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Fiat currency is not money, but it works like it, for now.

Bitcoin is not money, but people make fiat on it, for now.

Value is in the eye of the beholder. Are you willing to trade this for that?

People don't understand the value of real money. Things like cigarettes, chocolate, and bullets; real money.

I'm sure they edited out all the people that said, "Hell yeah I want the silver bar. The coin shop over there will give me a couple grand$".

WookieMan says

They know your location if you're using an app. 100%. Doesn't matter if you turn it "off" and pay cash. There is no "off" in phone apps and even computers. That's a feel good and you could never prove it was actually off. No way.

Which is why I said don't use an app..? Never mentioned turning anything off, that's all you. But yes, you can 100% guarantee something is off, just need the right level of control. For a cellphone you'd need something like Graphene OS. My laptop has HW shut-offs for speakers, mic, and wifi. But laptops have always been ahead due to amount of control easily available for those who choose to take it. Even when it comes to Windows OS, By using Pihole and running some powershell commands, I was able to neuter most of their data collection.

WookieMan says

Also, I'm not giving up, I'm realistic. Beating a dead horse here, but I've had to find property owners for a living. You're not hidden. Again, this is 100% fact. I'm done arguing it. You guys aren't some stealthy, special people using cash that is again 100% traceable. You have a SS card. You likely have a DL. You likely have a utility bill. A mortgage. Credit pull for rent. Your cash has a number on it no different than a credit card. Your face exist. You're living in la la land if you think you're being stealthy.

You start by saying you haven't given up, then proceed to tell everyone to give up. Make up your mind.
I don't own property. I use my social security almost never, because I don't live on credit. My DL doesn't have my real address. My utility bill doesn't have my real name. Again, no mortgage. Yes, they did pull my credit for rent, so as I've said before, if you're so right, should be easy to expose who I am. Feel free to.

WookieMan says

You guys do know the bank has the number for every bill you carry when you withdraw it? I'm talking the number on the bill. Unless you earn cash payment and don't use a bank, it's all tracked. Again 100%.

There isn't a single person on this forum, now or ever, who will be important enough to warrant that kind of tracking. That's like thinking they send a forensics team out for a stolen car.

WookieMan says

But if you buy goods and services there is no privacy no matter what you do.

My CSA's don't know who I am, pay with cash. My online purchases all use a fake name, and throw-away card. So do my utility bills.

You have an opinion, and a little experience, yet you parade yourself as an expert on the subject, seriously? Prove it, IDENTIFY ME. Should be trivial right? Until you can give us some concrete evidence, you have only theory. Don't be a Fauci, be a Malone.

RWSGFY says

Good point wrt utility bill: some water companies require a SSN (or ITIN) or "no soup for you".

Internet/cable was able to get around this by signing up for auto-pay, then cancelling right away. Electric I did give a social, but not mine, and not someone else's(there is another option).

@NuttBoxer what is this other option?

NuttBoxer says

My CSA's don't know who I am, pay with cash. My online purchases all use a fake name, and throw-away card. So do my utility bills.

You have an opinion, and a little experience, yet you parade yourself as an expert on the subject, seriously? Prove it, IDENTIFY ME. Should be trivial right? Until you can give us some concrete evidence, you have only theory. Don't be a Fauci, be a Malone.

Eh? He can't identify you, but you can't identify him either. Proves nothing.

There's a SS number that was created for a department store back in the 50's. It doesn't tie to any real person, and seems to fool most companies asking for it. DO NOT use with government, they will likely know it's a fake. But power companies aren't government. It's in Luna's book, and the book has a lot of other good tips and practical info, and it's pretty cheap. So I'd like to push some sales his way.

NuttBoxer says

It's in Luna's book

Thanks @NuttBoxer do you have a link to the book? I'm interested in buying it, preferably not from Amazon unless there are no other options.

Ah, this must be it:

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/22396.How_to_Be_Invisible

NuttBoxer says

Don't be a Fauci, be a Malone

They're both a little weaselly.

Onvacation says

NuttBoxer says

Don't be a Fauci, be a Malone

They're both a little weaselly.

I'd agree. I think we can all agree Covid was bull shit anyway. \\

NuttBoxer says

There's a SS number that was created for a department store back in the 50's. It doesn't tie to any real person, and seems to fool most companies asking for it. DO NOT use with government, they will likely know it's a fake. But power companies aren't government.

