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Patrick says

krc says

I still don't understand how they are going to "prove" if you got the vaccination or not?

They will demand the CDC card, which will be illegal to fake.

Proving that it's indeed fake would be a pretty steep hurdle, though.

Man, I really don't get what the fuck it is they want from us.

I spent my whole life consuming all sorts of fiction media that glorified being independent, rebellious, and most of all, freedom loving. Now they're all just like "obey, lol" and we're just supposed to go with it? Seriously? Did I just consume media by "the bad men?"

I'm so sorry they're invading your privacy like that.

They need some numbers to report back to the feds to ensure they have adequate "facilities" built to handle non-compliance.

https://www.vic.gov.au/victorian-quarantine-hub

Shaman says

Deliberately lying to your employer about yourself is usually grounds for termination. We’ve had to fire several new hires when it became clear that they lied on their resume. I am not sure if this is or could be construed to be the same thing.

In your position, I would decline to state.

Weren’t they giving out excess shots at pharmacies to random people they pulled off the street early on? Just say you had your shot that method and lost your card….

70% of the adult population has had 1 dose though. If it really ends up being bad for you… society will be decimated. Real estate prices will crash though … bringing this site full circle back to its origins.

I'd go with 3), you can always got to 2) from there. But unless you're essential for in-person meetings you can just work remotely. If for some reason they find a way around the privacy issue, then you can move on to 2). Since you claim to have been in top health all your life you may have to state religious or personal aversion, but anyone with medical records less than 20 years ago showing severe inflammation, a post-viral issue (similar to what is now called long-covid which is just a rebranding of PVF for fear porn purposes) or any other medical abnormalities should be able to get an exemption from an MD.

mell says

If for some reason they find a way around the privacy issue, then you can move on to 2). Since you claim to have been in top health all your life you may have to state religious or personal aversion, but anyone with medical records less than 20 years ago showing severe inflammation, a post-viral issue (similar to what is now called long-covid which is just a rebranding of PVF for fear porn purposes) or any other medical abnormalities should be able to get an exemption from an MD.

How about "mental issues", like "fear of needles", for example? They can't disprove you have it and there is no other method to deliver the fucking potion (yet).

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Never forget this is an experimental vaccine and unless you're quite elderly, you are very unlikely to die from the actual disease itself. I regard this entire pandemic stuff, as a complete scam. I will NEVER take this vaccination.

Eric Holder says

mell says

If for some reason they find a way around the privacy issue, then you can move on to 2). Since you claim to have been in top health all your life you may have to state religious or personal aversion, but anyone with medical records less than 20 years ago showing severe inflammation, a post-viral issue (similar to what is now called long-covid which is just a rebranding of PVF for fear porn purposes) or any other medical abnormalities should be able to get an exemption from an MD.

How about "mental issues", like "fear of needles", for example? They can't disprove you have it and there is no other method to deliver the fucking potion (yet).

That may work if there are no other health abnormalities in the past and you find a compassionate MD. But afaik at least half of humans have had a more recent episode in their lives or some sort of condition that required caution for some time, and that should work even better. If you ever fainted from a shot, have had any abnormal reaction from it or from a viral illness (which is pretty much what the shot induces hence similar symptoms) you should find a way to become exempt. Draw up a paper with the company assuming all liabilities should they go through with it and disregarding the exemption. Use a lawyer, in this case money well spent. That should do the trick. Or only work 100% remotely from here on, there are no upsides going into work even without !covid!.

Most tech co. are requiring to fill covid form every day when entering building. Once a while vaccine status. Things are like this around, I hear most got vaccinated. Not much freedom left.

Blue says

Most tech co. are requiring to fill covid form every day when entering building. Once a while vaccine status. Things are like this around, I hear most got vaccinated. Not much freedom left.

At my job, when I go in, I'm required to have a temperature check via a tablet that has an infra-red camera. I can put up with that crap. I can put up with having to have a stupid mask as I walk into the building and to my cubicle but there's absolutely no way, I'm going to take this "vaccine".

I purposely live WELL below my means, so I can't be made into a slave. I think a lot of people are about to find out they are slaves and I'm sorry, but I have little sympathy at this point. People have been warning that the government is growing more and more openly criminal and they were called conspiracy nuts, paranoids, even traitors and anti-American.

Well here's the result - if you allow the government to force an injection into you, IF you allow this, you have NO RIGHTS. You're a farm animal - well not even that, farmers actually care for their animals, if only for a financial interest. The government doesn't give a DAMNED about us.

