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mell says

I remember when 10% was average service, 15% good service, and 20% outstanding service (0% was bad service/experience). And delivery was always 5% to the driver.

and no tip on take-out food.

Spot on....in other countries they dont even tip at all. If you are in the service industry and want more for doing less, maybe its time to get a real job. You shouldnt make serving people at a restaurant your life long career and bet on people tipping more for less. Back in the day, being a server was meant to be a short term gig while getting your degree.

Bitcoin says

richwicks says

I agree that Bitcoin is also full of crap

That's not nice....we just have different opinions on things....

I'm not attempting to be unkind, or kind. In my assessment, I'm simply being factual. You don't engage in honest discussion and I've repeatedly demonstrated this to my satisfaction. I will only continue talking with you to demonstrate it to others.

For example, you just said this, again - the underscore and bold is mine.

Bitcoin says

I dont believe the US government preps buildings for implosion and kills thousands of americans.....i believe the opposite. We leave no man behind no matter how badly insured.

I've already addressed this incorrect "belief" in a response to you - you simply ignored that you are demonstrably wrong:

richwicks says

Bitcoin says

If you believe the US government would kill its own people you should join the jihadists.

Well the US government sure didn't have a fucking problem with killing off JFK, doing the Tuskegee Trials, doing Project MKUltra, or letting people die at the US Consulate in Benghazi Libya. Certainly didn't have a problem ordering police to stand down, and let BLM and Antifa burn, loot, and murder for 8 months. Funny that all just went away after Joe Biden was "elected" isn't it? Well, they were part of US intelligence operations, although I'm absolutely certain (well know for a fact) that most of the useful idiots don't realize they were. See? You don't have to realize you're part of a conspiracy to be part of a conspiracy.

You simply repeat the same statement, and ignore that I've even addressed what I consider your incorrect "opinion", an "opinion" I'm certain you are well aware is incorrect. You've taken no issue with very clearly documented examples of where innocent US citizens were victimized and abandoned by the US federal government. Of course the US government sacrifices its citizens to promote agendas. Clearly they do, but you ignore that fact, and simply reiterate your statement that the US federal government wouldn't allow innocent civilians to die to promote an agenda. They have.

Reasonably, I do not believe you are engaging in a sincere conversation. Mindlessly repeating the same thing as if your statement hasn't been at all challenged, that's what propagandists and trolls do - and in reality, they don't differ much - just one is stupid enough to work for free.

mell says

I've known many waitresses who deliberately put off any "higher" education because they made $200k+ during the good years easily

Complete and utter bullshit.

WineHorror1 says

mell says

I've known many waitresses who deliberately put off any "higher" education because they made $200k+ during the good years easily

Complete and utter bullshit.

On the contrary, many SF downtown bars/restaurants with at least a slight uspcale feeling could easily yield $200k for servers (esp. female), of course that was before the covidiotic shutdowns when life was buzzing. You don't have to believe it but they will tell you it's true. One of my friends deliberately postponed law school for more than 5 years to keep waitressing, and counting back then. You may not get this outside of coastal elite territory, but I've seen braggars and rick fucks tip her $50 on a $100 bill time and time again, and occasionally more than the "principal". Most of that money is not taxed since you're averaged at 10% tips, for a resonably attractive and friendly waitress tips are easily 30%-50% if not more. Can only speak for SF bay area of course, but you better believe it. The area is flush with tech multi-millionaires, now moreso than ever, they just can't spend it locally cause of the covidiot shutdowns. By the way the guys hailing you cabs at the big Vegas casinos make $250k in a slow year. Just because one doesn't have or need an education doesn't mean they can't make money (much better than a degree in genderquack).

richwicks says

You're not paid minimum wage.

Look, if you cannot afford the tip, you can't afford to go out to eat.

Many people in food service make little in wage and most in tips. I knew a young lady who made over $200 a night in tips for a 4 hour shift at an upscale SF restaurant while paid a very low "tipped wage". She was working her way through college.

