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French media reported that his detention was related to an investigation opened into Telegram’s role in spreading child pornography and the platform’s alleged refusal to cooperate with authorities in cracking down.

French media reported that his detention was related to an investigation opened into Telegram’s role in spreading child pornography and the platform’s alleged refusal to cooperate with authorities in cracking down.

So, it's not a "free speech issue", rather a "refusal to release Epstein's clients list" issue.

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French media reported that his detention was related to an investigation opened into Telegram’s role in spreading child pornography and the platform’s alleged refusal to cooperate with authorities in cracking down.

So, it's not a "free speech issue", rather a "refusal to release Epstein's clients list" issue.

sure, i believe them…. NOT

in no small irony, pavel durov, the russian founder of the widely used text messaging system telegram, who fled russia to avoid interference in his business and the privacy of his users has been arrested. in france. because make no mistake, the EU has become the point of the spear on intrusive mandate that all media, social media, and communications must be subject to the state and to the supra-national groups that organize it. the EU has done nothing but push mandates for surveillance and censorship, for hate speech and “misinformation” which increasingly has come to mean “and facts we don’t like.”

he made the (extremely unwise) choice to allow his private jet to land in france for reasons unknown. i suspect there’s a story there as he’s not a fool and must have known what would happen.

the french cops swooped, he’s now jailed, and facing 20 years for the heinous crime of “allowing people to speak privately to one another in a manner the EU cannot readily surveil.”

governments have been pressuring him to allow their police and intelligence groups access for years.

the west has become what we used to vilify china and the soviets for.




durov has repeatedly said refused to censor and spy and moved to dubai to escape their reach because he wants to “run a neutral platform.”

those seeking free speech are being chased to dubai. dubai. seriously, let that one sink in for a moment.

but returning to the west resulted in the (however you say “gestapo” in french) snatching him and tossing him in prision. ...

this stands as the diametric opposite of the US idea of the US and section 230, “the 26 words that created the internet.”




... the US has obviously found lots of ways to flout 230 or pretend it’s all “friendly and consensual” in the sense of “get in line or we’ll destroy you” being a free choice among friends, but the EU is not even playing at innocent. they are outright saying “we rule here, do what we say, no questions, it’s the law.” ...

the same people who told you lock down, mask up, 6 feet apart, safe and effective, mostly peaceful, russian disinfo, and 400 other weapon’s grade whoppers want the right to decide what is “misinformation” and to censor it.

they claim you have no right to speak it.

it’s a pretty astonishing take.

“shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press;”

has become “unless we disagree with what you say.”

If Telegram plays ball, Pavel’s problems will magically disappear! All the platform need do is build a few government backdoors into the Telegram system, for safety, not for monitoring and censoring citizens, no, never.

It’s unusual for a corporation’s CEO to be arrested for crimes committed by others. Media calls it “unprecedented.” We can compare Pavel’s predicament with Mark Zuckerberg’s. Zuckerberg learned how to play ball in 2020, generously donated to Democrats, and, despite originally warning employees not to take the jabs, hired a battalion of security-state drones and built the government its own misinformation portal page during the pandemic.

Zuckerberg has never been detained, not even for the child pornography rings running rampant on Facebook. Nor detained for anything else, since he’s a good little deep-state doggie.

Other corporate bigwigs evade prosecution even for crimes they commit themselves. Take the pharmaceutical industry, for example, whose executives escape detention even after pleading guilty to literally killing people through fraud, like opioid maker Purdue Pharma, which just paid a fine (using money collected from customers) to the government.

Maybe Telegram should hire pharma lawyers. In any event, the French can only legally hold Pavel for 96 hours without charging him. So we’ll see the government’s next move soon.

In 1440, Johannes Gutenberg invented the printing press, which was pretty much a ponderous, inky mess for a while. Still, governments spent centuries trying to rein it back in. For example, in 1662, Great Britain passed “An Act for preventing the frequent Abuses in printing seditious treasonable and unlicensed Books and Pamphlets and for regulating of Printing and Printing Presses.”

The 1662 Act, which required citizens to purchase licenses to legally own and operate printing presses, was repeatedly extended and wasn’t repealed until 1863, even though it was initially supposed to be in effect for only two years.

The British government justified the 1662 Act by citing the circulation of disinformation that caused public panic and unrest (although they hadn’t yet invented that Orwellian term ‘disinformation’). You could quibble with comparing Telegram to the printing press, but you get the idea.

This is Neoliberal Fascism.

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The authorities also charged Durov with refusing to cooperate with investigations into illegal activity on Telegram. Paris prosecutor Laure Beccuau cited “an almost complete absence of response from Telegram to judicial demands.”

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Beccuau said Telegram had popped up repeatedly in investigations into child pornography, drug trafficking and inciting racial hatred online since the app’s launch in 2013. Other prosecutors around France and in other European countries noted the same trend when the Paris prosecutor consulted them, she said.

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What is clear is that Telegram isn’t like U.S. Big Tech companies, which employ armies of lawyers and government relations executives to respond to demands from law enforcement. For years, the company ignored subpoenas and court orders sent by authorities, which piled up in a rarely checked company email address, according to a person close to Durov.

Honey trap came in from the cold? Likely one of those DID Monarch Satanic Ritual Abuse agents put on the sex track.

https://t.me/drue86/58226

Politico ran an update story yesterday headlined, “France charges Telegram CEO Pavel Durov, releases him on €5M bail.” Telegram’s chief executive was indicted on six charges and must remain in France. He must report in person to a local police station two times a week.

