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Tenpoundbass says

Trump will be reinstated by August

Hopium. Not gonna happen. Only way Trump gets back in is if he runs in 2024. There is no mechanism for a do-over. Even if the results are decertified after the fact, which won't happen... but even if that did come to pass.... then what? You'd have lawsuits and countersuits. It would take at least a year to sort out. It would almost certainly go to SCOTUS who may or may not take the case. Biden term would be half over before it got sorted out. And even if GA flips back you need AZ AND one more state. With each state you'll have more lawsuits, etc. Let's say they both flip (unlikley) then you can argue that recounts are needed in all 50. But two years on, chain of custody is shot. They will simply run out the clock

GreaterNYCDude says

There is no mechanism for a do-over.

There is no mechanism that protects a political criminal enterprise from stealing the election and getting away with it, while our Courts claim it's a moot point.
Doing so would put our whole Democratic process, especially the Redress Of Grievances, in dereliction.


Understand, everything they've done since Trump got elected has been off the rails, and not allowed under the constitution. Our system has been distorted and exploited, to say we can't have an unorthodox outcome, that has no precedence. Due to unprecedented circumstances. Would really be conceding full authority of our Constitution to the Powerful and corrupt. They distorted as they see fit, at every turn.

Tenpoundbass says

Understand, everything they've done since Trump got elected has been off the rails, and not allowed under the constitution. Our system has been distorted and exploited, to say we can't have an unorthodox outcome, that has no precedence. Due to unprecedented circumstances. Would really be conceding full authority of our Constitution to the Powerful and corrupt. They distorted as they see fit, at every turn.

First things first. Americas audit is in Arizona. If that one fails the point is moot. If, however, America's Audit in Arizona shows widespread cheating, especially with mail-in ballots, AND that Trump actually won the state in a landslide the ballots of ALL states will come under question.

If direct foreign intervention is proven and the stories about dominion prove true, there is no way the election results can hold.

The CIA FBI DOJ JCS MSN MSM ABC CBS CNN MSNBC etc. et al may disagree. And if THEY aren't running the show WHO is?

Chain of custody was definitely busted. THe results of any audit are now questionable. So what if the ballots were brought in by the truckload with no chain of custody last November.

Onvacation says

The CIA FBI DOJ JCS MSN MSM ABC CBS CNN MSNBC etc. et al may disagree. And if THEY aren't running the show WHO is?

Exactly. WHO is running the show, with China running them...

(and he's on first)

The one thing I think MOST would agree on is that we need to trust the election process. This election was a cluster top to bottom. There were enough alleged anomalies that a recount is warranted in any state where the margin was less than 1%. (GA, AZ and WI). Will the results change? Hard to say until we count them.

But its more than just counting. A hand count should match within reasonable margins of error. If not, then the machines themselves are suspect. But if a recount is reasonably close to the original count, then what?

With all of the mail in voting going on, were ballots counted that should not have been? Probably. But how do we adjudicate that six months after the fact? I don't think we can.

If there was proof of ballot stuffing / dumping/ fixing bring it forward. My understanding is Team Trump tried, the proof was deemed too weak and the courts dismissed it.

A little over four years ago the situation was reversed. No Democrate could have fathomed Hilliary would have lost. They spent 4 years batching and moaning about the results.

Is it so hard to belive that Trump lost a close election? Is it feasible that turnout was abnormally high because polls were open early and often for early voting? And mail in ballots were readily available in most parts of the country?

Is it unreasonable to assume that Democrats utilized mail in ballots more than Republicans because they were less likely to venture out in public due to the fear of the virus?

Could Joe have gathered 85 million votes? If the democrats and independents hated Trump more than the his supporters loved him... AND the process was so easy that you didn't even need to leave your house to cast your vote in some states? Let's just say it's not impossible. Plus early voting made it easier for the working poor to vote. Most of those votes logically went to the guy who campaigned on a platform of "tax the rich".

I still have questions about the election. I think the audits should continue. I think getting it right is important even of the results don't change.

Perhaps this is why Gore didn't fight harder in 2000. He knew contesting the results ad nausem would rip the country apart.

Who knows mabey the Dems were pissed at loosing two close elections this century and actually did all they are accused of. Mabe it was all above board and a fluke.

But if we fight amongst ourselves it will make us weaker not stronger. History has proven that time and time again.

I don't exactly like the results, but they aren't changing. Sorry.

The election in 2020 was perfectly fair, because the Dems were cheated out of the election they cheated on in 2016.

GreaterNYCDude says

My understanding is Team Trump tried, the proof was deemed too weak and the courts dismissed it.

It was not that the proof was "weak," it was that the filers had no "standing."
You are also ignoring the shutdown of counting in 5 critical districts where Trump was ahead, and recounting only began after mysterious massive ballot dumps after Republican poll watchers were removed. You also ignore far more votes than register voters.

HeadSet says

GreaterNYCDude says

My understanding is Team Trump tried, the proof was deemed too weak and the courts dismissed it.

It was not that the proof was "weak," it was that the filers had no "standing."
You are also ignoring the shutdown of counting in 5 critical districts where Trump was ahead, and recounting only began after mysterious massive ballot dumps after Republican poll watchers were removed. You also ignore far more votes than register voters.

Not trying to ignore anything. The shutdown / recount issue should in and of itself warrant further scrutiny. It's one of the anomalies that makes me go "hmm". That's why I'm in support of any and all recounts or audits.

This election (like every other before it) was the "most important of our generation". Still the PTB managed to FUBAR it.