If people don’t push back, it’ll be new normal.

Fortwaynemobile says

If people don’t push back, it’ll be new normal.

That's exactly right. If you don't push back, you're accepting you are a slave.

I will never submit to this "vaccine" at this point. If it was just marched out, and made available, and my employer requested it or gave me an incentive, I would have considered it - but since there's a full court press on this, that there's censorship to prevent people from openly discussing what they feel are risks and dangers, that our mass media keeps promoting it, and that simple obvious facts like "if the vaccine works, it doesn't matter if your coworker/wife/friends take it, since you're immune - provided it works" is NEVER mentioned and aren't allowed to be discussed - I'm never ever taking this vaccination.

I don't believe it gives immunity, I think they are slightly dangerous, and I'm not afraid of this disease and I don't believe we are in a pandemic.

I won't try to dissuade people from getting this, but I'm pretty solid in my position. If I do pussy out and get it, I will report that I have. I won't be a hypocrite, but I don't see myself getting this vaccine unless I'm pinned to the floor and forced to take it.

NuttBoxer says

3. Decline to disclose private healthy information, or to attend in-person events until perceived risk is mitigated.

And @NuttBoxer

You can refuse to answer it. I was asked this question and required to complete a questionnaire at work. This is the last option I was given for a response. I was informed I would be treated as "unvaccinated" - that's fine. Even if I was vaccinated, that is how I would have completed the questionnaire. I am vigilant about my privacy.

We are not being asked for our informed consent, as the Nuremberg Code requires with the goal of avoiding another holocaust.

We are not being asked for consent at all.

We are being ordered to comply with a violation of our bodies which could well result in death, and threatened with loss of employment or education for refusal.

Fauci and Biden, among many others, especially pharma executives, are criminals against all of humanity at this point. We will never forget this, nor will we ever trust our government or medical establishment again.

The first step in resistance is mass non-compliance with the clot shot. Then we need further forms of mass non-compliance, like the Indians used against the British.

Patrick says

We are not being asked for our informed consent, as the Nuremberg Code requires with the goal of avoiding another holocaust.

Human rights are a nice ideal, but they don't exist.

Might makes right.

There will be a point where the government will be like "good enough" - until then they will increase pressure.

I keep waiting for the point where the millions revolt.

What will it take, if injecting their children with deadly unknowns it not enough?

Patrick says

I keep waiting for the point where the millions revolt.

What will it take, if injecting their children with deadly unknowns it not enough?

Can't happen soon enough.

They are murdering their children and committing suicide by taking the clot shot out of pure TDS.

FuckCCP89 says

My job is not asking me about the vaxx (yet?) but I was thinking about the situation you found yourself in. At this moment I'm leaning towards simply replying "not vaxxed" w/o offering any explanations. If they ask for details I'd refuse to give any, just like if asked what kind of illnes kept me at home when I took that sick day. If they fire me later I'd definitely sue.

I thought about doing that, but I'm very private, and would not feel comfortable sharing my shot status. So I will politely decline to disclose that information.

I regularly get questionare email about my vaccination status at work. So far i kept ignoring it for month and a half. Nobody enforcing it yet.

Silence is often the best answer.

My kids need their vaccine status disclosed to enter the public school system.

Asking for vaccine status isn’t unheard of like some of you are making it sound like.

Anyone asks, shoot them in the face.

Standing your ground isn't illegal yet.

BayArea says

My kids need their vaccine status disclosed to enter the public school system.

Asking for vaccine status isn’t unheard of like some of you are making it sound like.

Not unheard of for sure to ask at school, but this technically is not an approved vaccine in the traditional sense. No long term trials and I've heard not even tested on animals. Unless you're in the medical field, I've never heard of employers asking if you have been vaccinated for even the traditional ones that are fully approved and proven over decades.

The perfect response to any employer or HR would be, "did you ask people if they had AIDS? You haven't asked me that yet." See how fast the HR employee gives you a blank stare or says never thought about that. They cannot ask you about your jab status on this one. They're gonna open pandoras box on this. The "protected gay" AIDS class will throw a massive hissy fit if this starts getting asked for employment, college admission, etc.

Employers know who has HIV/AIDS. I don’t believe for a second that details like this are kept private from your treatment paying employer.

AIDS is also not an airborne virus, so it’s not an apples to apples comparison. HR would probably quickly throw that argument out.

Never had an employer ask. Ever. Wife as well for work. Never had them ask for vaccination records. It's not their business.

