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richwicks says

The reason I preferred Trump is NOT because I like him, I consider him a big buffoon mostly, which is a step up for anything I've seen in the last 30 years. At least he wasn't one of them, and he surprised me, at least he didn't start another war. Every war we've been in, has been a complete waste of money, we've gotten NOTHING out of it.

Same.

Onvacation says

richwicks says

Our "legitimate"(?) government hasn't done a goddamned positive thing for this nation in 30 years, maybe longer.

60 years, at least.

They killed Kennedy and everything our government has done since has been for special interest and not the common man.

The prosecuted and convicted around 1000 people involved in the Saving's and Loan Scandal in the 1980's. They let Neil Bush walk, but at least they did SOMETHING.

With Bernie Madoff he had the whistle blown on him twice, but when he ripped off some powerful Jewish interests, only THEN was he prosecuted.

We had extensive mortgage fraud which contributed to the housing boom and bust, nobody prosecuted. Sam Bankman Fraud is going to walk, I guarantee it. Our president now is selling access to the office, he's OPENLY accepting bribes.

PeopleUnited says

richwicks says

The reason I preferred Trump is NOT because I like him, I consider him a big buffoon mostly, which is a step up for anything I've seen in the last 30 years. At least he wasn't one of them, and he surprised me, at least he didn't start another war. Every war we've been in, has been a complete waste of money, we've gotten NOTHING out of it.

Same.

Well, we're on the same page finally, or nearly.

Where we disagree is that I don't believe there's any political solution at this point.

I realize blowing up a building won't do anything and if that happens, the first group I'd suspect would be the FIB to demonize people like me that see no solution. They're already doing that to us - they did that with Whitmer's "kidnapping". We're all "white racist supremacists", right? We're the #1 threat to the nation, according to the FIB. Mother fuckers are shameless scum.

Our government is absolute garbage, filled with sociopaths, pedophiles, criminals, murderers, lunatics, liars, nothing else. NOTHING else.

All this incitement to violence by our government, by our "news" media, by our social media is to create division, because it should be EASY to organize against all these assholes and it would be, if not for censorship and propaganda and people's unawareness of just what the government is, and is doing. That's all that prevents it

richwicks says

We're living in a society where a sex trafficker named Jeffrey Epstein was murdered by our government (or perhaps whisked off to Tel-Aviv) where our intelligence agencies covered for him, and for which none of his clients were prosecuted?

And where Hunter Biden can be caught smoking crack, committing sex crimes with minors (including his own relatives), violating gun laws, and selling influence to China and Ukraine.

And the criminal FBI does absolutely nothing about it.

Patrick says

richwicks says

We're living in a society where a sex trafficker named Jeffrey Epstein was murdered by our government (or perhaps whisked off to Tel-Aviv) where our intelligence agencies covered for him, and for which none of his clients were prosecuted?

And where Hunter Biden can be caught smoking crack, committing sex crimes with minors (including his own relatives), violating gun laws, and selling influence to China and Ukraine.

And the criminal FBI does absolutely nothing about it.

Right.

How do you even approach fixing this problem when the government turns a blind eye to BLATANT crimes? Our "government", our mafia, refuses to lift a finger, they don't even care about seeming legitimate, and they are not fucking legitimate.

richwicks says

it should be EASY to organize against all these assholes and it would be, if not for censorship and propaganda and people's unawareness

But the truth is freely available for anyone to see.
Most people don’t care (apathy)
Some people don’t believe it (denial)
The rest don’t seem to know what to do about it (ignorance)

Even some of the collaborators fall into the above categories.

PeopleUnited says

But the truth is freely available for anyone to see.
Most people don’t care (apathy)
Some people don’t believe it (denial)
The rest don’t seem to know what to do about it (ignorance)

Yes, but some people want to know. I'm not trying to reach the cattle. 90% of the population are cattle. I found that out the hard way during "the Pandemic" ® ©

PeopleUnited says

Even some of the collaborators fall into the above categories.

No, most of them do. You think they would be doing this shit knowing what they're going to be doing to their kids and grandchildren?

PeopleUnited says

Your source? For posterity sake? Let’s post it once more just so everyone can see what your idea of a non-propaganda site looks like.

Nope. You've refused to do your due diligence, and that's what I'm taking issue with, not your fundamental argument, the laziness in how you're trying to prove it. If you want to convince us, you'll need a non-lamestream media source, someone who wasn't pushing jabs the last two years, and if you want my link, you'll at least need to search this thread.

