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Patrick says

How could that happen? There may be a lot of Eastern Europeans in South America now, but I don't think there are many South American Indians in Eastern Europe.

two possibilities...

A. Sweden had colonies in Caribbean and brought someone from there to Europe in 17th century, or, more likely
B. Eastern hunter gatherer genes - part of them went to N. Europe, part to Americas via N. Siberia

Maybe it's a mistake in the test. 23andme.com had me as 1% from some specific group in Siberia, can't remember the name now. But then later, they removed that, so hey, I'm no longer Asian now!

Patrick says

Maybe it's a mistake in the test. 23andme.com had me as 1% from some specific group in Siberia, can't remember the name now. But then later, they removed that, so hey, I'm no longer Asian now!

I wouldn't trust those tests at all. How could you ever prove they're not making it up? I'm sure they somewhat try to be accurate for the sake of lawsuits. But I'm guessing they throw in some random nationality or ethnicity that "surprises" you. Guess what you do, you then become a walking billboard and start telling everyone you're X% this after taking their test.

I have no proof that happens, but in my mind/world it almost certainly does. I notice I don't even see marketing for their tests or Ancestry. It was rampant advertising not too long ago.

Patrick says

Maybe it's a mistake in the test. 23andme.com had me as 1% from some specific group in Siberia, can't remember the name now. But then later, they removed that, so hey, I'm no longer Asian now!

Ancestry, 23nMe etc., all use micro array technology which is some 30 years old. I designed some of 23's chips and yes they aren't perfect. If you really want to know get your genome sequenced with something like illumina's NGS technology which is about 10 years old.

I can for instance show you the start and stop positions of the less than 1% African, E. Asian, SE Asian stretches of DNA in my chromosomes. I can't wait to get my reparations!

just_passing_through says

illumina's NGS technology

@just_passing_through,
do you know which company uses illumina's NGS technology?

Human Longevity in San Diego. They have a clinic called Health Nucleus. That's where I got my sequencing done when they had a special going on. You have to 'ask' for your fastq files (raw data) but they delivered mine on a hard drive. They also came with VCF files (variant calling format) which is processed data. Beyond that just about any outfit that is doing 'DNA Sequencing' these days as ILMN owns over 90% of the market.

I'm rooting for Pacific Biosciences to win out in the long run. They have long read technology which is harder to make work, but when they do will more accurate sequence difficult regions. It's hard to reassemble a genome in the locations where the DNA is repetitive. Stuff like ATATATATATATA etc..

just_passing_through says

Ancestry, 23nMe etc

I don't really see the purpose of all this.

If my great-great-great-great-x-x-x-x-x-uncle was related to the Duke of Earl, it doesn't make me more equal than anyone else in America.

John Kerry claims to be the descendant of the founder of Boston. What an embarrassment for such an aristocratic lineage.

Rin says

I don't really see the purpose of all this.

It certainly brings closure for some folks. Pretty amazing.
We never stop looking - Not even 55 years later
Jolaine Hemmy, the oldest the National Center for Missing & Exploited Children has ever resolved, was finally cracked thanks to scientific advancements over more than five decades.

Rin says

I don't really see the purpose of all this.

Because modern problems require modern solutions:

https://patrick.net/post/1338249/2021-02-25-dna-test-said-a-california-man-was-4-percent-black-now-he-wants-to-qualify-as-a-minority-business-owner

Rb6d says

Patrick says

How could that happen? There may be a lot of Eastern Europeans in South America now, but I don't think there are many South American Indians in Eastern Europe.

two possibilities...

A. Sweden had colonies in Caribbean and brought someone from there to Europe in 17th century, or, more likely
B. Eastern hunter gatherer genes - part of them went to N. Europe, part to Americas via N. Siberia

Mongolian hordes invalided Europe once.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongol_Empire

Stopped in Poland, of course:

Attila the Swede.

Lots of ongoing DNA research. Some of it from very old South American mummies show surprising overlap with some European DNA. Much is still not known about the world and its past civilizations, but it apparently isn't what we learned in school. Gobekli Tepe kind of blew the lid off of most traditional thinking about the age of enlightened civilizations, and migration patterns of ancient peoples are also being revised.

WookieMan says

How could you ever prove they're not making it up?

Mostly, it matches my family history, about half Irish, quarter Polish, quarter Jewish. They could not have known that without doing some other research into my background, which I'm pretty sure they didn't do.

But there are a few percent at the edges they keep changing.