Some people make bad life choices and then pay for it in menial jobs. I have always said to young people, "The harder you work now, the less hard you will have to work later".

That guy standing on his feet in a mask bagging your food and taking your money for 8 hours a shift is probably making minimal wage. At the end of the shift they get to split what ever goes in the tip jar with the cook. A buck in the bucket will show them that they are appreciated. They work hard and are preparing your food.

mell says

Patrick to a few glasses of wine for providing excellent SERVICE for his website.

HERE! HERE! (or is it HEAR! HEAR! perhaps HEAR HERE?) anyway @patrick should add a tip jar so we can buy him a beer.

Excellent service should be rewarded!

mell says

I've worked plenty of minimum or close to minimum wage jobs in my younger years, never expected any tips, esp. if I didn't render any services beyond what was agreed upon in the initial (low)-wage contract.

I've been lucky. Never had to work retail or food service. My first job was sweeping floors and cleaning toilets at the local bowling alley. Got paid a sandwich and a couple of bucks in quarters under the table so I could play pinball and pool when I was done.

The owner of this little 8 alley place noticed I had a mechanical aptitude so he taught me how to fix and maintain the pinsetters. That led to many other mechanical jobs including working on nuclear submarines for the DoD before I became a smuggler to put myself through college.

Never earned tips.

Ceffer says

Does Bitcoin quack?

no

Onvacation says

mell says

I've worked plenty of minimum or close to minimum wage jobs in my younger years, never expected any tips, esp. if I didn't render any services beyond what was agreed upon in the initial (low)-wage contract.

I've been lucky. Never had to work retail or food service. My first job was sweeping floors and cleaning toilets at the local bowling alley. Got paid a sandwich and a couple of bucks in quarters under the table so I could play pinball and pool when I was done.

The owner of this little 8 alley place noticed I had a mechanical aptitude so he taught me how to fix and maintain the pinsetters. That led to many other mechanical jobs including working on nuclear submarines for the DoD before I became a smuggler to put myself through college.

Never earned tips.

I'm not saying serving/waitressing isn't a hard job, it's pretty tough, but then again, I'd say being a cook in a greasy unventilated kitchen is far more brutal and unhealthy. I used to delver "free" "newspapers" with ads nobody wanted (except for a few old folks), did care and entertainment (close to a nurse job) for old/disabled people (in the most hardcore cases incl. changing diapers) and/or cleaning their homes and/or cooking for them, etc. etc. All for a relative pittance. Didn't get many "tips", some of the old and disabled people were so dissatisfied with their life that they let their anger out on those helping them, how's that for tips. Just don't expect me to shed a tear for waiters and bartenders, it's a service job like many others, but likely a more interesting/desirable one as you get to meet a lot of people, even if the base pay is low.

Onvacation says

I've been lucky. Never had to work retail or food service. My first job was sweeping floors and cleaning toilets at the local bowling alley.

Yuck, sweeping floors and cleaning toilets.....i wouldnt call this lucky onvacation.

I worked hard during college too.....I worked for Daimler Benz in Untertuerkheim (night shift and weekends).....that was big money and tax free as a student in germany.

richwicks says

I've already addressed this incorrect "belief" in a response to you - you simply ignored that you are demonstrably wrong:

Wrong....I just continue to believe something else. Just because we dont agree doesnt mean you are right.
If we send a team of highly skilled navy seals to take down a muslim terrorist leader in the middle east and one or two guys get injured we move mountains to bring these guys home.
It's totally fine if you dont believe me.

Bitcoin says

Onvacation says

I've been lucky. Never had to work retail or food service. My first job was sweeping floors and cleaning toilets at the local bowling alley.

Yuck, sweeping floors and cleaning toilets.....i wouldnt call this lucky onvacation.

I worked hard during college too.....I worked for Daimler Benz in Untertuerkheim (night shift and weekends).....that was big money and tax free as a student in germany.

I know that Daimler plant - college roommate used to work there too.

