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66   AmericanKulak   2021 May 18, 5:07pm  

Patrick says



The Irish conflict was never a religious conflict either.

It was natives vs invaders, nothing more. They happened to have somewhat different religions, but not all that different.


Somebody should write a fiction book where a time traveler from 2021 goes back to Belfast of 1973 and shows the IRA and UDF pictures of Drag Queens with Transsexual Bathroom Signage, Sinn Fein celebrating the legalization of Abortion, etc. and both join up in a plan to kill every socialist in the Isles.
68   mostly reader   2021 May 18, 7:44pm  

richwicks says
Hasbera's purpose is to spread propaganda.
Nice.
You do realize though that it's not Hasbera's fact-bending that I'm pointing out here? So, shall we lay off statements as to who pursues what purpose.
To save you some trouble in that quest for truth: I personally know at least one convert who moved to Israel as a Jew.
69   AmericanKulak   2021 May 18, 8:14pm  

mostly reader says

You are factually, verifiably incorrect here. Twice in a single sentence. Israel does accept converts in addition to recognizing descendants from maternal bloodline. This was tested in 1980 in a case which made it to Israeli Supreme Court.


I know a Portuguese Gal in her late 20s who is converting TO Judaism. Her family has disowned her for it, and they're not militant Catholics at all, but your typical Euro Secular Socialists. "You're going to be married to a circumcised man, and they rape women because they have no feeling in their penis" her mother told her. The mother is a long time heroin addict, FWIW.

Apparently, she reached out to some Hassidics, they paid for a plane ticket from Lisbon, put her up in a hostel in Israel, and have been paying for her Visa Renewals while she studies for Conversion.
70   mostly reader   2021 May 18, 9:24pm  

Patrick says
Jews are pretty rich, so it's pretty hard.
There may be something to this. If I were to argue against this point, I'd point out that:
1) Conversion brings no benefits, apart from being able to move to Israel. Unless you are Doug "The Head" and need to blend in (spoiler: you'd be looked down at on both sides of the isle).
2) It was always hard to convert to Judaism, even before the modern Israel. The culture was always the opposite of "messianism", including the times when no one in the right mind would do it because it would bring nothing but trouble.
3) However, there is strong emphasis on reuniting with those who are already Jews but are detached from the culture/tradition.

If you look at 2 and 3 together, it hints at philosophy which is deeper than just "we want to expand" or "we want to be isolated". There's more to it.

However, I wouldn't argue against your point because there is no "because" in your point, and cause and effect may be not what they seem. Relative prosperity may be the consequence of such philosophy, not the reason.

Indeed, some of that may also apply to Parsis.
71   Patrick   2021 May 18, 11:16pm  

mostly reader says
Relative prosperity may be the consequence of such philosophy, not the reason.


There is a good argument to be made there as well. Groups that know they can trust each other have a big advantage in business. Outsiders don't fit into that.

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