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Eric Holder says

richwicks says

Precisely - why would the president's SON be involved with it?

Why not? The guy is allegedly some kind of lawyer, isn't he?

Because:

Eric Holder says

Exporting grain is some kind of rocket science? Anybody can do it.

Anybody can do it, so why would they pick

1) An American
2) A crackhead
3) The president's son?

It's just another conduit for bribes. Hunter Biden isn't doing anything, other than taking money. It's a bribe.

richwicks says

Anybody can do it, so why would they pick

1) An American
2) A crackhead
3) The president's son?

It's just another conduit for bribes. Hunter Biden isn't doing anything, other than taking money. It's a bribe.

Why not? I know Americans working in Ukraine. I know Americans working in China. I even know Americans who used to work in Russia. The crackhead part might be not known (or the parties involved didn't care, like Russians certainly don't care if you're raging alcoholic). The president son part - is there a list of things president's sons can't do? If there is, why such an innocent thing as selling grain is on it? How about selling Belgian chocolate to Ghana or coding for Facebook - kosher/no kosher? Shall all president's children be limited to driving taxicabs in Omaha or flipping burgers in Troy?

Eric Holder says

richwicks says

Anybody can do it, so why would they pick

1) An American
2) A crackhead
3) The president's son?

It's just another conduit for bribes. Hunter Biden isn't doing anything, other than taking money. It's a bribe.

Why not? I know Americans working in Ukraine.

Look, I don't want to talk to somebody that I know isn't stupid, but insists on pretending to be stupid.

I hate this. You want to argue and for something I can't possibly think you actually have a true belief in.

Hunter Biden wasn't needed in order to export grain between Ukraine and China, yet he was hired for it and you pretend there's nothing suspicious or bizarre about this, that this is just a commercial transaction that Hunter Biden HAPPENED to get, although you've already pointed out there's ABSOLUTELY no need for an American to be needed for a transaction between Ukraine and China, much less the president's son.

When I talk to you, the only consistency you have, is you're consistently dishonest. That's poor moral character from my point of view. You just want an argument, you don't actually want a discussion.

richwicks says

Hunter Biden wasn't needed in order to export grain between Ukraine and China

Says who? Export/import companies don't work w/o lawyers and the guy is a holder of a law degree, isn't he? How do you think contracts are written/reviewed and disputes settled? Again, all you have is "but he's a president's son!" and nothing else.

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richwicks says

I'm not going to continue arguing this silliness.

Yes, because you have no argument, only feelings. So you're running for the hills.

richwicks says

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@Patrick - how is this "personal"?

I just don't believe Eric Holder is arguing in good faith. It's delusional logic.

"stop pretending you are stupid" sounds personal to me.

Patrick says

"stop pretending you are stupid" sounds personal to me.

Well, he is PRETENDING to be stupid. I don't think he is.

Look, is it reasonable in any world to think that Hunter Biden, a man with many drug issues, would be randomly hired to facilitate export of Ukrainian grain to China, and instead Hunter Biden wasn't simply hired for the sole reason that he's the son of a politician?

That's what Eric Holder is pretending. In what clown world would somebody that able to read and write really believe that? He's not stupid, but he's treating me like I'm stupid. Of course, other people are so dumb, they would believe that.

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richwicks says

richwicks says

personal

@Patrick - how is this "personal"?

I just don't believe Eric Holder is arguing in good faith. It's delusional logic.

I totally am. And the "richwicks" bot is not: he hasn't answered a single simple question he's been asked but instead started throwing around words like "stupid" and extensively using the word "you", which, as we know, is never a good sign when some idea is supposed to be discussed and not the person discussing it.

Let's stop talking about each other.

The ignore function works if you need it.

richwicks says

Patrick says

"stop pretending you are stupid" sounds personal to me.

Well, he is PRETENDING to be stupid. I don't think he is.

Look, is it reasonable in any world to think that Hunter Biden, a man with many drug issues, would be randomly hired to facilitate export of Ukrainian grain to China, and instead Hunter Biden wasn't simply hired for the sole reason that he's the son of a politician?

That's what Eric Holder is pretending. In what clown world would somebody that able to read and write really believe that? He's not stupid, but he's treating me like I'm stupid. Of course, other people are so dumb, they would believe that.

If you are so not stupid, answer the question: which law is violated when a person, who happens to be a president's son, is hired as lawyer to supposedly facilitate some export-import deal between two foreign companies? If the president's son is a RE developer, is it ok for him to sell condos to citizens of some foreign country which is NOT an ally of the US, or is it a hidden bribe to the President from said country? If the president's son is a SW developer, is it OK for him to work for Facebook (or SAP to throw some foreign into the mix), or this is again a hidden bribe? And if the President himself owns some hotels, is it OK for foreign delegations to stay there or this is a bribe? The latter was actually alleged by the demon rats, btw.