Onvacation says

mell says

Patrick to a few glasses of wine for providing excellent SERVICE for his website.

HERE! HERE! (or is it HEAR! HEAR! perhaps HEAR HERE?) anyway @patrick should add a tip jar so we can buy him a beer.

Excellent service should be rewarded!

Well shucks, I appreciate the compliment.

The site is really a labor of love. I do it because I think people really need a place separate from the tech tyrants where they can speak.

After I retire on Friday, I'll have a lot more time to fix bugs, and meet up for a drink somewhere.

Don't be a douche bag and not tip though ;) These aren't normal times and people working at sit down restaurants are broke, especially in a state like CA that is poorly run. I don't care about past times. This is 1,000% different.

I guess from this thread being a decent human is done. I can live with that, but my judgement won't change. If you're too poor to tip because you have to pick up your own food because the government shuts a restaurant down you like, you're the problem in America. You should support fellow Americans that are small business owners and their employees. And if you can't afford a measly tip, maybe stop eating out and put gas in the car to get a job. That's always an option.

And I get tipping like Americans do is not normal in the rest of the world. The reason? Everyone else and other countries are selfish ass holes. There's a reason the world wars started in Europe. Go to Mexico and tip a little bit. You'll be treated like royalty as the Europeans bitch about service because they think they "deserve" good service just for showing up.

I think some of you guys need to get out of CA from time to time. Not move, but go somewhere else and learn reality. You're not living it.

mell says

While we're at it - what's with all the restaurants and their apps setting the minimum tippable percentage to 20%, 25% and 30% (few have 18% as minimum),

Another reason not to use apps.

Booger says

mell says

While we're at it - what's with all the restaurants and their apps setting the minimum tippable percentage to 20%, 25% and 30% (few have 18% as minimum),

Another reason not to use apps.

Or you can use cash. Or swipe a card and pay 10%. Or 5%. Just don't be the cheap ass that won't pay people willing to work during a supposed pandemic.

I've never understood people that are anti-tipping. If you can't afford it, just don't go out to eat or have people make food for you. It's not complicated. Clearly you cannot afford it if you can't throw someone $10-20. It's not complex.

Patrick says

Onvacation says

mell says

Patrick to a few glasses of wine for providing excellent SERVICE for his website.

HERE! HERE! (or is it HEAR! HEAR! perhaps HEAR HERE?) anyway @patrick should add a tip jar so we can buy him a beer.

Excellent service should be rewarded!

Well shucks, I appreciate the compliment.

The site is really a labor of love. I do it because I think people really need a place separate from the tech tyrants where they can speak.

After I retire on Friday, I'll have a lot more time to fix bugs, and meet up for a drink somewhere.

@Patrick Are you going to the SF office Friday for the last day?

WookieMan says

These aren't normal times and people working at sit down restaurants are broke

You seem to know a lot about the financial situation of servers. Are you a waiter?

mell says

Are you going to the SF office Friday for the last day?

I actually don't know yet how that will work.

Patrick says

mell says

Are you going to the SF office Friday for the last day?

I actually don't know yet how that will work.

How else to get the gold watch?

Sperg no more!

Apparently, confident of their ability to fully deceive the public at large, the Globalists are spinning some kind of bogus association between Covid 19 and Global Warming. This in preparation for whatever manufactured false flag 'climate disaster' they have planned in conjunction with their Global Warming meetings this summer in their ongoing attempt to erase all human rights. Obviously, the takeover of agriculture, the creation of false shortages and famines, are also part of the plan, to keep fear pumped.

There needs to be a storming of Davos Maniac Bastille soon.

More good news about the jabs:


She says FDA acknowledges that the formal reports cover no more than ten percent of actual complications and events. So, anything that is reported, multiply it by a factor of ten to get a minimum real world number of complications and adverse reactions.

Bitcoin says

WookieMan says

These aren't normal times and people working at sit down restaurants are broke

You seem to know a lot about the financial situation of servers. Are you a waiter?

