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The decline of Goa's Christian population, almost all of them Catholics, should not come as a surprise because even during the Portuguese colonial days (1510-1961) the slide was evident. Worrisome however, is the quantum of decline: Catholics, who were 64 percent against 35 percent Hindus in the 1851 census, have been reduced to 25 percent compared to Hindus, who now make up 67 percent of Goa's population today.

I think a lot of them are leaving India and going to the West.

I went to school with one Indian from Goa, and worked with another. My waiter in Palo Alto a week ago was also from Goa.

Sure, that's only three, but they are a tiny minority in India (0.0003 as a fraction of the Indian population), so to meet three in the US seems unlikely unless many of them are coming here.

Patrick says

I think a lot of them are leaving India and going to the West.

I went to school with one Indian from Goa, and worked with another. My waiter in Palo Alto a week ago was also from Goa.

Sure, that's only three, but they are a tiny minority in India (0.0003 as a fraction of the Indian population), so to meet three in the US seems unlikely unless many of them are coming here.

It is true. Bharat is ruined by Hindooo corrupt cult.
Nobody wants to live there, The ones come here to argue in its favor are also living in west.

West won and Bharat lost.
Let us see what happens between West and China, Chinese are more practical in some sense compared to Hindooos, So they have chance to beat West.
It is a great competition of future and hopefully Chinese don't kill us cheaply using wokeness pill.

Patrick says

I think a lot of them are leaving India and going to the West.

I went to school with one Indian from Goa, and worked with another. My waiter in Palo Alto a week ago was also from Goa.

Sure, that's only three, but they are a tiny minority in India (0.0003 as a fraction of the Indian population), so to meet three in the US seems unlikely unless many of them are coming here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nEseljBZ-c

I think all these catholics should be kicked out of Goa for what they did to hindus there. This dumb election2020 is supporting the oppressor and still talks that sikhs support the oppressed. People were converted just 4 centuries back so it is reverting back I think. Just like Hawaiians fight to save their culture.

indc says

Patrick says

I think a lot of them are leaving India and going to the West.

I went to school with one Indian from Goa, and worked with another. My waiter in Palo Alto a week ago was also from Goa.

Sure, that's only three, but they are a tiny minority in India (0.0003 as a fraction of the Indian population), so to meet three in the US seems unlikely unless many of them are coming here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nEseljBZ-c

I think all these catholics should be kicked out of Goa for what they did to hindus there. This dumb election2020 is supporting the oppressor and still talks that sikhs support the oppressed. People were converted just 4 centuries back so it is reverting back I think. Just like Hawaiians fight to save their culture.

Its already happening. The condition of minorities is horrible as Hindoo is intolerant.
I think when west point that out, You start crying "Hindooophobia".

Are you saying Hindoo is oppressed in Bharat?... and Sikhs should support them while they perpetrate all sorts of criminal acts against minorities out of power?

I know Israelis like India because they don't feel anyone hates them there. So lots of Israelis go on vacation in India.

Of course the Pakis who slaughtered all those people in Bombay also made a point of going to the Jewish community center and killing people there as well.

But hey, that's Islam for ya.

I think Israelis do like to travel everywhere including India.
Based on my understanding Israelis are conflicted as they may think Hindooo against common Islamic enemy, But at the same time Hindooo have love affair with Hitler.
No real Jew would have positive sentiments about "Hitler lovers".

Israelis are also good businessmen and they could sell lot of their military junk to India and been doing it for while.

indc says

I think all these catholics should be kicked out of Goa for what they did to hindus there.

Well, the Portuguese (Catholics) broke up the Muslim monopoly on Indian Ocean trade, including Goa as a major port city on the coast. During most of Portuguese rule of Goa, Hindus kept flocking to Goa due to relatively better governance and higher living standards; aka voting by the feet.

Did Portuguese practice some degree of racial preference during their rule? Perhaps they did, but the opportunities they gave the Hindus were more than the opportunities that Hindus had under Hindu ruled neighboring areas. Furthermore, Portuguese did not advocate "kick out all Hindus" like you are advocating what should be done to Catholics. The ironies is that while today's West is obsessed with ancient-past white racism, much of the other populations on the planet are actually far more racist! Furthermore, white racism was never deliberately exterminationist (partly because white colonialists were interested in trade and dominating trade routes, which meant having to have locals working under that system) whereas many brands of racism advocated by the allegedly formerly "oppressed people" are actually exterminationist! i.e. killing all whites. That has been evident as early as the Sepoy Rebellion in the 1860's: the local "oppressed people" had/have no qualms about killing (and raping before killing) all white women and children! It is precisely this tendency that is forcing the people of Goa to leave. In other words, what Hindu nationalists are doing to Goa is genocide and "ethnic-cleansing," precisely as you are advocating.