Eric Holder says

richwicks says

Hunter Biden wasn't needed in order to export grain between Ukraine and China

Says who? Export/import companies don't work w/o lawyers and the guy is a holder of a law degree, isn't he? How do you think contracts are written/reviewed and disputes settled? Again, all you have is "but he's a president's son!" and nothing else.

You don't think there are thousands of cheaper lawyers without conflict of interest available, many of them smarter and more experienced because they aren't constantly out partying doing coke and hookers? I mean that guy knows how to part I'll give that to him, but to insinuate he was hired for his skills is hardly convincing. Sure they may have hired hunter for his "business relationships" and "international network", but that's right where the corruption starts.

Eric Holder says

I can't believe I'm defending Hunter

Nor can I. Why are you defending Hunter?

The evidence I have seen is that he is a morally corrupt individual who has not only traded on his father's name but has used his father's power to enrich his self.

Eric Holder says

- is there a list of things president's sons can't do?

I'll start the list:
They can't break laws.

Eric Holder says

I totally am. And the "richwicks" bot is not: he hasn't answered a single simple question he's been asked but instead started throwing around words like "stupid" and extensively using the word "you

Look, compile a list of questions you want me to answer, and I'll answer them later tonight and in detail. I have to meet up with friends for dinner and a beer.

But if you seriously believe that Hunter Biden was hired by Ukraine and China to facilitate a transfer of grain from Ukraine to China, that it's just happenstance that it's the son of the president, and he's been hired for his competence because he's qualified (and needed) to do this, I'm just dumbfounded. If you're complete dead serious about this being a complete up and up deal, I'm afraid I can't respect your thinking at all.

It's like denying the the US overthrew Ukraine and I know somebody that seriously does, and not just on "the Internet". People who refuse to think outside of what they've heard from a propagandists, somebody they call a journalist, I simply don't want to talk with. They have no original thinking and as a result, they don't deserve any consideration.

mell says

Eric Holder says

richwicks says

Hunter Biden wasn't needed in order to export grain between Ukraine and China

Says who? Export/import companies don't work w/o lawyers and the guy is a holder of a law degree, isn't he? How do you think contracts are written/reviewed and disputes settled? Again, all you have is "but he's a president's son!" and nothing else.

You don't think there are thousands of cheaper lawyers without conflict of interest available, many of them smarter and more experienced because they aren't constantly out partying doing coke and hookers?

Maybe, maybe not. I've seen a big number of bad engineers (some with drug/alcohol problem) still being employed, so why is this different for lawyers/executives and such? It's not like any of these are drug-tested as a requirement for the job. Besides, he could've hidden his bad habits well or they didn't care or even participated. Chinese businessmen are known for partying with drugs, booze and whores pretty hard, and I don't think ex-USSR businesspeople are that far behind them.

Onvacation says

Eric Holder says

- is there a list of things president's sons can't do?

I'll start the list:
They can't break laws.

Good. Which law is broken by somebody participating in export-import deal from Ukraine to China? The goods is not of a "controlled" type and both countries are not under sanctions.

richwicks says

compile a list of questions you want me to answer

#85

Onvacation says

Eric Holder says

I can't believe I'm defending Hunter

Nor can I. Why are you defending Hunter?

Because I like logic and don't like feelz. The man is a POS, but the whole "he worked for a company exporting grain from Ukraine to China AND THIS IS A SMOKING GUN" is not logical. It's no different from "his son sold condos to Russians AND THIS IS A SMOKING GUN" or "Saudi delegation stayed at Trump hotel AND THIS IS A SMOKING GUN".

richwicks says

I'm afraid I can't respect your thinking at all.

Ignore really does work, and you don't need a button. The ignore button is for annoying people.

Eric Holder says

richwicks says

compile a list of questions you want me to answer

#85

Bueller?

richwicks says

People who refuse to think outside of what they've heard from a propagandists, somebody they call a journalist, I simply don't want to talk with. They have no original thinking and as a result, they don't deserve any consideration.

I listen to leftist propaganda all the time while commuting. It's just one little lie after another. But it's believable. If you only have one source of news and you have trusted it your entire life, anyone calling these "journalists" liars is a conspiracy theorist.

Eric Holder says

export-import deal from Ukraine to China

I'm sure his reputation of getting things done at Burisma was what got him the job.

Onvacation says

richwicks says

People who refuse to think outside of what they've heard from a propagandists, somebody they call a journalist, I simply don't want to talk with. They have no original thinking and as a result, they don't deserve any consideration.

I listen to leftist propaganda all the time while commuting. It's just one little lie after another. But it's believable. If you only have one source of news and you have trusted it your entire life, anyone calling these "journalists" liars is a conspiracy theorist.

What any of this has to do with anything? I asked a simple question: which law is violated when presiden'ts son works for a company exporting some perfectly legal goods from one foreign country to another? What leftist propaganda are you talking about here?