Durov was charged with managing an online platform to “enable” illegal transactions and “complicity” with child pornography, drug trafficking, and “online hate.” He’s not been accused of doing any of those things himself or even knowing about them.

The article didn’t discuss why other platforms like Facebook aren’t also being investigated.

It’s not like there isn’t abundant evidence that Facebook is doing just what Telegram is accused of doing, but worse. In late December, New Mexico sued Facebook civilly (for money) but didn’t charge anyone criminally:

Facebook and Instagram content
enabled child sexual abuse, trafficking:
New Mexico lawsuit
PUBLISHED WED, DEC 6 2023

The Facebook suit doesn’t just allege illegal material on the platform. The lawsuit claims that Instagram and Facebook included features deliberately designed to hook children and contribute to a youth mental health crisis.

In fact, New Mexico’s Attorney General told the judge that the case was not about hosting content at all. Instead, it is about Meta actively and intentionally pushing illegal material—far beyond what Durov’s been accused of doing. Still, no criminal charges have been filed against Meta. And even New Mexico’s tepid civil lawsuit does not include the platform’s chief executive. In March, a New Mexico judge dismissed Facebook’s CEO from the lawsuit.

I can’t wait to find out why Telegram is different.

French Newspaper Claims Macron Tricked Durov With Dinner Invite to Facilitate His Arrest
Paul Joseph Watson
28th August 2024

Telegram CEO allegedly told Paris police meeting with French President was reason for visiting France.

French newspaper Le Canard Enchaine published a report claiming that Telegram CEO Pavel Durov was invited for a dinner by President Emmanuel Macron in order to trick him into being arrested. ...

Florian Philippot, leader of the Les Patriots Party, suggested that the dinner invite was a deliberate act of deception.

“Macron is perfectly capable of this kind of trickery, in order to fulfill the mission demanded by his masters: to put in jail all those who defend freedom of expression!” Philippot posted on X.

The arrest of Pavel Durov in France could be a turning point for free speech in the digital space, threatening to permanently cripple our understanding of privacy and its limits. Judging by media reports, the charges being readied against the Telegram founder appear to be less about his actions and more about controlling a platform known for its privacy protections.

The essence of the charges is that Telegram is allegedly being used for crimes including drug trafficking and child pornography, as well as hacking attacks. However, the same accusations could just as easily be brought against the creators of the iPhone and Android, since virtually no offense can be committed without using their products in one form or another. In a similar vein, it would be a good idea to ban the manufacture of small plastic bags because they are often used to sell drugs. This reminds us of the old question: Is the maker of a knife to blame if someone is stabbed to death with it? The answer is obvious — no, they are not. It is the perpetrator who is responsible for the crime, not the one who created the tools or technology that can be used for both legal and illegal purposes.

Pavel Durov, Telegram's founder, addressed his recent arrest in France and faces charges over claims he enabled illegal transactions and failed to assist law enforcement.

Durov, currently out on €5 million bail, says the French authorities have misunderstood the company’s efforts:

"Thanks everyone for your support and love!

Last month I got interviewed by police for 4 days after arriving in Paris. I was told I may be personally responsible for other people’s illegal use of Telegram, because the French authorities didn’t receive responses from Telegram.

This was surprising for several reasons:

1. Telegram has an official representative in the EU that accepts and replies to EU requests. Its email address has been publicly available for anyone in the EU who googles “Telegram EU address for law enforcement”.

2. The French authorities had numerous ways to reach me to request assistance. As a French citizen, I was a frequent guest at the French consulate in Dubai. A while ago, when asked, I personally helped them establish a hotline with Telegram to deal with the threat of terrorism in France.

3. If a country is unhappy with an internet service, the established practice is to start a legal action against the service itself. Using laws from the pre-smartphone era to charge a CEO with crimes committed by third parties on the platform he manages is a misguided approach. Building technology is hard enough as it is. No innovator will ever build new tools if they know they can be personally held responsible for potential abuse of those tools.

Establishing the right balance between privacy and security is not easy. You have to reconcile privacy laws with law enforcement requirements, and local laws with EU laws. You have to take into account technological limitations. As a platform, you want your processes to be consistent globally, while also ensuring they are not abused in countries with weak rule of law. We’ve been committed to engaging with regulators to find the right balance. Yes, we stand by our principles: our experience is shaped by our mission to protect our users in authoritarian regimes. But we’ve always been open to dialogue.

Sometimes we can’t agree with a country’s regulator on the right balance between privacy and security. In those cases, we are ready to leave that country. We've done it many times. When Russia demanded we hand over “encryption keys” to enable surveillance, we refused — and Telegram got banned in Russia. When Iran demanded we block channels of peaceful protesters, we refused — and Telegram got banned in Iran. We are prepared to leave markets that aren’t compatible with our principles, because we are not doing this for money. We are driven by the intention to bring good and defend the basic rights of people, particularly in places where these rights are violated.

All of that does not mean Telegram is perfect. Even the fact that authorities could be confused by where to send requests is something that we should improve. But the claims in some media that Telegram is some sort of anarchic paradise are absolutely untrue.

We take down millions of harmful posts and channels every day. We publish daily transparency reports (like this or this ). We have direct hotlines with NGOs to process urgent moderation requests faster.

However, we hear voices saying that it’s not enough. Telegram’s abrupt increase in user count to 950M caused growing pains that made it easier for criminals to abuse our platform. That’s why I made it my personal goal to ensure we significantly improve things in this regard. We’ve already started that process internally, and I will share more details on our progress with you very soon.

I hope that the events of August will result in making Telegram — and the social networking industry as a whole — safer and stronger. Thanks again for your love and memes."