Most I've been asked is an ID, social security card and then fill out a W-2. Filled out non-compete and whatever form there are for not disclosing information about the business. Medical field is the only place I've heard of employees being asked that stuff for good reason.

I know the difference with airborne and how AIDS is transferred. Who cares? You CANNOT ask about AIDS in anything I can think of beside maybe medical. It's a top 5 no-no in real estate. The point is moot either way, if they're not asking about other illnesses it's discrimination, plain and simple. So they either have to get your full medical records and find out about all ailments or not require vaccination. You choose what you get to put into your body.

This is literally like an employer asking if you ate ribs before to get a job. The coming lawsuits over all this are going to be insane. This is going overboard and will start hitting people with deep pockets.

BayArea says

My kids need their vaccine status disclosed to enter the public school system.

Asking for vaccine status isn’t unheard of like some of you are making it sound like.

Under normal circumstances sure. But under this authoritarian regime, hell no. I don’t trust them.

BayArea says

Asking for vaccine status isn’t unheard of like some of you are making it sound like.

Yep, another precedent that most people probably didn't think about deeply enough at the time. Although you always have the choice not to send your kids to public school.

BayArea says

AIDS is also not an airborne virus, so it’s not an apples to apples comparison. HR would probably quickly throw that argument out.

Is covid? Heard that human to human transmission through the air has never been proven. I think the point is it's a contagious disease. Just like herpes, any other flu, common cold, hepatitis, etc. If my employer is going to protect me from covid, they should protect me from these as well.

NuttBoxer says

If my employer is going to protect me from covid, they should protect me from these as well.

Bingo. My point and yours as well.

Also covid is a 2 week disease at worst for 98% of the population. And yes, mostly dead people can die from it. Regardless of the chances of getting AIDS in a work environment, if I do, I live with it for life. Not just 2 weeks. I don't want those people on a plane or near me. I'm being hyperbolic, but the concept is the same. We cannot protect everyone from everything and that's what we're trying to do with an airborne, minor illness. Adults need to make adult choices.

BayArea says

Employers know who has HIV/AIDS. I don’t believe for a second that details like this are kept private from your treatment paying employer.

AIDS is also not an airborne virus, so it’s not an apples to apples comparison. HR would probably quickly throw that argument out.

What about TB? Airborne? Check. Contageous? Check. Does HR ask anyone if they have it, require proof of vaccination against it or a negative test? Nope. Why not?

What about chickenpox? Airborne, highly contageous, very deadly to people over 25. Why no mandatory disclosure for this one?

FuckCCP89 says

BayArea says

Employers know who has HIV/AIDS. I don’t believe for a second that details like this are kept private from your treatment paying employer.

AIDS is also not an airborne virus, so it’s not an apples to apples comparison. HR would probably quickly throw that argument out.

What about TB? Airborne? Check. Contageous? Check. Does HR ask anyone if they have it, require proof of vaccination against it or a negative test? Nope. Why not?

What about chickenpox? Airborne, highly contageous, very deadly to people over 25. Why no mandatory disclosure for this one?

People that aren't gay cannot get AIDS generally, that's why. They're a protected class that is part of an acronym that grows annually, yet is like 2-3% of the population.

If I have to disclose a vaccine (vaccine passport) to enter an establishment, I want to know who has AIDS and that they also cannot enter. Along with the other diseases you mention. I give zero shits how AIDS is transmitted (pun intended). I'm not scared of getting AIDS or Covid. I'm an adult and don't need other adults to make decisions for me.

All it takes is 2-3 rich fucks to get covid passport checked and sue businesses out of existence. I hope it's happening right now. It should be.

FuckCCP89 says

BayArea says

Employers know who has HIV/AIDS. I don’t believe for a second that details like this are kept private from your treatment paying employer.

AIDS is also not an airborne virus, so it’s not an apples to apples comparison. HR would probably quickly throw that argument out.

What about TB? Airborne? Check. Contageous? Check. Does HR ask anyone if they have it, require proof of vaccination against it or a negative test? Nope. Why not?

What about chickenpox? Airborne, highly contageous, very deadly to people over 25. Why no mandatory disclosure for this one?

They don't know who has HIV/AIDS since it's illegal to ask. It should be the same for !covid!. Also again kids often don't social distance or follow hygiene protocols, so it makes sense for elementary schools and kindergarden/preschools. Starting middle school and high school though vaccination should not be required anymore.

mell says

They don't know who has HIV/AIDS since it's illegal to ask. It should be the same for !covid!. Also again kids often don't social distance or follow hygiene protocols, so it makes sense for elementary schools and kindergarden/preschools. Starting middle school and high school though vaccination should not be required anymore.