Reality says

indc says

I think all these catholics should be kicked out of Goa for what they did to hindus there.

Well, the Portuguese (Catholics) broke up the Muslim monopoly on Indian Ocean trade, including Goa as a major port city on the coast. During most of Portuguese rule of Goa, Hindus kept flocking to Goa due to relatively better governance and higher living standards; aka voting by the feet.

Did Portuguese practice some degree of racial preference during their rule? Perhaps they did, but the opportunities they gave the Hindus were more than the opportunities that Hindus had under Hindu ruled neighboring areas. Furthermore, Portuguese did not advocate "kick out all Hindus" like you are advocating what should be done to Catholics. The ironies is that while today's West is obsessed with ancient-past white racism, much of the other populations on the planet are actually far more racist! Furtherm...

Hindoo is cancerous cult and must be terminated to free Bhartis from it.
Here is the Irony:
Not just Goa, But Hindooos are flocking Pourtgal while advocating "catholic expulsion".
Double Irony is the guy sitting in Judeo-Christian country like USA is calling for it.
Hindoo should be banned from west as It is going to make immigrants look bad with their intolerance.

https://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Sikhism_in_Portugal
Sikhs in Portugal are a small minority. They make a part of the 60,000 strong Indian community in Portugal. There are between 6,000 and 7,000 Sikhs in the country.

Sikhs have Gurudwara in heart of Roman Catholicism, So in spite of Hindoo instigating that some Sikhs convert in Panjab to Christianity, It is their choice and failure of Sikh leaders.
If someone can be converted by own will, It is his personal choice.
If "greed" makes him become Christian from Sikhi, Then modern Sikhi failed as our gurus preferred to die than to convert.
If Christians try to convert by force, they will face same what Mughals faced at hands of Sikhs.
https://igurudwara.com/gurudwara-gurunanak-darvar-roma-2/

https://www.thebetterindia.com/96098/breakfast-for-600-people-from-101-nationalities-heres-how-a-uae-gurdwara-set-a-world-record/
Breakfast for 600 People From 101 Nationalities. Here’s How a UAE Gurdwara Set a World Record!

Not all muslims are cut from same cloth(Example Sufis,kurdish,Yezidi etc.)
Hindooo and ISIS/Wahabi(Both have same origins into Turkic thugs) are the problem.. Not Muslim or Bhartis.

election2020 says

Not all muslims are cut from same cloth(Example Sufis,kurdish,Yezidi etc.)

Sure, there are many Muslims who are very tolerant, but this is only because they are being bad Muslims. The religion itself demands that they take over the earth and exterminate all opposition. It's a bad religion. They people themselves are not necessarily bad. Mostly, they were just born into it.

Why don't I like Islam? Because I see the terrorism committed by Muslims. https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/attacks/attacks.aspx?Yr=Last30 This gives me a very bad feeling about Islam.

Muslim hatred of others is also driven by existential fears. They fear going to hell forever if they do not exactly follow Islam and its commandments to murder unbelievers.

Note that the Yezidis are definitely not Muslim, and have in the last decade been slaughtered and raped in large numbers by very sincere Muslims, exactly because of Islam.

Reality says

the opportunities they gave the Hindus were more than the opportunities that Hindus had under Hindu ruled neighboring areas

I agree, this was a big motivating force for conversion. "Join us and you will do better in life." And the Portuguese were indeed rich at the time, so they had a compelling argument.

https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-us-canada-15236154
Life as an Italian American Sikh female taxi driver in NYC

There are many catholics who have converted to Sikhi. So it is both way street and "personal freedom" should always be respected.
If Sikhi becomes as insecure as Islam and Hindooo.. then it is not Sikhi anymore.

election2020 says

"personal freedom" should always be respected.

This is why I have some admiration for Sikhism. You can join, you can leave, you can even insult their religion, and they will not try to kill you for it.

I visited the Fremont Gurdwara http://fremontgurdwara.org/ with a Sikh friend and met a white guy who had converted. He was happy with his choice and explained it to me, but did not try to pressure me at all to convert.

Patrick says

election2020 says

"personal freedom" should always be respected.

This is why I have some admiration for Sikhism. You can join, you can leave, you can even insult their religion, and they will not try to kill you for it.

I visited the Fremont Gurdwara http://fremontgurdwara.org/ with a Sikh friend and met a white guy who had converted. He was happy with his choice and explained it to me, but did not try to pressure me at all to convert.

I agree with everything except which I am not too sure:
"you can even insult their religion"

Many people have ended up dead or in hospitals when they didn't stop after warning.

Well, that would be a flaw with Sikhism in my opinion then.

One reason Christianity spread well was that Christians took being insulted and mocked as something Jesus wanted them to do to show their faith.