Eric Holder says

THIS IS A SMOKING GUN

Can't argue with that..

Eric Holder says

What leftist propaganda are you talking about here?

All of it!

Onvacation says

Eric Holder says

export-import deal from Ukraine to China

I'm sure his reputation of getting things done at Burisma was what got him the job.

Could be. But Burisma is problematic because of supposedly squashed investigation into the owner's wrongdoings, not because IT WAS A GAS EXPLORATION COMPANY DRILLING IN UKRAINE, is it? So if we drop the histerionic BECAUSE THEY WERE SELLING UKRAINIAN GRAIN TO CHINA, what's left? Was the owner of that company under investigation too? Was an AG fired on Biden's request too? I don't think any of this was alleged wrt grain exporting company. So why invoke it in the first place?

Onvacation says

Eric Holder says

What leftist propaganda are you talking about here?

All of it!

Good start, but why the rest is not answered?

Eric Holder says

I asked a simple question: which law is violated when presiden'ts son works for a company exporting some perfectly legal goods from one foreign country to another?

So? Any suggestions?

There seems to be a lot of evidence of how corrupt the Biden family is. Not only corrupt but amoral.

Joe and his clown show is just a sign of the severe corruption that has caused a lot of pain for the world and is going to cause a lot more before the curtain is pulled back and our liberty is restored or subjecation is complete.

I am a lot more concerned about what Joe is doing in America than what Hunter is doing in Ukraine.

Onvacation says

Eric Holder says

THIS IS A SMOKING GUN

Can't argue with that..

Which one? About condos or about Saudis staying in the Trump hotel?

Onvacation says

There seems to be a lot of evidence of how corrupt the Biden family is. Not only corrupt but amoral.

Even less reason for idiotic screams "HE WAS SELLING GRAIN TO CHINA, SO THERE!". As I said, it's so obviously idiotic and irrelevant it reeks of deliberately planted red herring.

I'm curious @Eric Holder.

Did you vote for Biden? Why is Ukraine so important to you?

You do seem like a reasonable person but I don't quite understand your politics.

Personally, I identify as a leave me the fuck alone because I'm not hurting anyone Libertarian.

Eric Holder says

If you are so not stupid, answer the question: which law is violated when a person, who happens to be a president's son, is hired as lawyer to supposedly facilitate some export-import deal between two foreign companies?

It's unquestionably illegal if it's actually not doing any work at all, and is taking a no show job so that the 3rd party hiring him is purchasing influence from his politically connected father. If there's ANY influence from the politically connected father, it's a bribe, even if Joe Biden doesn't financially benefit from it.

Eric Holder says

If the president's son is a RE developer, is it ok for him to sell condos to citizens of some foreign country which is NOT an ally of the US, or is it a hidden bribe to the President from said country?

Not OK if it's a bribe. This can be ascertained by having the property's assessment independently verified. If a $500,000 property is sold for $50,000,000 it's obvious it's a bribe.

Why would the United States even make it legal for US property to be purchased by a foreign country which is an "enemy"? Nobody asks that. Foreigners should not be able to buy US property at all.

Eric Holder says

If the president's son is a SW developer, is it OK for him to work for Facebook (or SAP to throw some foreign into the mix), or this is again a hidden bribe?

Would depend on the compensation for the employee. If, for example, that instead the son ends up on the BOD or in some group that is enforcing censorship, this is a conflict of interests. If they are engaging in censorship, this is a clear violation of the 1st amendment.

Eric Holder says

And if the President himself owns some hotels, is it OK for foreign delegations to stay there or this is a bribe?

Again, it would depend on if the cost of the stay suddenly went from $200 a night, to $20,000 a night, for 4 months for example.

Eric Holder says

The latter was actually alleged by the demon rats, btw.

Perhaps they are right.

If Trump was engaging in illicit activity, by all means, prosecute him. For fuck's sake, prosecute ONE of these fucking criminals. Obama implemented Common Core, then got a $60,000,000 book deal for his memoirs from the same company. Random House made $450 MILLION on new Common Core text books.

Hillary Clinton and Bill Clinton go to banks making $50,000 to $500,000 a spot "speeches", these two asshole tried to have some doofus show called "An Evening with the Clintons" and they had to cancel it because nobody gave a damn about them - that's the actual free market, not the bribes the banks were giving them. Like a few dozen people were willing to show up.

Dick Cheney got MILLIONS after Halliburton went from oil exploration company to mercenaries in Iraq. I am not certain how he was paid, he ended up on the BOD again or something.

Our government is a criminal syndicate, and it's not just one party or the other. It's a fucking criminal syndicate, and NOBODY is ever prosecuted, EVER.

I'm sick of it.

But then you have these dummies that only want to concentrate on ONE party. Sure prosecute the Clintons and the Obamas, but not the Bushes!

Most people have the government they deserve, one as corrupt as they are. I don't deserve this government.

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