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Telegram adds 25M users as founder Pavel Durov says people reject being “held hostage by tech monopolies”


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2021 Jan 13, 6:10pm   928 views  56 comments

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https://reclaimthenet.org/telegram-adds-25m-users/

Telegram is skyrocketing in growth, as people are suddenly waking up to the dangers of Big Tech monopolies.

“In the first week of January, Telegram surpassed 500 million monthly active users. After that it kept growing: 25 million new users joined Telegram in the last 72 hours alone,” Telegram founder Pavel Durov wrote today on his Telegram channel.

“People no longer want to exchange their privacy for free services. They no longer want to be held hostage by tech monopolies that seem to think they can get away with anything as long as their apps have a critical mass of users.”

The ongoing showdown that corporate media and Big Tech have stepped up to the maximum with the excuse that one incident – such as the several hours of unrest on US Capitol last Wednesday – can be used handily to stop free speech and open source, has left many users of apps like Telegram wondering just how far this purge will go.

This has become an especially hot topic after Parler, which was a thorn in the side of big media ever since November’s election in the US – got thoroughly deplatformed: first Apple and Google banned it from its stores with the pretext that it was responsible for, basically, allowing free speech (it otherwise guarantees it as the selling and differentiating point compared to the tightly policed and self-censored giant social networks). If that wasn’t enough, Amazon Web services also denied Parler hosting.


Can I install Telegram without going through the Apple app store?

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18   Ceffer   2024 Aug 25, 1:17pm  

I still think there is another movie and distraction going on here. Durov is presented as too much the 'genius wunderkind' (haven't we seen enough of this falsehood in all of the Western internet media apparatus, various dynastic bloodline kinder presented as lone, successful geniuses?) rather than an anointed princely figurehead for what is a multi layered tactical operation.

Maybe it is 'persecution theater' to do as Patrick said, enhance credibility amongst the 'truthers'.
19   Patrick   2024 Aug 25, 1:28pm  

This won't necessarily stop Apple, since they own the OS, but might be worth doing:



21   Patrick   2024 Aug 25, 7:09pm  

CEO of Rumble:


24   Ceffer   2024 Aug 25, 11:17pm  

Now, Pavel, write on the chalk board 3000 times: "Macron's handler, er, wife DOES NOT have a penis."

25   Patrick   2024 Aug 26, 11:34am  

https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/weirdness-monday-august-26-2024-c


If Telegram plays ball, Pavel’s problems will magically disappear! All the platform need do is build a few government backdoors into the Telegram system, for safety, not for monitoring and censoring citizens, no, never.

It’s unusual for a corporation’s CEO to be arrested for crimes committed by others. Media calls it “unprecedented.” We can compare Pavel’s predicament with Mark Zuckerberg’s. Zuckerberg learned how to play ball in 2020, generously donated to Democrats, and, despite originally warning employees not to take the jabs, hired a battalion of security-state drones and built the government its own misinformation portal page during the pandemic.

Zuckerberg has never been detained, not even for the child pornography rings running rampant on Facebook. Nor detained for anything else, since he’s a good little deep-state doggie.

Other corporate bigwigs evade prosecution even for crimes they commit themselves. Take the pharmaceutical industry, for example, whose executives escape detention even after pleading guilty to literally killing people through fraud, like opioid maker Purdue Pharma, which just paid a fine (using money collected from customers) to the government.

Maybe Telegram should hire pharma lawyers. In any event, the French can only legally hold Pavel for 96 hours without charging him. So we’ll see the government’s next move soon.

In 1440, Johannes Gutenberg invented the printing press, which was pretty much a ponderous, inky mess for a while. Still, governments spent centuries trying to rein it back in. For example, in 1662, Great Britain passed “An Act for preventing the frequent Abuses in printing seditious treasonable and unlicensed Books and Pamphlets and for regulating of Printing and Printing Presses.”

The 1662 Act, which required citizens to purchase licenses to legally own and operate printing presses, was repeatedly extended and wasn’t repealed until 1863, even though it was initially supposed to be in effect for only two years.

The British government justified the 1662 Act by citing the circulation of disinformation that caused public panic and unrest (although they hadn’t yet invented that Orwellian term ‘disinformation’). You could quibble with comparing Telegram to the printing press, but you get the idea.
26   Ceffer   2024 Aug 26, 11:04pm  

Ye old honey trappe. Really works a good bit of the time, but you would think that anybody in Pavel's position would have his dates checked out.

28   DOGEWontAmountToShit   2024 Aug 27, 8:15am  

Read this:



It's why Durov is in jail while Satoshi is not.

Not a good way to be a billionaire, tho.
32   AmericanKulak   2024 Aug 27, 4:09pm  

They grabbed him off the plane as he was refueling; he didn't even go through customs.

This is Neoliberal Fascism.
33   HeadSet   2024 Aug 27, 4:11pm  

AmericanKulak says

This is Neoliberal Fascism.