Nope. I know close to a dozen restaurant owners and hang somewhat frequently. We go out to eat 2-3 times per week as a family or solo because of activities with kids. My wife was a server in college. All her sisters served. My one SIL serves still. MIL managed a popular restaurant and golf course.

Go own a business. Learn what it takes to keep employees or even IC's happy. Network with people and you'd be surprised who you meet and what you can learn.

My business now is for fun and I have no employees. The beauty of it is that a $20-$100 tip is a complete nothing burger. I'm not a cheapskate. It's the system we use in America. Servers can be paid less than minimum wage. The cooks are likely close to minimum wage. I'd rather be in charge of redistribution of my own wealth instead of government. So I tip well. This really isn't complex. Be a good human.

WookieMan says

Or you can use cash.

That's what I do. I don't trust servers with a CC.

zzyzzx says

WookieMan says

Or you can use cash.

That's what I do. I don't trust servers with a CC.

They can't do anything with it. They'd have to know your zip code 9 out of 10 times. Unless you're a regular at a local place, they're not going to know your zip. And the fraud protection on CC's is great. I've had CC companies initiate fraud claims I didn't even know about. We check the statement/account on all cards almost weekly.

Points are huge though at restaurants if you find a place you like. SW offer 3X's points at certain restaurants plus the point per dollar. So 4 points per dollar. We eat out a lot and one of the restaurants we like is a 4 banger. Annually just eating there 20 times will pay for 2 round trip flights.

WookieMan says

They can't do anything with it

I should clarify. Besides swiping it in the restaurant itself. If they try to use the number and CCV on the back online, it almost always needs a zip and matching address. They wouldn't know that.

WookieMan says

Annually just eating there 20 times will pay for 2 round trip flights.

What's the math on that? Eating at that restaurant 20 times is what total dollar amount? What are the 2 round trips worth and to where will those 2 round trip tickets take you?

WineHorror1 says

WookieMan says

Annually just eating there 20 times will pay for 2 round trip flights.

What's the math on that?

If someone tells me that waiters are broke, knows so much about the business and gets offended when you say you dont want to tip if there is no service or really bad service, then it makes me think that person might be a waiter and doesnt want to admit it.

WineHorror1 says

WookieMan says

Annually just eating there 20 times will pay for 2 round trip flights.

What's the math on that? Eating at that restaurant 20 times is what total dollar amount? What are the 2 round trips worth and to where will those 2 round trip tickets take you?

Florida. Give me a minute to look up past flights and points. We've gone to Tampa for sure on SW points for about 4k/person. So 8k total. With kids, a beer and a cocktail we're at about $120 w/ tip at restaurants. 4 x 120 = 480pts. Eating out every other week at that place is about 12,480pts annually. Which we do along with other restaurants in the reward system.

Just bought a Callaway Epic Speed driver and got almost 2k bonus points through SW. All these points count towards the Companion Pass. We have two, so our kids fly free (not the nephew). I didn't pay more either for the driver. I theoretically got paid to buy it. Depending on flight I got roughly a $30 kickback. Could be as high as $60.

Bitcoin says

If someone tells me that waiters are broke, knows so much about the business and gets offended when you say you dont want to tip if there is no service or really bad service, then it makes me think that person might be a waiter and doesnt want to admit it.

Lol. I don't need to be a server. I respect the industry and the people in it. Creates good work ethic at shitty hours, but most servers I know that get educated are substantially more successful than most. I know it because of family and people we know. Go ask a waitress in a city what they get tipped on half off wing night or 50¢ wing night. They're probably talking about you when they respond. I'd suggest you stay in your lane.

Ceffer says

More good news about the jabs:


She says FDA acknowledges that the formal reports cover no more than ten percent of actual complications and events. So, anything that is reported, multiply it by a factor of ten to get a minimum real world number of complications and adverse reactions.