Flat out fraud either way. Play your games if it makes you feel good. Kind of a waste of time. Seems like you've put a lot into this. Unless you're doing illegal shit, it's a complete waste of time. Can make more in an hour than most can in a week, so I don't have time for shit like this. Good for you if you think it works. It doesn't.

NuttBoxer says

There's a SS number that was created for a department store back in the 50's. It doesn't tie to any real person, and seems to fool most companies asking for it. DO NOT use with government, they will likely know it's a fake. But power companies aren't government. It's in Luna's book, and the book has a lot of other good tips and practical info, and it's pretty cheap. So I'd like to push some sales his way.

oh whats the trick? im interested

NuttBoxer says

There's a SS number that was created for a department store back in the 50's. It doesn't tie to any real person, and seems to fool most companies asking for it. DO NOT use with government, they will likely know it's a fake. But power companies aren't government. It's in Luna's book, and the book has a lot of other good tips and practical info, and it's pretty cheap. So I'd like to push some sales his way.

What happens if there are TWO smartasses in the same water district and their db checks for duplicate ssns?

I called the credit card company and asked if I could buy a new car with the credit card. (Not to finance the purchase, - just to get the "cash back".)

Credit card company's answer: "Yes".

It was only after the purchase agreement was finalized that I told the dealer I'd be paying by credit card. They said the maximum I could apply to the purchase amount by credit card was $2500.

B.A.C.A.H. says

They said the maximum I could apply to the purchase amount by credit card was $2500.

Thanks, always good to hear what the real limits are.

Patrick says

Thanks @NuttBoxer do you have a link to the book? I'm interested in buying it, preferably not from Amazon unless there are no other options.

I've purchased from abebooks.com in the past. They specialize in used and rare books, decent service. And yes, the title is How to be Invisible. I think 2nd edition is most current. There are also lots of pdf's online, but I think it's worth a purchase. Focus is physical privacy however. Tech privacy gets very little attention, though there is a chapter devoted to it. Still, the concepts are foundational to any privacy vector you want to pursue.

WookieMan says

Good for you if you think it works. It doesn't. Blah blah blah, I'm too lazy to prove my easily provable point.

That last was added by me, but c'mon man. How can we take you seriously when you can't provide data on any of us, despite claiming how simple it is to do.

WookieMan says

Flat out fraud either way.

Nope. There are court cases backing our right to privacy. As long as the intent is not financial gain, but purely privacy.

RWSGFY says

What happens if there are TWO smartasses in the same water district and their db checks for duplicate ssns?

I'm fairly certain unique identifier for the table is going to be account number, not social. But I would guess you wouldn't get approved. I also had to send in a paystub to prove identity. But since everything is emailed, that was easy enough to update the name. OpenOffice Draw works great for pdf editing.

I do have SDGE, which I believe services all of SoCal. Find it hard to believe between SD and LA at least one other person isn't doing this.

NuttBoxer says

RWSGFY says

What happens if there are TWO smartasses in the same water district and their db checks for duplicate ssns?

I'm fairly certain unique identifier for the table is going to be account number, not social

Using social as a unique ID is frowned upon, true, but it doesn't mean data is not checked at the time of the new record's creation. Then there is all kind of "data cleanup" activities which regularly turn up all kinds of duplicates.

Eric Holder says

Using social as a unique ID is frowned upon, true, but it doesn't mean data is not checked at the time of the new record's creation.

Exactly. And it's still a crime to use someone else's SSN as has been implied

https://sites.google.com/realhumboldt.com/welcome-home/apply/applicants-faq/is-it-illegal-to-use-someone-elses-social-security-number (sorry, google)

You miss payments on an electric bill and it hurts someone else's credit because you used their SSN. Out the gate it's illegal if they're deceased and you're using it as well. Federal and likely most states. Honestly it's just a dick move to use someone else's SSN even if they agree and you paid them. You're taking advantage of someone else.

Just because there are books on it doesn't mean they're not profiteering either. AKA making shit up. You can ghost write all you want, to collect sales income from the book and be legal with the IRS they NEED your actual information. So writing a book about privacy is hypocritical from the word go. A non-fiction label means dick. It's a classic industry to extract money from people with no truth behind it.