I’m not interested in propaganda. The propaganda mill started pushing the narrative that she was dead the moment her video of the fainting was aired. They did not have any evidence of her death and they still don’t. But the lie took on a life of its own to the point where even an appearance on national Tv is dismissed as a body double like some Tom cruise movie. It’s beyond bizarre. Even the right wing is now living in clown world.

richwicks says

I'm not trying to reach the cattle.

A video of a guy in his livingroom in his undershirt talking on a podcast about how the WTC bombing was a false flag perpetrated by the Deep state is not going to inspire confidence in sensible people’s minds. And only sensible people can respond appropriately to a message
So if information is going to be shared it’s best to at least put on a nice shirt!

But even those who learn and accept the truth will need a plan on how to fix things. And it seems like you believe it is beyond fixing, so what is your goal?

Tiffany is doing the backstroke in the vaporous nether realms.

PeopleUnited says

But even those who learn and accept the truth will need a plan on how to fix things

I don't know how to fix things.

I do know that people won't even contemplate on how to fix things, if they don't know things are broken.

PeopleUnited says

And it seems like you believe it is beyond fixing, so what is your goal?

When we started making the Internet in the 1990's, the assumption was that once everybody could talk to one another, that they would and that would be the end of propaganda and central media control.

The mistake we made, as young adults, was that people aren't like us. We did talk to the planet. You have any idea how easy it is to talk to an Iranian, or how easy it ONCE was? When this ability was slowly being taken away by getting dupes to migrate to Facebook and so on, we could see there was censorship to keep people divided.

Nobody listened to us. Even though WE IMPLEMENTED these systems, nobody listened to us.

Maybe you deserve what you get.

It takes at least 10 years before the public realizes what we already know.

It's going to take a decade before the average shithead realizes that the Ukraine war was started by the United States. It will take them 10 years before they realize that the US overthrew it, and this entire conflict was created by the same assholes that lied us into the Iraq War which is over 20 years ago.

PeopleUnited says

Even the right wing is now living in clown world.

True and false are less important than whipping up hysteria. The more hysterical a population is, the less effective their resistance is. I would say they successfully made a large portion of each major "side" hysterical.

PeopleUnited says

I’m not interested in propaganda. The propaganda mill started pushing the narrative that she was dead the moment her video of the fainting was aired. They did not have any evidence of her death and they still don’t. But the lie took on a life of its own to the point where even an appearance on national Tv is dismissed as a body double like some Tom cruise movie. It’s beyond bizarre. Even the right wing is now living in clown world.

It doesn't matter in this case. If she's alive, then something else very consequential happened which led to a whole coverup, got her fired and from her job and paid off not to talk about it and disappear for a while from the public limelight. People faint all the time, even on simple blood draws, there is no rhyme or reason for what followed. At the minimum she got severely maimed, and they shut her up until they could do all they can do to send her on the road to partial recovery, and wait long enough until she doesn't seem maimed anymore, so they can let he back into the spotlight.

Tiffany argued with St. Peter at the Pearly Gates, and was fined and remanded to Purgatory for ten thousand years.

Ceffer says

Tiffany argued with St. Peter at the Pearly Gates, and was fined and remanded to Purgatory for ten thousand years.

Link? Or you're making stuff up.

In the beginning Tiffany was rolled out as the poster girl of getting vaxxed. After the jab she fainted at the podium mid speech. She explained it away and disappeared for a couple of years without another word.

Still waiting for her book or at least a reason for going public after 2 1/2 years of silence.

Tiffany's ethereal essence was seen wrapped around the tendrils of the rosy dawn.

Tiffany's only appearances now days are at Madam La Rou's House of Seances.

PeopleUnited says

I’m not interested in propaganda. The propaganda mill started pushing the narrative that she was dead the moment her video of the fainting was aired. They did not have any evidence of her death and they still don’t. But the lie took on a life of its own to the point where even an appearance on national Tv is dismissed as a body double like some Tom cruise movie. It’s beyond bizarre. Even the right wing is now living in clown world.

There's no false paradigm party affiliation to blame this one on. It's spans both parties, and mostly comes from those of us who stopped voting decades ago. The foundation is critical thought. For you to dismiss someone's complete and totally unexplained disappearance for over two years, coupled with them only resurfacing after the Damar Hamlin debacle, and not delve any deeper shows a level of dissociation I only see in propaganda believers.

Your entirely opinion based, lamestream media fed viewpoint requires agreement with known liars and sociopaths who have pushed the scamdemic for the past two years. It requires that you yourself subscribe to the idea that it's impossible someone would ever be killed on Live TV by accident/arrogance. That government coverups are fantasy. That people never get paid off or accept bribes to lie about death or cause of death. Despite all the examples.