So I had to look up this Dr. Sherri Tenpenny from the video... Here is what I found:

1) "Dr. Sherri Tenpenny is an expert in vaccines and has compiled perhaps the best library of these contrarian vaccine papers, articles, abstracts, and trials in the world. "

2) She's anti-vaxx, believes vaxxes cause autism, and has a book: https://www.amazon.com/Saying-No-Vaccines-Resource-Guide/dp/0979091047

3) She is a licensed osteopathic physician and anti-vaccine advocate based in suburban Cleveland.

4) Wikipedia, straight up trashes her, but Wikipedia is beyond left and reading her bio, it's clear Wikipedia hasn't look at the facts or science, or even latest examples of masking with our states: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sherri_Tenpenny

All in all, she sounds pretty credible, seems well read, and if she's right, we're only beginning to experience problems. Covid is nothing compared to what's coming.

WineHorror1 says

What's the math on that? Eating at that restaurant 20 times is what total dollar amount? What are the 2 round trips worth and to where will those 2 round trip tickets take you?

Here are two examples. Didn't go to Jamaica because my nephew didn't have his passport, but it was a booked flight. That was supposed to be spring break. Jamaica was a huge deal point wise, so still pissed about that. And I know I got blowback here about crime. It would have been fine.

We go out to eat a lot. My wife also hosts dinners well over $1k. So we do have a unique situation. But, the average person should have no problem getting 2 free flights a year if they seek out the bonuses. I know CC's are not everyone's cup of tea, but I've gotten $5k+ in tax free benefits over the last 4 years or so. Does take a bit of work, but when you factor the average family (not anyone here likely) only makes $65k/yr, it's a good deal. You have to buy food, gas, clothes, go out to eat, etc. anyway, so why not get paid back. Look for where the bonuses are and you no longer pay for flying.

SW is the best deal going if you like travel domestically, Caribbean or Mexico. Hawaii too now, but fuck the Covid restrictions there. Time the companion pass well and you've got ~20 months of free travel for a spouse or kid. Basically they're free if not familiar with the CP. Catch is you need to be close to a major hub for it to pay back the best. I benefit from being near Chicago big time being centrally located and plenty of non-stop flights which is a biggie for us.

Edit: Whoops, forgot the screen shots.

joshuatrio says

All in all, she sounds pretty credible, seems well read, and if she's right, we're only beginning to experience problems. Covid is nothing compared to what's coming.

I'm for most vaccines. And there is some evidence existing ones have issues. I still didn't hesitate to vaccinate my kids though. They are of value.

This one(s) is just too god damn new. For something that won't kill my kids or someone my age in even fair health, I'm taking a hard pass for 5 years. I don't take the flu vax anyway and I've gotten the flu. You're down for 2-3 days max. It sucks, but in hindsight it's nothing. And other flu strains kill people to this day WITH vaccines that are FDA approved.

Yikes! This just keep getting ugly! https://pandemic.warroom.org/2021/04/13/expert-cardiologist-issues-dire-warning-experimental-vaccines-are-ineffective-and-could-cause-mad-cow-disease/

WookieMan says

joshuatrio says

All in all, she sounds pretty credible, seems well read, and if she's right, we're only beginning to experience problems. Covid is nothing compared to what's coming.

I'm for most vaccines. And there is some evidence existing ones have issues. I still didn't hesitate to vaccinate my kids though. They are of value.

This one(s) is just too god damn new. For something that won't kill my kids or someone my age in even fair health, I'm taking a hard pass for 5 years. I don't take the flu vax anyway and I've gotten the flu. You're down for 2-3 days max. It sucks, but in hindsight it's nothing. And other flu strains kill people to this day WITH vaccines that are FDA approved.

We've always been selective vaxxers. Look at the vax risk and if it's really needed. My kids are mostly vaxxed and we did a delayed vax schedule due to potential autism risk and to space out the numerous injections as to go easier on the body. I do agree that traditional vaccines can provide value with little risk.

But yeah, there is nothing known on this covid shot yet - and too many side effects - not to mention adverse reactions that are becoming known.

zzyzzx says

WookieMan says

Or you can use cash.

That's what I do. I don't trust servers with a CC.