Just plain old Fascism.
34   Ceffer   2024 Aug 27, 4:35pm  

So, basically they are accusing him of using the monopolistic devices of the Intel agencies and monitoring entities deployed against the populations, but to allow free speech instead of spying and information tyranny.

Information and truth are commodities not to be wasted on the public, who are entitled only to monitored feedbags of propaganda and lies.
35   FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden   2024 Aug 27, 4:37pm  

DemocratsAreTotallyFucked says



original link



not democrats… uniparty, warparty, the totalitarian fascist state.
39   Ceffer   2024 Aug 27, 10:49pm  

Something strategic is going on for sure. Question is if it's a case of a pistol intended to backfire on the wielder of the gun.

https://t.me/sitreports/33723
41   Ceffer   2024 Aug 27, 11:17pm  

Honey trap came in from the cold? Likely one of those DID Monarch Satanic Ritual Abuse agents put on the sex track.

https://t.me/drue86/58226
46   RWSGFY   2024 Aug 28, 6:30pm  


The authorities also charged Durov with refusing to cooperate with investigations into illegal activity on Telegram. Paris prosecutor Laure Beccuau cited “an almost complete absence of response from Telegram to judicial demands.

...

Beccuau said Telegram had popped up repeatedly in investigations into child pornography, drug trafficking and inciting racial hatred online since the app’s launch in 2013. Other prosecutors around France and in other European countries noted the same trend when the Paris prosecutor consulted them, she said.

...

What is clear is that Telegram isn’t like U.S. Big Tech companies, which employ armies of lawyers and government relations executives to respond to demands from law enforcement. For years, the company ignored subpoenas and court orders sent by authorities, which piled up in a rarely checked company email address, according to a person close to Durov.


-- WSJ

https://apple.news/AhcTtOhj1Shq781d48_5QXA
47   RWSGFY   2024 Aug 28, 6:43pm  

Ceffer says

Honey trap came in from the cold? Likely one of those DID Monarch Satanic Ritual Abuse agents put on the sex track.

https://t.me/drue86/58226


Oh, the UAE ... a.k.a child-diddling Mooslims. Let them buy jets from
another pedo. This one:


48   RWSGFY   2024 Aug 28, 6:44pm  

Let's hear it from pedo apologists loud and clear, lol. Don't be shy!
49   Patrick   2024 Aug 29, 11:16am  

https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/kong-thursday-august-29-2024-c-and


Politico ran an update story yesterday headlined, “France charges Telegram CEO Pavel Durov, releases him on €5M bail.” Telegram’s chief executive was indicted on six charges and must remain in France. He must report in person to a local police station two times a week.

Durov was charged with managing an online platform to “enable” illegal transactions and “complicity” with child pornography, drug trafficking, and “online hate.” He’s not been accused of doing any of those things himself or even knowing about them.

The article didn’t discuss why other platforms like Facebook aren’t also being investigated.

It’s not like there isn’t abundant evidence that Facebook is doing just what Telegram is accused of doing, but worse. In late December, New Mexico sued Facebook civilly (for money) but didn’t charge anyone criminally:

Facebook and Instagram content
enabled child sexual abuse, trafficking:
New Mexico lawsuit
PUBLISHED WED, DEC 6 2023

The Facebook suit doesn’t just allege illegal material on the platform. The lawsuit claims that Instagram and Facebook included features deliberately designed to hook children and contribute to a youth mental health crisis.

In fact, New Mexico’s Attorney General told the judge that the case was not about hosting content at all. Instead, it is about Meta actively and intentionally pushing illegal material—far beyond what Durov’s been accused of doing. Still, no criminal charges have been filed against Meta. And even New Mexico’s tepid civil lawsuit does not include the platform’s chief executive. In March, a New Mexico judge dismissed Facebook’s CEO from the lawsuit.

I can’t wait to find out why Telegram is different.
50   Patrick   2024 Aug 30, 2:10pm  

https://modernity.news/2024/08/28/french-newspaper-claims-macron-tricked-durov-with-dinner-invite-to-facilitate-his-arrest/


French Newspaper Claims Macron Tricked Durov With Dinner Invite to Facilitate His Arrest
Paul Joseph Watson
28th August 2024

Telegram CEO allegedly told Paris police meeting with French President was reason for visiting France.

French newspaper Le Canard Enchaine published a report claiming that Telegram CEO Pavel Durov was invited for a dinner by President Emmanuel Macron in order to trick him into being arrested. ...

Florian Philippot, leader of the Les Patriots Party, suggested that the dinner invite was a deliberate act of deception.

“Macron is perfectly capable of this kind of trickery, in order to fulfill the mission demanded by his masters: to put in jail all those who defend freedom of expression!” Philippot posted on X.
51   Patrick   2024 Aug 31, 10:13pm  

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2024/08/28/by-taking-aim-at-telegram-france-puts-free-speech-in-the-crosshairs-a86179


The arrest of Pavel Durov in France could be a turning point for free speech in the digital space, threatening to permanently cripple our understanding of privacy and its limits. Judging by media reports, the charges being readied against the Telegram founder appear to be less about his actions and more about controlling a platform known for its privacy protections.