And shit, didn't think of this. If you've got kids in public school they need proof of residency. Out of district residency fees are usually insane. My district it's $10k a kid if you "claim" you don't live where you do. We dealt with it and the principle was okay calling my nephew homeless after we explained the situation. If everything is linked to another location you'll be paying hefty out of district fees. You gonna make up your kids names too?

At some point the effort put into privacy is an exercise in diminishing returns. You're wasting your time and money.

WookieMan says

Exactly. And it's still a crime to use someone else's SSN as has been implied

More important, if you don't know who the social belongs to, you could draw unwanted attention by using one that belongs to someone who has a criminal record. But the SSN I mentioned does not belong to anyone.

The link provided brings up some good points, but they all pertain to credit situations, not privacy situations. You should pay cash whenever possible, which eliminates the need to ever give a social. In a situation I listed, it's about privacy. The utility company does not have the right to know who I am, especially because they will share that information without my consent. I am not giving them an alternative identity to avoid paying my bill, to gain additional discounts, or to otherwise defraud them in any way. I am not stealing anyone's identity, as the social I use was never issued to a real person.''

WookieMan says

to collect sales income from the book and be legal with the IRS they NEED your actual information.

Which is exactly what the author says to do. If you read the book, you'd see multiple places where he says not to break the law, and multiple places where he lists legal ways to maintaining your privacy. Seems like you could stand to do some research in this area, rather than arm-chair QB'ing.

WookieMan says

And shit, didn't think of this. If you've got kids in public school they need proof of residency.

Really? Because I did, way before we ever bought this book. Something everyone who lives in San Diego knows, is many of us really live in Tijuana. But in order to attend schools, and conduct business on the US side, they maintain a ghost address here in the US. It's usually the address of a relative, although it could also be a UPS box. When we briefly lived in Tijuana, we used both. But my daughters no longer attend public school, and never will again in this state.

Interested in the author's take? He agrees with you. He says if you're kids are in public school, you will have a very hard time maintaining privacy.

WookieMan says

You're wasting your time and money.

I've spent around $50 a year for years for a VPN. The book cost me less than $20. The mailbox I rent costs $30 a month. That's it. Time has definitely been the bigger investment initially, but as I've learned how to maintain privacy, it's become second nature.

You have no proof, only opinion, and without that, how you can expect anyone to take you seriously? I have proof it's working because I can't use most major internet services(paypal, amazon, linkedin), because I won't identify myself. I can't purchase online from Walmart, and in many cases, can't even access websites because of my VPN and pihole. My credit union recently started failing to resolve my DNS request because of the VPN. When a local music store needed to run my credit for an instrument rental, I had to give them my Arizona address for the check to succeed.

Seems lots of places don't know who I am. I'm not saying you couldn't find out, but it would cost you a PI fee, and hopefully one bigger than you'd be willing to spend. And that's the point. To make it enough of a hassle, that most people wanting to sue me, or do any other harm, will give up, and that the government, should I ever falsely be accused of a crime(happens ALL THE TIME), will be delayed enough that I can hire a good lawyer and be prepared to prove my innocence well before they ever get to me.

You know who my lifestyle of privacy is most in common with @WookieMan? LEO's. When I ask to protect privacy, that is the most common group schools, and other places associate me with. Because it's something LEO's have to do all the time. And they're not above the law, but just like me, they know privacy is not illegal.

International Standards Organization approves tracking of Firearms, Democrats continue to pressure Credit Card companies to report all firearm and ammo transactions.

https://archive.ph/8IXDx

AmericanKulak says

Democrats continue to pressure Credit Card companies to report all firearm and ammo transactions.

Because there's not a federal background check that's run every time you purchase a gun? If you don't want tracking, don't buy from a gun store.

There's supposed to be deletion from the Fed Background Check (we're finding - SHOCK - this isn't the case) after a period of time.

However, if Visa/MC/Amex keeps track, there is no law prohibiting them from keeping the info together.