Another good reason to tip in cash is that it's off the books, or at least up to the server to say how much they got.

Cash is much more valuable to the server than a tip on a credit card.

joshuatrio says

We've always been selective vaxxers. Look at the vax risk and if it's really needed. My kids are mostly vaxxed and we did a delayed vax schedule due to potential autism risk and to space out the numerous injections as to go easier on the body. I do agree that traditional vaccines can provide value with little risk.

I'm fine with that. Not my place to tell/judge someone what they want to put in their or their kids bodies. I'd only question a proven vaccine and why someone wouldn't take it. I DON'T trust this vaccine(s). It's now being played the J&J is a different type. Yes, but that doesn't make the other vaccines any less shitty. We have no clue.

Putting out 10's of millions of vaccines is no small feat. Just production wise, fuck the research. This happened in under a year. It amazes me how many people (their right) are willing to put this shit in their bodies with almost no evidence.

Cases are increasing again here in IL with a high vax rate. Data and math says that's not possible if close to 1/3rd of the state has been vaccinated. But it doesn't add up with how many have been vaccinated. Spring break is not an excuse for increased cases IF the vaccines work. It should be plummeting.

I'm genuinely concerned for some friends/family that have gotten any of the shots. Wife is out for now with J&J pause (thank god), but the vax shamming is going to be rough. I give zero shits about telling people to fuck off.

WookieMan says

With kids, a beer and a cocktail we're at about $120 w/ tip at restaurants. 4 x 120 = 480pts. Eating out every other week at that place is about 12,480pts annually.

12k points annually? Thats cute.
$120 at a sit down restaurant doesnt get me far with my wife alone.....lol. Cost of living seems to be very different in IL or you go to dirt cheap restaurants.....No wonder you said before you cant move to SoCal.

Bitcoin says

2k points annually? Thats cute.

From sit down dining, from one restaurant. WH asked for the math. I gave it to him in an honest response.... I know that's foreign to some... I carry 60k-300k SW points at all times. I was just showing what eating out could bring in.

Bitcoin says

No wonder you said before you cant move to SoCal.

I won't. Not I can't. Math and logic are not your best skills.

Bitcoin says

$120 at a sit down restaurant doesnt get me far with my wife alone

You're overpaying for shit food. CA has some of the worst and most overpriced food of any place I've visited in the country. A user here recommended a place in Palm Springs I'd been to. Pure shit. Also a bunch of gay vegan and you have to eat healthy type places that fucking suck. CA is not a foodie destination by any stretch.

Go to Chicago, NYC or the South for good food. I think Patrick would agree with Chicago being a good food town. I know we have some Southerns and a few East Coasters. You need to get off the bike or your dog and check out other places. You're talking out your ass at this point. CA restaurants are pure profit with high real estate expenses. So they skimp on the food itself. Authentic Mexican you might do okay with as your government is just chill with letting them in.

Donald says

WookieMan says

WookieMan says

They can't do anything with it

I should clarify. Besides swiping it in the restaurant itself. If they try to use the number and CCV on the back online, it almost always needs a zip and matching address. They wouldn't know that.

Yes, not like they could Google it

They'd have to guess which address is the one. I have I think 7-8 linked to my name. My name is also common as in something like Brian Smith. Good luck getting the transaction to go through after fucking up the address or zip so many times. Either way, I can call in and dispute the charge. Haven't lost one yet out of 8-10.

If you really want privacy and protection, change your name. Common first and common last name. I have it easy with a very common first name and a somewhat common last name. There's about 30 people with my same name in the Chicagoland area.

I did this as part of my past job. Finding someone with a common name was much, much more difficult. I generally had other information like an address too.

Remember the person grabbing your info has to have it shipped somewhere. Depending on the amount purchased, they may be looking at a felony. The vendor also has liability as well. CC's are the most secure form of money transfer. They want it that way knowing people won't pay it off and they can charge insane amounts of interest. They pass the fraud off to the merchant anyway or raise fees.