That's the problem with this all. They're making people that did normal, trialed and tested vaccines not trust even those now. I trust them, but this is going to create a massive anti-vax crowd. What was maybe 5% of the population before, may now turn into 10-15% anti-vax. Kids being home schooled. Bygone diseases coming back. The reaction to a flu bug has been insane considering who it is killing. It's nuts. No other way to put it.

mell says

They don't know who has HIV/AIDS since it's illegal to ask. It should be the same for !covid!.

If I learned anything from the countless mandatory training courses I was forced to take every year at every corporate job* is that they can't ask specifics about any disease. Can't ask specifics on why you're taking a sick day, can't ask what condition makes you request a "reasonable accommodation", etc.


*) Not in medical or food-related industries, these might be different.

Patrick says

I think there is truly a serious risk that all of your assets will be effectively confiscated by banks and brokerages with support from Biden's corrupt DOJ if you do not submit to the clot shot.

Hey, that was a pretty good prediction about Canada actually.

Might still happen here.

It is not wise to trust the banks any longer.

It's a good prediction about the NWO in general. (Here comes my favorite word) They'll use Bio-digital convergence tied into CBDC's to make this a reality for everyone. Comply, or be cut-off.

Why not apply all of this to obesity, not that I endorse applying it at all.

saw this online ....hope it helps if needed

IF YOUR EMPLOYER THREATENS YOU WITH FIRING for NOT accepting the experimental liability free gene therapy product being pushed as a “VACCINE” perhaps this is your best option:

DON’T REFUSE:

The secret is NOT to refuse the jab and do not sign anything!

Consider how you can adopt this Information from a lawyer: If you are being forced to Vax in order to keep your job, here’s a great way to handle it, called Conditional Acceptance.

The secret is NOT to refuse it.

“I write with regard to the matter of potential covid vaccine and my desire to be fully informed and appraised of ALL facts before going ahead with this medical procedure. I’d be most grateful if you could please provide the following information, in accordance with statutory legal requirements:

1. Can you please advise the approved legal status of any vaccine and if it is experimental?

2. Can you please provide details and assurances that the vaccine has been fully, independently and rigorously tested against control groups as well as the subsequent outcomes of those tests?

3. Can you please advise the entire list of contents of the vaccine I am to receive and if any are toxic to the body?

4. Can you please fully advise of all the adverse reactions associated with this vaccine since it’s introduction?

5. Can you please confirm that the vaccine you are advocating is NOT experimental mRNA gene altering therapy?

6. Can you please confirm that I will not be under any duress from yourselves as my employers, in compliance with the Nuremberg Code?

7. Can you please advise me of the likely risk of fatality, should I be unfortunate to contract Covid 19 and the likelihood of recovery?

8. Can you please advise me if the manufacturer will be held liable if I were to experience any adverse reactions after receiving the injection? If the manufacturer isn’t liable, will the company I’m currently employed with with be responsible and liable as it is at their request that I have the vaccine in order to carry on my employment?

Once I have received the above information in full and I am satisfied that there is NO threat to my health, I will be happy to accept your offer to receive the treatment, but with certain conditions – namely that:

1. You confirm in writing that I will suffer no harm.

2. Following acceptance of this, the offer must be signed by a fully qualified doctor who will take full legal and financial responsibility for any injuries occurring to myself, and/or from any interactions by authorized personnel regarding these procedures.

3. In the event that I should have to decline the offer of vaccination, please confirm that it will not compromise my position and that I will not suffer prejudice and discrimination as a result.

I would also advise that my inalienable rights are reserved.”

The point is that if they CANNOT provide that information you have NOT refused. The reality is that there are no government authorities who are willing or able to provide this information. The products are promoted as “safe and effective” yet there is no sold proof that this is the case.

This approach can be utilized with any shot your employer may want you to accept: Hepatitis B, annual Flu shots, etc. This approach can also be used for anyone ‘requiring’ any shots for your child for school, camp, travel, etc. Many have received religious exemptions, but Conditional Acceptance may offer stronger protection. You could possibly be fired or terminated, but if you have documented your interactions, you may have a legal case for wrongful dismissal.

Tell them to ask your doctor for that information, which is your medical history.

He can't disclose it to them.

Maybe they will give up.