Blessed are ye when men shall revile you and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely for My sake.

https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/Matthew%205%3A11

I'm not particularly Christian myself, but I admire that aspect of Christianity.

Patrick says

Well, that would be a flaw with Sikhism in my opinion then.

One reason Christianity spread well was that Christians took being insulted and mocked as something Jesus wanted them to do to show their faith.

Blessed are ye when men shall revile you and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely for My sake.

https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/Matthew%205%3A11

I'm not particularly Christian myself, but I admire that aspect of Christianity.

Sometimes flaws are due to need.
This likely is only way to survive for marginalized minority.
Christians are big part of world and mostly majority in many countries unlike Sikhs.

But Christians started out very small, just a few people. They were a marginalized minority.

I think Christianity spread because it is hard to argue with people who refuse to become offended when you insult them. They win the moral high ground right there.

Patrick says

But Christians started out very small, just a few people. They were a marginalized minority.

I think Christianity spread because it is hard to argue with people who refuse to become offended when you insult them. They win the moral high ground right there.

Sikhs didn't start that way, They had to defend themselves from beginning and either they had to fight or give up beliefs.
Christianity spread is also due to emphasis to "proselytize" . I am not sure if it was from start.
Sikhs on the other hand accepted all religions are good and anybody can chose their path.(I do hear some Christians say that Jesus is only path).

True, Christians feel they are obligated to at least try to convert everyone.

They also "had to" defend themselves, but did not! (At least not at first.) Their willingness to let themselves be murdered rather than give up their beliefs was kind of the "secret sauce" that led to mass conversions. They demonstrated absolute belief, even to death.

So when the Romans were murdering Christians for sport in the Colosseum, they didn't realize that these big public shows of Christians going to their deaths was actually spreading the religion.

Not that I recommend going that far. If Sikhs are physically attacked, they should defend themselves. But Sikhs would look better if they showed themselves above responding to mere insults with violence.

Patrick says

True, Christians feel they are obligated to at least try to convert everyone.

They also "had to" defend themselves, but did not! (At least not at first.) Their willingness to let themselves be murdered rather than give up their beliefs was kind of the "secret sauce" that led to mass conversions. They demonstrated absolute belief, even to death.

So when the Romans were murdering Christians for sport in the Colosseum, they didn't realize that these big public shows of Christians going to their deaths was actually spreading the religion.

Not that I recommend going that far. If Sikhs are physically attacked, they should defend themselves. But Sikhs would look better if they showed themselves above responding to mere insults with violence.

Its not a point about what will look good. In difficult situation you revert to natural instinct.
Sikhs natural instinct is "Your way is as good as mine, Don't interfere in my way".
Christians is "My way is better, Insult me or do whatever but accept my way in end".

It is fundamental difference of approaching at things.
If you look closely "Sikhs are much closer to US constitution than Christianity for their fierce respect for individual freedom".

Patrick says

I know Israelis like India because they don't feel anyone hates them there. So lots of Israelis go on vacation in India.

They have had a good diplomatic relationship since 1950.

IDF people finishing their military obligation like going to goa in particular because of the rave scene

https://www.amazon.com/Sikh-Caucus-Siege-Surrender-Washington/dp/B08ZDFPH7X
Hindooo corruption!

Siks were saved by Hindus twice from extinction.

1) 1600s , almost all sikhs are converts from Hindus. 4 Hindus fought along with 1 sikh against Muslim rulers to protect them.

2) 1945-47 most Sikhs were killed in Pakistan, but remaining were saved by India.
https://youtu.be/p9_XvNNoFGQ

There are tons of Christians, most English schools are run by Christians. Steady growth all over. Yes there are instances of fight if forceful conversation and sometimes Muslims kill Christians there.

Overall most tolerant country religion wise, even to Muslims who have done many mass killings.

Election2020 you behave very suspiciously man.

Patrick says

So when the Romans were murdering Christians for sport in the Colosseum, they didn't realize that these big public shows of Christians going to their deaths was actually spreading the religion.

All and all, the average Roman didn't care about Christianity back in the days. It's not like Nero (& other leaders like him which followed), had masses of clerics converting ppl to Islam and slaughtering Yazidis, Buddhists, etc, in the name of Allah & his final prophet.

I'm sure if the head(s) of every Praetorian Guard saw Christianity as a true threat to the Empire, it would have been eradicated during Paul's time, as the Praetorian Guard was the supreme military cohort within the Italian peninsula.

This is the difference; the older Roman religions lost popularity to the newer one.

And finally, while I'm not completely in accordance with election2020, he's got a point. The Sikhs do need to fight back in some way.