Rin says

I don't really see the purpose of all this.

If my great-great-great-great-x-x-x-x-x-uncle was related to the Duke of Earl, it doesn't make me more equal than anyone else in America.

Well. It is sort of egotistical who can argue. However, I suspect you've got better lineage than that. I have uncles that are into genealogy (no science involved) who have accurately traced us back to William "the Conqueror" (formerly known as "the Bastard"), down through his sons, Edward I -> Edward II -> Edward III -> One of his sisters and then we fell off the royal line.

The thing is, I suspect there are maybe a 100 million people now that can say the same, many in the US. Not only that I could never figure this out with any sort of genetics science because excluding chromosome-Y (from daddy) and chromosome-M (from mommy/mitochondria/symbotic_parasites) after only 8 generations you're 9th generation back is completely bred-out.



On the other hand, using the pure male and female lineages I can trace my ancestry in general back 25-30K years and it's fun to read about migration patterns, old cultures etc. Also, genetic algorithms in general is my profession so it helps to keep sharp in between jobs. When you're designing an algorithm how much fun is it to use your own data!

Having that data processed into VCF files is helpful for the general public too. For instance when a new discovery is made people can just look things up in their VCF file. Sadly, those are only very accurate using ILMN tech for single dna letter changes:

acgtTacgt
acgtCacgt <- mutation

It doesn't work well for what we call structural variants. Where maybe a big chunk is deleted or inserted. Or chromosome-1 breaks in half and is joined with chromosomes-2 and 3. There are ways to do that sort of analysis already to some extent but we need better tech behind it, thus, Pacific Biosciences. There is also a lot of bias towards more accurate results with Caucasians but that's changing.

I think I saw you post about GWAS (genome wide association studies) which were supposed to be the panacea for health ~2010 and weren't. Well, if you're interested that's now being replaced by PRS (polygenic risk scores) which are better but still aren't the panacea. The ancestry stuff is generally done using a technique called Principle Component Analysis. Still lots of improvements coming along in the future!

EBGuy says

It certainly brings closure for some folks. Pretty amazing.
We never stop looking - Not even 55 years later
Jolaine Hemmy, the oldest the National Center for Missing & Exploited Children has ever resolved, was finally cracked thanks to scientific advancements over more than five decades.

I learned a friend of mine who lives in TX did the ancestry test and was matched with a half brother he didn't know existed in Spain. This is within the past few months. They've been chatting and he showed me the pictures. They look sooo much alike! Crazy stuff.

Ceffer says

Attila the Swede.

Lots of ongoing DNA research. Some of it from very old South American mummies show surprising overlap with some European DNA. Much is still not known about the world and its past civilizations, but it apparently isn't what we learned in school. Gobekli Tepe kind of blew the lid off of most traditional thinking about the age of enlightened civilizations, and migration patterns of ancient peoples are also being revised.

Another interesting one is the idea that South (and North) America weren't all that isolated from the rest of the world - there's abundant evidence of Polyenesian adventures to Eastern Island and the Pacific Coast.

If the Polynesians could reach Hawaii and Eastern Island, which vast stretches of Open Ocean between them and the Polynesian Heartland, there's absolutely no reason - in fact it's unlikely - they couldn't make the shorter hop to Chile/Peru coasts at the very least.

MisdemeanorRebel says

Another interesting one is the idea that South (and North) America weren't all that isolated from the rest of the world - there's abundant evidence of Polyenesian adventures to Eastern Island and the Pacific Coast.

If the Polynesians could reach Hawaii and Eastern Island, which vast stretches of Open Ocean between them and the Polynesian Heartland, there's absolutely no reason - in fact it's unlikely - they couldn't make the shorter hop to Chile/Peru coasts at the very least.

~300K years of unrecorded history... Lots of stuff underwater.

MisdemeanorRebel says

here's absolutely no reason - in fact it's unlikely - they couldn't make the shorter hop to Chile/Peru coasts at the very least.

they did reach S. America, and there is now genetic evidence + YAMS to prove that

just_passing_through says

using the pure male and female lineages I can trace my ancestry in general back 25-30K years and it's fun to read about migration patterns, old cultures etc

I love this kind of stuff too. I'm a R1b-L21 on my Y chromosome.

My next website is going to be a genealogy site. I hope to get it going by the end of this year.

I have a second cousin who was surprised with a nine year old daughter he didn't know he had by an old girlfriend. So he took care of her after that age, and I always wondered if the mother wasn't just lying and using him.