I appreciate the sentiment, but laws under corrupt government are about as good as campaign promises. Only you can protect your privacy.

https://kanekoa.substack.com/p/central-bank-digital-currencies-are

Central Bank Digital Currencies are the Bullet Train to Digital Concentration Camps
“If you can move every human into a digital concentration camp, empty their bank account any time you want, and tell them what they can and cannot spend money on, you've got complete control."

https://rmx.news/article/over-500000-austrians-demand-right-to-cash-payments-be-added-to-countrys-constitution/

Over 500,000 Austrians demand ‘right to cash payments’ be added to country’s constitution
As central banks and globalist institutions rush to transition the world to digital currencies, Austrian citizens just delivered a huge grassroots rejection to ending cash

October 04, 2022

More than half a million Austrians have signed a petition calling for a referendum on the constitutional enshrining of the right to unlimited cash payments. In a country of 8.9 million, the massive show of support for the “right” to pay with cash demonstrates the growing movement against digital currencies promoted by central banks across the world and institutions like the World Economic Forum (WEF).

The deadline for submission of petitions regarding proposals for seven national referendums ended on Monday. As reported by the Austrian daily Kurier, the right to cash payments received the most support of seven different petitions, with 530,938 Austrians signing it.

Only petitions that receive the signatures of 100,000 citizens or more can force a debate in parliament on the topic. Given the overwhelming support behind the “right to cash” petition, there may be strong pressure to move forward with an effort to secure cash payments in the country.

How is that possible? The credit cards usually charge the merchant 1.5% to 3.5%.

jykiodfgr says

I get 5-7% cashback with my credit cards.

Besides the fees mentioned, they sell your data, which is already being hooked into a social credit system. Nothing is ever free.

personal

https://slaynews.com/news/wef-banker-eliminating-cash-gives-absolute-control-over-population/

A video has emerged of one of the world’s most powerful bankers boasting about plans to eliminate cash and gain “absolute control” over the global population through the use of digital money.

The video features Agustin Carstens, the General Manager of the Bank of International Settlements (BIS) and a World Economic Forum (WEF) member, discussing the “advantages” of a cashless society.

Carstens, who previously served as the Deputy Managing Director of the International Monetary Fund, issues a disturbing message about the future of the financial surveillance state and central banks’ plans to gain “absolute control” of everyone’s money.

The video initially surfaced in 2021 but has recently reemerged and gone viral in response to Democrat President Joe Biden’s push for digital cash.

The Biden Administration and other world governments have been advancing the development of Central Bank Digital Currencies (CBDCs).

The currencies are federally-issued but take the form of cryptocurrency.

CBDCs are being touted by global power elites as a means to usher in a cashless society.

Carstens boasts that by getting rid of cash and using CBDCs, governments and their financial oligarchs will be able to track purchases globally and see exactly who’s buying what.

They’ll also be able to fulfill their longtime goal of having “absolute control” over financial transactions, he adds.

“We don’t know who’s using a $100 bill today and we don’t know who’s using a 1,000 peso bill today,” the Mexican moneyman said, bemoaning the anonymity of cash.

“The key difference with the CBDC is the central bank will have absolute control on the rules and regulations that will determine the use of that expression of central bank liability,” Carstens said.

“And also we will have the technology to enforce that,” he added.

Carsten’s plans to seize control of the wallets of the world resemble those touted by Biden.

Earlier this year, the president signed an executive order to seize control of cryptocurrencies and lay the groundwork to turn America into a cashless society.

Under Biden’s order, the federal government will work to design a functioning, centralized cryptocurrency.

Just last month, Biden’s Federal Reserve Chair Jerome Powell announced that the government-led cryptocurrency ordered by Biden will “not be anonymous.”

Much like in the plans revealed by Carstens, transactions will be tracked under the Biden administration’s federal cryptocurrency.

Government agents will theoretically have knowledge of every item purchased by American citizens.

Aside from surveillance, concerns are mounting about how much control over a person’s finances such the system would allow.

Much like Big Tech companies shut down the accounts of users who “violate” their policies, a person could, in theory, lose access to their own money due to their political views.

Maybe people would think twice about questioning climate change or vaccine mandates if it means they will be blocked from buying food for their families.

It's Jabba The Hut.

That Jabba The Hut was in charge of the Mexico IRS when money laundering exploded in Mexico

https://www.lifesitenews.com/opinion/bidens-digital-currency-would-spell-the-death-of-freedom-in-america/