You wanna spout opinion go ahead. But what kind of jackasses would we be to listen to you and your sources without thinking, or doing our own research?

You've failed to prove she's alive. You've failed to search this thread. You've failed to provide a non-biased source. The more you rant on this, the more you lie to us, and worse, to yourself.

NuttBoxer says

Tiffany's only appearances now days are at Madam La Rou's House of Seances.

They channelled Tiffany, and the medium got a vaccine syringe in the eye.

NuttBoxer says

You've failed to prove she's alive.

Let's pretend Tiffany never died and the woman claiming to be her really is her.

It doesn't prove that the vax is safe and effective and we're all conspiracy theorists for wanting to know what happened to the poster girl of early experimental biologic agent injections.

The question now is, Where WAS Tiffany Dover? Assuming she's still alive.

Onvacation says

The question now is, Where WAS Tiffany Dover? Assuming she's still alive.

If she is, apparently signing on property in the south according to the one source I found believable. But if we're gonna base it on documents, those are not too hard to forge ;)

Ceffer says

NuttBoxer says

Tiffany's only appearances now days are at Madam La Rou's House of Seances.

They channelled Tiffany, and the medium got a vaccine syringe in the eye.

Bet she didn't see that coming.

I heard if you stare at a mirror and say "Fainting Tiffany" ten times, she appears and injects you with the shot, then you both pass out and die.

NuttBoxer says

I heard if you stare at a mirror and say "Fainting Tiffany" ten times, she appears and injects you with the shot, then you both pass out and die.

In Tiffany's purgatory she's forced to watch her body double rise to fame. The interview was just the beginning. Next a book deal, then a Lifetime special.

Fake Tiffany has already signed up with PornHub to do vaccine theme related porn.

richwicks says

It's going to take a decade before the average shithead realizes that the Ukraine war was started by the United States.

Which is why, as horrible as it is that this war is going on, it doesn’t matter because it is not going to cause anyone to wake up before it is too late. Might as well talk about something that can be changed.

Your eternal destiny, for example has not been settled.

NuttBoxer says

Your entirely opinion based, lamestream media fed viewpoint requires agreement with known liars and sociopaths who have pushed the scamdemic for the past two years. It requires that you yourself subscribe to the idea that it's impossible someone would ever be killed on Live TV by accident/arrogance. That government coverups are fantasy. That people never get paid off or accept bribes to lie about death or cause of death. Despite all the examples.

You wanna spout opinion go ahead. But what kind of jackasses would we be to listen to you and your sources without thinking, or doing our own research?

You've failed to prove she's alive. You've failed to search this thread. You've failed to provide a non-biased source.

Do you know anyone who has died in the past 10 years. I do, and every single one of them had an online obituary and funeral home memorial site. Their deaths, were not anonymous. They are well known and searchable, even to this day. I’m not trying to convince anyone, everyone here has already chosen a side. But I cannot sit idly by while and not call BS when the vaccine skeptics push a lie that only hurts their own cause. Believe she is dead if you want, if that is what you believe. One day soon we will all know the truth that Tiffany is just a vaxhole that fainted and then propaganda artists created a false narrative to gain clicks on their propaganda site. “Dead” Tiffany is just another click bait propaganda piece, and there is zero proof that she died.

Her fainting was an embarrassment and it stands to reason that the idiot vax pushers would do their best to keep her out of the limelight. A good number of people who saw that video and were already “vax hesitant “ would clearly be deterred by what they saw, so best to just sweep it all under the rug.

Don’t listen to me though, I’m just some guy who doesn’t believe someone has died unless two witnesses identify the deceased. Yeah, I know that is so unreasonable of me, to you know, require proof.

NuttBoxer says

Onvacation says

The question now is, Where WAS Tiffany Dover? Assuming she's still alive.

If she is, apparently signing on property in the south according to the one source I found believable. But if we're gonna base it on documents, those are not too hard to forge ;)

Now you are starting to sound reasonable. The whole thing is basically a non starter, none of us here knew her before the televised faint, nor are we likely to see her ever in real life. So everything we know about her we take on faith. I trust the lack of evidence of her death to mean that she didn’t die. Plus, the person on NBC interview matches photos that are labeled as images of Tiffany on other independent sites. And she sounds like a stupid nurse to me, so I find the story to be plausible that she just was cowed into silence until the recent interview, plus she seems to value her privacy and generally is afraid of all the unwanted attention she has gotten.