The essence of the charges is that Telegram is allegedly being used for crimes including drug trafficking and child pornography, as well as hacking attacks. However, the same accusations could just as easily be brought against the creators of the iPhone and Android, since virtually no offense can be committed without using their products in one form or another. In a similar vein, it would be a good idea to ban the manufacture of small plastic bags because they are often used to sell drugs. This reminds us of the old question: Is the maker of a knife to blame if someone is stabbed to death with it? The answer is obvious — no, they are not. It is the perpetrator who is responsible for the crime, not the one who created the tools or technology that can be used for both legal and illegal purposes.
52   Patrick   2024 Sep 6, 9:16am  

https://nitter.poast.org/MarioNawfal/status/1831803087444476130


Pavel Durov, Telegram's founder, addressed his recent arrest in France and faces charges over claims he enabled illegal transactions and failed to assist law enforcement.

Durov, currently out on €5 million bail, says the French authorities have misunderstood the company’s efforts:

"Thanks everyone for your support and love!

Last month I got interviewed by police for 4 days after arriving in Paris. I was told I may be personally responsible for other people’s illegal use of Telegram, because the French authorities didn’t receive responses from Telegram.

This was surprising for several reasons:

1. Telegram has an official representative in the EU that accepts and replies to EU requests. Its email address has been publicly available for anyone in the EU who googles “Telegram EU address for law enforcement”.

2. The French authorities had numerous ways to reach me to request assistance. As a French citizen, I was a frequent guest at the French consulate in Dubai. A while ago, when asked, I personally helped them establish a hotline with Telegram to deal with the threat of terrorism in France.

3. If a country is unhappy with an internet service, the established practice is to start a legal action against the service itself. Using laws from the pre-smartphone era to charge a CEO with crimes committed by third parties on the platform he manages is a misguided approach. Building technology is hard enough as it is. No innovator will ever build new tools if they know they can be personally held responsible for potential abuse of those tools.

Establishing the right balance between privacy and security is not easy. You have to reconcile privacy laws with law enforcement requirements, and local laws with EU laws. You have to take into account technological limitations. As a platform, you want your processes to be consistent globally, while also ensuring they are not abused in countries with weak rule of law. We’ve been committed to engaging with regulators to find the right balance. Yes, we stand by our principles: our experience is shaped by our mission to protect our users in authoritarian regimes. But we’ve always been open to dialogue.

Sometimes we can’t agree with a country’s regulator on the right balance between privacy and security. In those cases, we are ready to leave that country. We've done it many times. When Russia demanded we hand over “encryption keys” to enable surveillance, we refused — and Telegram got banned in Russia. When Iran demanded we block channels of peaceful protesters, we refused — and Telegram got banned in Iran. We are prepared to leave markets that aren’t compatible with our principles, because we are not doing this for money. We are driven by the intention to bring good and defend the basic rights of people, particularly in places where these rights are violated.

All of that does not mean Telegram is perfect. Even the fact that authorities could be confused by where to send requests is something that we should improve. But the claims in some media that Telegram is some sort of anarchic paradise are absolutely untrue.

We take down millions of harmful posts and channels every day. We publish daily transparency reports (like this or this ). We have direct hotlines with NGOs to process urgent moderation requests faster.

However, we hear voices saying that it’s not enough. Telegram’s abrupt increase in user count to 950M caused growing pains that made it easier for criminals to abuse our platform. That’s why I made it my personal goal to ensure we significantly improve things in this regard. We’ve already started that process internally, and I will share more details on our progress with you very soon.

I hope that the events of August will result in making Telegram — and the social networking industry as a whole — safer and stronger. Thanks again for your love and memes."
53   RWSGFY   2024 Sep 25, 8:13am  

"Turning like a rotisserie chicken"

LOL: https://x.com/InsiderEng/status/1838300547494875507
55   Patrick   2024 Oct 17, 5:10pm  




Whatever happened with Durov? Was he freed? Did he agree to the demand to install spyware in Telegram?
56   Patrick   2024 Dec 8, 9:54am  

He can't leave France, which has become his prison:

https://www.rt.com/news/608881-durov-first-questioning-court-france/


The billionaire was later released on bail of €5 million ($5.5 million), but has been barred from leaving France while his case is ongoing. Some of the charges against him could carry sentences of up to ten years. ...

Commenting in August on Durov’s detention, Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov highlighted the absurdity of holding the entrepreneur accountable for crimes committed using his network. Peskov quipped that Paris could use the same grounds to arrest the CEOs of Renault or Citroën, as terrorists use cars.


Actually, I think those carmaker CEOs are probably subject to similar pressure to put GPS trackers in all cars and to make cars remotely stoppable by whomever is really running homo-globo incorporated.

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