But then the daughter showed up on 23andme, related to me in just the right proportion for it all to be true. And it's nice to be certain she really is my cousin too.

I'm I1a2b on Y and I2c Mito..

Rb6d says

MisdemeanorRebel says

here's absolutely no reason - in fact it's unlikely - they couldn't make the shorter hop to Chile/Peru coasts at the very least.

they did reach S. America, and there is now genetic evidence + YAMS to prove that

Yup:

https://nypost.com/2020/07/09/study-shows-ancient-contact-between-polynesians-and-south-americans/

One of these women is oppressed due to skin color.

Robert Sproul says

One of these women is oppressed due to skin color.

This is true. I'd prefer Kate if I had to pick and choose one to fuck. I'm racist I guess.

clambo says

Meghan is insecure.
She thinks people are wondering about her race when they’re not.

I honestly had no idea she was a mulatto until she herself started peddling that race shit. I guess there is big money in being "oppressed".

Rin says

In order words, like MILLIONS of other Americans who're classified as white (Italy-to-Russia) or white-hispanic (Spanish speaking countries)

For the life of me, I can't make sense of it?!

I mean she's saying that she can't play black roles ... well, yes, she doesn't look like Angela Basset or Tina Turner.

But then, she complains about not playing white roles? How about playing A.O.C, Jennifer Lopez, or Sophia Loren (with a padded bra)?

She certainly can play Sicilians:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZUJKXs6W-4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ziARgiPnPx0

some meme's about the interview.

A little blackface, nose spreaders and an Afro wig will put Megan right into the zone to get all those tantalizing shoehorned Netflix black roles. If they give her a strap on, she can even fuck the white cheerleaders who ecstatically accept her ethnic wonderfulness for the new Great Socialist Globalist Heinz 57 Paradise.

just_passing_through says

I suspect you've got better lineage than that.

Considering that my dad is a jerk, my sister, a borderline personality disorder type, and my mom, depressed and in the rest home, I could careless if I'm related to Hannibal Lector on some other continent.

BuckFiden says

She certainly can play Sicilians:

That's why I added Sophia Loren to the list as she's Italian, though not from Sicily.

Patrick says

Rb6d says

MisdemeanorRebel says

here's absolutely no reason - in fact it's unlikely - they couldn't make the shorter hop to Chile/Peru coasts at the very least.

they did reach S. America, and there is now genetic evidence + YAMS to prove that

Yup:

https://nypost.com/2020/07/09/study-shows-ancient-contact-between-polynesians-and-south-americans/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVf3JUxFbJQ
You can check out this video explaining some contact from India to South america.

just_passing_through says

I'm I1a2b on Y and I2c Mito..

N-M231 on Y and U4d1 on mito.

Rin says

depressed and in the rest home

Interesting factoid: my relatives from U4d1 side have no depression, in fact no mental issues whatsoever other than being too aggressive when drunk. Supposedly, U4 has protection against Parkinson's disease and psychiatric disorders such as schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, and major depressive disorder, which checks out.

Rin says

Considering that my dad is a jerk, my sister, a borderline personality disorder type, and my mom, depressed and in the rest home, I could careless if I'm related to Hannibal Lector on some other continent.

We're like brothers!

Rb6d says

N-M231 on Y

Hey, you're Asian:



https://www.dailybhutan.com/article/prevailing-belief-about-the-ancestry-of-the-bhutanese-people-debunked-after-research-done-by-professor-van-driem

just_passing_through says

I'm I1a2b

A Scandavian, most likely:

https://pagesix.com/2021/03/14/meghan-markle-reportedly-planning-to-run-for-us-president/

Meghan Markle is reportedly already networking with senior Democrats to help her ambitions to become the first female US president.

The Duchess of Sussex previously told friends about her political ambitions — and now hopes her blockbuster Oprah Winfrey interview will strengthen support in the US, sources told the Mail on Sunday newspaper.

Any publicity is good publicity, no matter how self-centered and stupid.

Hole Lee Shiite Muslims!

https://babylonbee.com/news/woman-who-thought-being-a-princess-was-too-hard-plans-to-run-for-president

Patrick says

https://babylonbee.com/news/woman-who-thought-being-a-princess-was-too-hard-plans-to-run-for-president

She looks like she has some African in her DNA.

But who the fuck beside racists even care.

"The Brown Girl, Steeleye Span"
https://youtu.be/YfmTxbG9yYk