Add to that the fact that all the sites I have read that claim she is dead also lack proof, and are varying degrees less credible than Alex Jones propaganda site.

I want to believe, but I need proof in this case. There are few things more ridiculous than claiming that a living person is dead. So I require proof. The fact that there is no proof is quite telling.

PeopleUnited says

and every single one of them had an online obituary and funeral home memorial site.

How many of them were the first healthcare worker to get jabbed on live TV?

PeopleUnited says

"...none of us here knew her before the televised faint"

Did she faint or did she drop dead? There is a difference!

Back in December 2020 the amount of toxin in the vaccine was huge!

Besides, you are ignoring the medical science here: All vaccines and medications are unsafe until we have scientific proof that they are safe and effective. The Covid vaccines do not have such a proof and in fact they are untested and experimental. This is not medicine and this is not science!

Besides, you are conveniently ignoring the evidence we have here:

Grab a cup of coffee and see what probably happened to Tiffany Dover - Warning !! Graphic Images!!

https://odysee.com/@Spike:4/WARNING--GRAPHIC-IMAGES-GLOBAL-DEPOPULATION-IN-FULL-SWING-AS-ADULT-DEATH-SYNDROME-SKYROCKETS:8

The_Deplorable says

Did she faint or did she drop dead? There is a difference!

Yep, and if she died literally thousands of people who knew her would know it. Did big pharmacy kill or pay off all those people too?

Just imagine if one of your co-workers suddenly disappeared. You would be silent? I wouldn’t!

I would tell what I know, even it it was simply that she disappeared and now a body double is wearing her uniform and name badge!

NuttBoxer says

PeopleUnited says

and every single one of them had an online obituary and funeral home memorial site.

How many of them were the first healthcare worker to get jabbed on live TV?

TIFF was not the first health care worker to get the poison injections. https://www.businessinsider.com/photos-first-us-coronavirus-vaccine-administered-to-healthcare-workers-2020-12?op=1

PeopleUnited says

The_Deplorable says

Did she faint or did she drop dead? There is a difference!

"Yep, and if she died literally thousands of people who knew her would know it."

Not if the media does not report it. Remember, the Globalists and Big Pharma control the media.

PeopleUnited says

TIFF was not the first health care worker to get the poison injections.

She was the first person I know of that got jabbed, passed out on live stream, and then disappeared for two years.

@PeopleUnited Do you think the jabs are safe and effective?

Onvacation says

PeopleUnited says

TIFF was not the first health care worker to get the poison injections.

She was the first person I know of that got jabbed, passed out on live stream, and then disappeared for two years.

PeopleUnited Do you think the jabs are safe and effective?

To butt in, I doubt Dover is dead.

If the point was to prove the vaccine was safe and effective, they would have injected her with saline and make damned certain she didn't pass out.

HOWEVER, if this was to make it appear that passing out from a vaccine was normal, and then to make a bunch of people look crazy for saying she died, they would have done this as well.

Never put anything past the government in terms of deceiving the public. They CONSTANTLY undermine people who are right. Got questions about 9/11? Well, that's why Judy Woods exists. She ONLY exists to make anybody that questions the official story of 9/11, look nuts.

I doubt Dover is dead, and frankly, I don't really care if she is or isn't. It's difficult to prove, and there's very real people who have died from the vaccine. Lisa Shaw died from that injection - so why even talk about about Dover? Who cares?

Here, I'll start a new thread.

Tiffany is the human cannonball who never hit the net and never returned.

Onvacation says

PeopleUnited says

TIFF was not the first health care worker to get the poison injections.

She was the first person I know of that got jabbed, passed out on live stream, and then disappeared for two years.

PeopleUnited Do you think the jabs are safe and effective?

Nope. Not safe, nor effective. But making up stories about dead people who are actually still alive does disservice to all the people legitimately injured or killed by the jabs. And there are plenty of those. It’s best to tell their stories since it can be verified.

richwicks says

If the point was to prove the vaccine was safe and effective, they would have injected her with saline and make damned certain she didn't pass out.

Exactly, and they would have chosen a guinea pig for the fake vaxx that doesn’t have a history of fainting with vasovagal episodes.

The_Deplorable says

Not if the media does not report it. Remember, the Globalists and Big Pharma control the media.

Every single person in the hospital she works at, which is likely at least 1,000 people, would know she disappeared suddenly and was replaced with a body double.

Did they pay off the entire hospital? What about her kids and her husband? Do they like living with the new fake Tiff, or did they get replaced or paid off too? When do the replacements and payoffs become too much to contain the situation? Or is she still alive and the only thing that was faked was stories of her death?