Just look at the Assamese diaspora, these ppl have lost their home country and for all intensive purposes, can't even say that they're true Indian-Americans, Indian-Canadians, or Indian-Britishers because that left side of the hyphenation, has excluded them from their grandparents' homeland due to the Nehru-ites coddling Islam-A-Badists from Bangladesh. In another 50 years, the one medieval South Asian nation which both, defeated Islam (the Moghuls w/ Babur & Akbar) while at the same time, outlawed the dowry bride burning of mainland India, will have vanished from the face of the earth before the 22nd century.

So if the Sikhs have some fight in them, let 'em fight! They're the hope against Islam-A-Badism and its stranglehold on mainland India.

KgK one says

Siks were saved by Hindus twice from extinction.

1) 1600s , almost all sikhs are converts from Hindus. 4 Hindus fought along with 1 sikh against Muslim rulers to protect them.

2) 1945-47 most Sikhs were killed in Pakistan, but remaining were saved by India.
https://youtu.be/p9_XvNNoFGQ

There are tons of Christians, most English schools are run by Christians. Steady growth all over. Yes there are instances of fight if forceful conversation and sometimes Muslims kill Christians there.

Overall most tolerant country religion wise, even to Muslims who have done many mass killings.

Hindoo thug, For Hindooo as Sikhs , Move to This thread:
https://www.patrick.net/post/1338554/2021-03-23-christains-are-jews-muslims-are-pagans-

1947: Were deliberate Riots created by British to teach Panjab/Bengal lesson for their revolt against British empire in Second World war.
Hindooo saved Sikhs my ass. Hindooo were begging for Sikhs to save their woman and religion for centuries.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guru_Tegh_Bahadur
https://medium.com/@onkarbattu/releasing-of-hindu-and-muslim-girls-from-ahmed-shah-abdali-77f1928c2a2f
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guru_Arjan

Hindoo is rape/riot cult and only good at killing innocents and not saving them. Hindoo cult was created by Turkic invaders to kiss their ass and oppress Bhartis.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1984_anti-Sikh_riots

Fortwaynemobile says

Election2020 you behave very suspiciously man.

You must be Hindooo or some of your body cells having similar qualities to find truth suspicious!

Rin says

Patrick says

So when the Romans were murdering Christians for sport in the Colosseum, they didn't realize that these big public shows of Christians going to their deaths was actually spreading the religion.

All and all, the average Roman didn't care about Christianity back in the days. It's not like Nero (& other leaders like him which followed), had masses of clerics converting ppl to Islam and slaughtering Yazidis, Buddhists, etc, in the name of Allah & his final prophet.

I'm sure if the head(s) of every Praetorian Guard saw Christianity as a true threat to the Empire, it would have been eradicated during Paul's time, as the Praetorian Guard was the supreme military cohort within the Italian peninsula.

This is the difference; the older Roman religions lost popularity to the newer one.

And finally, while I'm not completely in accordance with election2020, he's go...

Yes It is hard life for Minorities to survive in south Asia.
ISIS/Hindooo are like cancer and they want to kill good cells.
But In the end Cancer is fatal!

https://www.cp24.com/news/man-charged-after-hate-motivated-attacks-against-asian-victims-in-markham-1.5360306

Hindoo hate crimes in Canada!
How long before terrorist Hindooo cult is expelled?

An Indian Hindu (Arjun Choudhari) is charged for hate crimes against Asians
"He is facing six charges, including assault with a weapon, three counts of assault and two counts of criminal harassment."
The growing threat of #Hindutva in
#StopAsianHate
#StopAAPIHate
https://twitter.com/PSGrewal2/status/1374786253166686219

Hindooo bringing their "dirty divide and rule" caste politics to west.
How long west wait before deportations start?
Australia is ahead in the game and they have already start sending hindooo filthies back.

https://twitter.com/PSGrewal2/status/1376180508036632581
The organizers of this rally are showing their true colors. It was never about celebrating Indo-Canadian relations, but more about provoking the Sikh community

@patrickbrownont
@PeelPolice
@ChiefNish
need to step in.

#FarmersrProtest #BurnFarmLawsOnHoli
#Brampton #Hindutva

https://twitter.com/CaptCanuck6/status/1375935050194255874

If the Sikh brain got hot, These "hate mongers" will be crushed like a punjabi chutney.
Sikhs both in Bharat and west are showing restrain as goal is to show Hindooo filth to the world.
I hope they keep cool and let Hindoo be exposed, But knowing Sikhs, Some Modi Hindooos will be crushed and they will make big noise everywhere.
All the Bhartis are in support of farmers.(Hindoo is progeny of dirty turkic hate cult and sibling of ISIS, They should be expelled from Bharat and prosecuted for crimes)

This is the head of team hired by Hindooo government to spread hate against Sikhs in Canada.

Hindooo cult is truly pathetic:

https://mobile.twitter.com/tash_kmb/status/1368623354907795460