in public executions.
They spent months laughing at us they are stealing the election and created a bogus pandemic cover story, now they laugh as we uncover the evidence and claim they don't see any evidence. Now those Sorry Cock Suckers are talking about rounding up the Trump supporters and interning them in a Camp.
They have no idea the pure upheaval they are about to unleash .And if the Guard and local law officials were helpless against purple hair faggots and soyboys,
Then there's practically nothing between these self serving Bastards that are laughing at us, thinking they did away Trumpism by stealing this election.
God Fucking help them if they have to find out!
Is Trump the right guy to do cleanup?
Trump is the guy that exposed all of their corruption, there is no walking it all back.
What these fuck nuts don't understand, Trump's supporters has deep and great respect for him to accomplish what he needs to do to clean our government up and put America back on the right track. Us staying out of and letting Trump handle it, so the MSM didn't try to frame it his supporters as an Army of White Supremacists trying to take over America. But of course it didn't stop them from going with that canard .They confused our stand down, but stand by as being agreeable with their actions, or we somehow are going to accept it.
What Trump is doing now, is exposing every level of our Government that us Tax payers pay for, as back stabbing power hungry self serving scumbags, that will go to great lengths to not allow the systemic corruption come to light. .They don't want to fuck up their cushy do nothing job.
What they fail to realize, if they manage to dispatch away with Trump and just dismiss him and his legal teams finding with crass dishonest disregard for the truth, facts or the law. Will be perceived as a hocked up loogey and spat in the face of the 80 million gun toting patriot NRA members that voted for Trump.
These Mother Fuckers are all Fired, they are redundant, and will have proven, the system is broken and all bets are off.
Not even Chief Justice Roberts will be safe, I'm calling dibs on his Mansion now after they string the cocksuckers up in public executions.
They spent months laughing at us they are stealing the election and created a bogus pandemic cover story, now they laugh as we uncover the evidence and claim they don't see any evidence. Now those Sorry Cock Suckers are talking about rounding up the Trump supporters and interning them in a Camp.
They have no idea the pure upheaval they are about to unleash .And if the Guard and local law officials were helpless against purple hair faggots and soyboys,
Then there's practically nothing between these self serving Bastards that are laughing at us, thinking they did away Trumpism by stealing this election.
God Fucking help them if they have to find out!
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FarmersWon
2020 Nov 20, 11:46am
FarmersWon
2020 Nov 20, 11:46am
There are two paths from here for US:
1) Cleaner truly representative democracy
2) dictatorship
I hope 1 wins.
1) Cleaner truly representative democracy
2) dictatorship
I hope 1 wins.
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Patrick
2020 Nov 20, 12:24pm
Patrick
2020 Nov 20, 12:24pm
Ceffer says
I disagree. He's a legit old-time user (2012) of patrick.net back under a separate name.
Cdon is a propaganda plant.
I disagree. He's a legit old-time user (2012) of patrick.net back under a separate name.
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Ceffer
2020 Nov 20, 1:06pm
Ceffer
2020 Nov 20, 1:06pm
I still think he is a propaganda plant, by hook, crook, or intent. Why come back to Patnet after so long and at this particular time? A lot of what he is saying does not pass the smell test by default and transcends opinion variation.
i'm assuming he will vaporize after the strum and drang of election are over. I wouldn't waste my time with him.
i'm assuming he will vaporize after the strum and drang of election are over. I wouldn't waste my time with him.
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Tenpoundbass
2020 Nov 22, 4:27pm
Tenpoundbass
2020 Nov 22, 4:27pm
Patrick says
The two can be true at the same time.
Especially given the fact in Patnet's previous life it was a far Left leaning site. And CDon bailed along with most of the Leftist after they realized you supported Donald Trump.
I disagree. He's a legit old-time user (2012) of patrick.net back under a separate name.
The two can be true at the same time.
Especially given the fact in Patnet's previous life it was a far Left leaning site. And CDon bailed along with most of the Leftist after they realized you supported Donald Trump.
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Amount of fraud in Michigan and Wisconsin is out of this world.
- When Republican poll watchers left in Michigan, democrats pulled in trucks of ballots and started scanning them 3 at a time, they didn't have enogh time to full fill them out so they just filled in the president bubble, not the rest of the ballot even.
- Similar situation in Wisconsin and Georgia
Hundreds of witnesses.
Democrats are turning America into a banana republic, stealing election. Started with BLM beating people down telling them they'll be burned down if they vote for Trump, but that wasn't enough, so they are stuffing ballot boxes.